CCW holder killed reaching for ID.

[johnny karate]

There really isn't a difference between cops and felons then. It is your job to keep them calm and they have no responsibilty

I like how the police are now to be dealt with like vicious dogs.

Don't make any sudden moves. Don't assume a posture that could be interpreted as agressive. Don't express fear, they can sense that.

Failing any of that, and it's your fault if you get bit.

 

[Cain]

Rather than blaming the object/tool, everyone here should be condemning the people involved. Specifically black people.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Since you seem to be asserting your person belief as argument, I guess it's only fair to point out how consistently and profoundly wrong you've been in the past. Tax Day, and all...

How about waiting for evidence to shed light on this event.

Tax Day? WTF are you talking about?

The evidence is right there streaming live. You want evidence cops lie? Seriously?

 

[ponderingturtle]

I wonder how many cops get shot during stops like these .. I guess there are cases here and then, but I doubt it's as frighteningly high number ..

It is enough to generate a culture of fear in the police emphasizing the danger of these stops even if they are statistically not dangerous at all.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I wonder how many cops get shot during stops like these .. I guess there are cases here and then, but I doubt it's as frighteningly high number ..

So that means we should accept all the times they get it wrong and shoot innocent people?

 

[lobosrul]

I wonder how many cops get shot during stops like these .. I guess there are cases here and then, but I doubt it's as frighteningly high number ..

It happens. There was one around here about 5 or 6 years ago. I wonder if any of them took the time to announce they had a CCW first though? I rather strongly doubt it.

 

[lobosrul]

The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.

So if you have a CCW you must act precisely as the police want you to. Any deviation to this warrants an immediate execution. FFS.

 

[NoahFence]

Felons are more likely to go to jail if they shoot.

And apparently more likely to go to the morgue if they don't.

 

[ponderingturtle]

So if you have a CCW you must act precisely as the police want you to. Any deviation to this warrants an immediate execution. FFS.

Only gun grabbers and cops find the mere presence of someone having a gun threatening causing them to react in fear though.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It is enough to generate a culture of fear in the police emphasizing the danger of these stops even if they are statistically not dangerous at all.

Good point, there is a denominator here.

It's also worth pointing out the number of these cases with black men being killed by the cops after stops or arrests for the most minor things is looking very disproportional.

 

[NoahFence]

I have never, once, seen someone give an honest summary of one of these cases. So perhaps you will name and link to the case, and we can assess if the facts fit your depiction.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/

 

[The Don]

My third sentence.

If he told the cop after there is a risk that the cop might glimpse it and shoot.

Did he have a chance to tell the cop before ? (bearing in mine that any failure to comply immediately with the request for ID may also get him shot)

 

[3point14]

bearing in mine that any failure to comply immediately with the request for ID may also get him shot

There's a brilliant catch 22 there.

Don't reach for your ID/CC permit = disobeying a cop = Shot

Reach for the permit = He was reaching for a gun = Shot.

 

[Mumbles]

There's a brilliant catch 22 there.

Don't reach for your ID/CC permit = disobeying a cop = Shot

Reach for the permit = He was reaching for a gun = Shot.

Well, as we've been told, the rule is "don't do whatever it is you were doing. I don't actually know what it was, but don't have a weapon/drive a car/be near a toy gun/have a wallet/wear a hoodie/whatever incidental thing."

The overall rule here is "don't be black", as we've seen for quite some time now. Too bad it's an impossible request for some of us.

 

[sylvan8798]

He was the passenger. And the story is that he did inform the officer of his CCW status and being armed.

The mistake here was CCW while black.

He's in the driver's seat. Somehow the video is flipped left to right, I think?

 

[paulhutch]

You don't know this.

I'm simply going by this direct quote from the article linked in the OP:

Reynolds says to her Facebook viewers that Castile was licensed to carry a weapon and told the officer he had a firearm as he reached for his wallet and ID.

I have not watched the video, I'm simply going by the article quoting the girlfriend. If she was wrong, or misquoted and he was not reaching in his pockets/glove-box at the time he said he had a gun then of course my comment does not apply.

I think I heard her say the exact quoted words on NPR this morning but hey if there's any evidence she was misquoted or wrong I'd like to see it.

 

[SteveL]

He's in the driver's seat. Somehow the video is flipped left to right, I think?

It's on a UK website. Maybe they flipped the video/pics so it would make sense to their targeted viewers?

 

[lobosrul]

It's on a UK website. Maybe they flipped the video/pics so it would make sense to their targeted viewers?

The article says something about her recording from the front facing camera and that flips everything.

 

[Blaster]

So if you have a CCW you must act precisely as the police want you to. Any deviation to this warrants an immediate execution. FFS.

I would say yes, you should probably cooperate and act precisely as the police want you to when you have a firearm in your possession, legally or otherwise.

Having a CCW doesn't excuse you from being responsible for both parties.

That said, if what is quoted as having happened is what did happen, that he announced his CCW as he was reaching for his wallet/ID, then the officer most likely could not process the situation in time and fired out of panic after hearing the word 'gun'. If so then this is extremely poor training (or handling) and the officer should face at a minimum manslaughter charges, the dept should be fined, and a mandatory retraining program should be forced on all officers in the district.

Even if the cop is hysterical in the video, it doesn't excuse any potential negligence on the drivers part that would have lead up to this happening.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

If so then this is extremely poor training (or handling) and the officer should face at a minimum manslaughter charges, the dept should be fined, and a mandatory retraining program should be forced on all officers in the district.

But what he'll get is paid administrative leave until the issue blows over.

What you suggest doesn't even happen when cops kill someone in cold blood. The issue is always "complex," and we need to "gather all the information," then press conferences are issued about how "mistakes were made," possibly "of a racial nature," and everyone involved keeps mumbling until the spotlight moves on.