carlson test and debunking randi

idunno said:
the two males are gay or bisexual. The others I need birthtime, but im not sure if i can tell if a woman is Bi or not. I have no experince with leasbians. If you can send only males with birthtime.
:)
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Why on earth should it matter if you have had experience with lesbians or not? Isn't the whole point of astrology that you can read this information from their charts? It sounds to me like you are looking for yet another excuse as to why your predictions fail.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
We will leave the females out since you are not sure you can tell with them. Will the birthtime make a big difference with the males? I only know the approximate time of day for one of them, and the other I don't know at all. I can probably find out, but it will take some time.
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if there is a combo between hour and day pillar they may be gay thats why i need birthtime. In this case i didnt needit cause they have day-month combos.Thanks:)

Note that this combo can mean:
- they love power
- or they love men, as power represents status, power, and males amongst other things
 
Hokulele said:
Why on earth should it matter if you have had experience with lesbians or not? Isn't the whole point of astrology that you can read this information from their charts? It sounds to me like you are looking for yet another excuse as to why your predictions fail.
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theoretically a woman whiose self combines with same gender element could be lesbian but i never came across one with such combo.:D
 
idunno said:
both, but i dont claim to get it right with females. but i dont mind trying
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Sorry, that answer wasn't very clear to me. I am disregarding the females since you are unsure of whether you can predict for them. Do you still need time of birth for the males, or would it make no difference?
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Sorry, that answer wasn't very clear to me. I am disregarding the females since you are unsure of whether you can predict for them. Do you still need time of birth for the males, or would it make no difference?
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I do bacause the combo may be in hour pillar;)
 
Ok, you will have to wait some time then and I will try to get the info.
I should have done this before, but is there someone I can PM with the info before idunno gives his final decision?
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Ok, you will have to wait some time then and I will try to get the info.
I should have done this before, but is there someone I can PM with the info before idunno gives his final decision?
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For female charts you have you have to wait a few hours as I want to ask my teacher about them. He is still sleeping in Toronto.:)
 
since most of you are very logical and chinese astrology is very logic maybe you want to test it yourself after reading some books, in case you dont wish to pay 500 bucks or more for a course.
good books are «idiots guide to fengshui» by joseph yu and the two Bazi books by joey yap you can get at www.joeyyap.com
You can also learn at fourpillars-fengshui@yahoogroups.com or in forums at www.wofs.com or www.masteryacademy.com

recently i came across Moahmed Atta`s chart.

It is know that «indirect powrr» in a chart can make the person evil if there is no «measured output» to control it. «measured output» is the deity our self produces, like wood producing fire, fire-earth earth-metal. metal-water, and water-wood.

Atta is wood and there is no fire in his chart to control the very strong «indirect power» in metal.

day month year
yang wood yang metal yang earth
Dog(earth) monkey(metal) monkey(metal)

1 sept 1968

i dont know the hour pillar, but i doubt he has fire there.
this is just an example. other lads with a similar chart are John Wayne Gacy and Ted Bundy.
A lot of crime could be prevented if peoples charts were known
 
idunno said:
of course i do. I dont even know they existed at all.:cool:
I only get negative results here.Isnt that weird?
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What I find weird is that, when you started off, you were an total advocate of one method (traditional) ... and when you got nowhere with that, then you flippantly switched to another method (chinese), and then additional tweaks (e.g. hour sign). Then when you still get nowhere - you accuse others of lying.

You have no proof that these trials have been anything other than fair. You are choosing to ignore the results of these trials when you don't like them.

You cannot provide details of any independent and well-controlled trial along the lines of those outlined in this thread - yet you don't question why your methods consistently fail to actually work in the real world (rather than in your fantasy world).

So, why are you actually here? More to the point, why should we bother with you?

I suggest that you scuttle off and try to honestly and fairly re-conduct these tests following their protocols are closely as possible with people you actually trust and then come back to us and report honestly on your results.

Of course we can then glibly call you a liar if we choose (if you don't mind us treating you as you are treating us).
 
kieran said:
What I find weird is that, when you started off, you were an total advocate of one method (traditional) ... and when you got nowhere with that, then you flippantly switched to another method (chinese), and then additional tweaks (e.g. hour sign). Then when you still get nowhere - you accuse others of lying.

You have no proof that these trials have been anything other than fair. You are choosing to ignore the results of these trials when you don't like them.

You cannot provide details of any independent and well-controlled trial along the lines of those outlined in this thread - yet you don't question why your methods consistently fail to actually work in the real world (rather than in your fantasy world).

So, why are you actually here? More to the point, why should we bother with you?

I suggest that you scuttle off and try to honestly and fairly re-conduct these tests following their protocols are closely as possible with people you actually trust and then come back to us and report honestly on your results.

Of course we can then glibly call you a liar if we choose (if you don't mind us treating you as you are treating us).
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i always said i use both chinese and western.
i could argue i have no proof the trials are fair. I only bother to take up the tests because i dont really care about the results.
The fact that you take so long to tell me the results about the two males also leave suspicious:)
The fact that Artwollilot was honest leaves me hopeful
 
Hokulele said:
No, you don't. You copy and paste from websites, and have no idea if the charts you are consulting have any level of accuracy at all.
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no some of the interpretations are from sites others from me. Chinese charts are normally my own interpretation except when i need help from teachers
 
It was me, not kieran who was testing you with the 2 males. And I am only taking so long because you need information that I don't have, and the people I need to ask are on holiday at the moment.

I could tell you the results of your prediction bases only on date of birth, but if you were wrong, you would just then argue that it is because you didn't have time of birth. So I am waiting till I get all the information you require and allowing you to make your most accurate prediction before revealing the answer.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
It was me, not kieran who was testing you with the 2 males. And I am only taking so long because you need information that I don't have, and the people I need to ask are on holiday at the moment.

I could tell you the results of your prediction bases only on date of birth, but if you were wrong, you would just then argue that it is because you didn't have time of birth. So I am waiting till I get all the information you require and allowing you to make your most accurate prediction before revealing the answer.
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in their case i dont need birthtime cause the gay signs are in the month pillar
 
Do you actually read what people ask you? I directly asked you to clarify if you needed the birth times for the males, and you said "I do".

Anyway, you were 100% wrong. Both the males (my brothers) are heterosexual. They have no reason to hide their sexuality since none of our family would give a toss if they were gay and both have groups of friends who have no problem with homosexuality and include some gay people.

Neither of them "love power" either. They are both very laid back and not eager to be in powerful positions.
 
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