CCW holder killed reaching for ID.

... and I thought the situation after the incident in Baton Rouge was gonna be bad. This one hits much closer to home.
 
Sideroxylon said:
I'd like to think I would be clearly narrating my intentions to provide aid and to hell with the consequences.
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The boyfriend allegedly did something similar and it got him shot. And with the officer knowing that the boyfriend had a gun, and the girlfriend reaching toward her boyfriend, the officer, in his apparent mental state, would almost certainly interpret the action as her reaching for the weapon.

She'd be dead, too, and there would be no one to provide the other side of the story.
 
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Just a few points. You are a young black man, with a CCW, driving around with a "busted taillight".

This is likely not the best idea to start with.

Upon being stopped, you'd think the lad would have kept his hands on the steering wheel, told the police officer clearly that he was a CCW permit holder, and that he was armed.... And asked for directions.

We get the impression that he was fishing for his wallet and perhaps the officer saw the pistol? That's not clear.
 
paulhutch said:
From the linked articel:


Bad idea, telling a cop at a stop that you have a gun while you are reaching for something the cop can't see. A more experienced cop would likely have told him to stop reaching and get out of the car. It's far safer to tell the cop either before or after, but not while, reaching for your ID.
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Many jurisdictions require licensed concealed carriers to immediately inform any LEO they're involved with that they are carrying and provide their carry license to the officer.
 
Bikewer said:
Just a few points. You are a young black man, with a CCW, driving around with a "busted taillight".

This is likely not the best idea to start with.

Upon being stopped, you'd think the lad would have kept his hands on the steering wheel, told the police officer clearly that he was a CCW permit holder, and that he was armed.... And asked for directions.

We get the impression that he was fishing for his wallet and perhaps the officer saw the pistol? That's not clear.
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He was the passenger. And the story is that he did inform the officer of his CCW status and being armed.

The mistake here was CCW while black.
 
The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.
 
AdamSK said:
The cop told him not to reach for anything. He reached for something. He got shot. No sympathy.
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Contempt of cop clearly deserving a death sentence. Here I thought people legally carrying guns were not threatening, so why the high stress? It is almost as if he found the CCW permit by a black man inherently threatening.
 
Too many potential fuses for the situation to go horribly bad VERY quickly: Black guy, CCW, armed, jumpy cop also armed, car stop situation...

...and it did go wrong.

Heck, I'm NEVER going to hire a car again in the USA if this is how they issue tail-light tickets!
 
Aepervius said:
I wonder if people asking for more gun in the hand of the population, realize that it will make such incident with cops far more often. Let me guess they will ask for more training for the cops.
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You assume by "population", they include black people.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
The boyfriend allegedly did something similar and it got him shot. And with the officer knowing that the boyfriend had a gun, and the girlfriend reaching toward her boyfriend, the officer, in his apparent mental state, would almost certainly interpret the action as her reaching for the weapon.

She'd be dead, too, and there would be no one to provide the other side of the story.
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Exactly.

SteveL said:
Here is some advice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT-nePQuT-s

ETA:
Also, Chris Rock's video (start wathcing at the 2 minute mark) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
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Folks are still passing around that Chris Rock routine as if it were serious?

Personally, I'm wondering if the cop's immediate story - before he saw the video - is on record. I don't look forward to yet another story about how the black guy was glaring and menacing like some sort of rabid animal, nor the people who will swear that this must be the absolute truth, but I have a rim curiosity to know what the hell he was thinking.

I also expect the NRA to say little or nothing.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Vlogging the drama is a priority over first aid these days.
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What's that supposed to mean? The cop tells her to keep her hands visible, he's still holding the gun in the window, he's clearly hysterical.

What is she supposed to do?

And thank goodness she was live streaming because they confiscated her phone.
 
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