carlson test and debunking randi

Complexity said:
You know, idunno, your choice of avatar (the little kid) is the one intelligent thing you've done.

I keep overlooking foolishness, superstition, discourtesy, and bigotry because, in the back of my head, I keep thinking that you're a little kid.

You're not.

You're enough of an adult to be held to greater expectations, regardless of how childlishly you behave.

You owe everyone here an apology.
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i see a lot of name calling in this forum. Why should I apologize?:p

Your photo doersnt help your cause because it makes you look like a cynical idiot
 
idunno said:
The Boston Phoenix ran an article...
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I notice that the page you copied and pasted that lot from was headed, under "Astrology News from EQUINOX", "Only a few astrologers forecast Sept 11".


Why do you think "only a few" astrologers managed to forecast it (even in terms as vague as those quoted there)?
 
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Mojo said:
I notice that the page you copied and pasted that lot from was headed, under "Astrology News from EQUINOX", "Only a few astrologers forecast Sept 11".


Why do you think "only a few" astrologers managed to forecast it (even in terms as vague as those quoted there)?
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im not surprised since rob Hand is one of the most famous. I said before only about 10% astrologers are not frauds.This is because Astrology is not a regulated prerofession. But what do you think about the fact objects can influence one another at long distances?
Skeptics used to claim astrology is crap because objects could not influence people aat such distance. But you are the masters of rethoric:boxedin:
 
idunno said:
But what do you think about the fact objects can influence one another at long distances?
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I think they're going to be swamped by objects influencing one another at shorter distances. The midwife is going to exert far more gravitational attraction on a child at birth than any planet. Check out the inverse square law.

Do different characters develop as a result of, for example, which side of the bed the father is on (if he attends the birth)?

And BTW, I hate to break this to you, but quantum effects only operate on the quantum scale.
 
idunno said:
im not surprised since rob Hand is one of the most famous. I said before only about 10% astrologers are not frauds.
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Isn't it more likely that the reason the 3 astrologers mentioned (rather less than 10% of astrologers, unless there are only 30 astrologers worldwide) said something vaguely relevant to the attacks is that they, out of all the thousands of astrologers, just happened to get lucky on this occasion?
 
Mojo said:
I think they're going to be swamped by objects influencing one another at shorter distances. The midwife is going to exert far more gravitational attraction on a child at birth than any planet. Check out the inverse square law.

Do different characters develop as a result of, for example, which side of the bed the father is on (if he attends the birth)?

And BTW, I hate to break this to you, but quantum effects only operate on the quantum scale.
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maybe. ill ask Rob Hand about that. But I suspect everyone, skeptics and astrologers are masters of rethoric. The last one to talk is usually the winner. Thats one of the laws of rethorics. See the argument betwen astrologer Dennis Elwell and the skeptics at www.astrology-and-science.com
its a never ending argument:boxedin:
 
idunno said:
maybe. ill ask Rob Hand about that. But I suspect everyone, skeptics and astrologers are masters of rethoric.
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It's not a question of "rhetoric"; what has shown your astrology doesn't work is the evidence in this thread.
 
These are birthdata for homosexual from astrodatabank file:-)
I also have collected a few charts of this category.
See if you can see the pattern.

30/08/1945 15:50 EWT
06/09/1945 3:43 MST
07/09/1945 0:04 EWT
08/09/1945 12:24 EWT
10/09/1945 1:15 CST
21/09/1945 1:36 EWT
22/09/1945 21:00 PWT
27/09/1945 6:03 PWT
01/10/1945 11:03 EST
04/10/1945 8:15 EST
09/10/1945 0:32 EST
09/10/1945 6:20 EST
13/10/1945 9:00 MET
02/11/1945 10:50 CST
03/11/1945 7:00 CST
17/11/1945 19:37 CST
22/12/1945 9:10 EST
03/01/1946 10:10 CST
04/01/1946 7:15 EST
07/01/1946 5:15 EST
07/01/1946 8:45 PST
08/01/1946 0:49 PST
16/01/1946 5:49 PST
22/01/1946 19:52 PST
29/01/1946 10:15 CST
11/02/1946 1:10 EST
17/02/1946 8:30 CST

Peter Leung

www.fengshuisos.com

I just got this from my teacher. Ilkl see if there is a pattern
 
idunno said:
These are birthdata for homosexual from astrodatabank file:-)
I also have collected a few charts of this category.
See if you can see the pattern.

30/08/1945 15:50 EWT
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17/02/1946 8:30 CST

Peter Leung

www.fengshuisos.com

I just got this from my teacher. Ilkl see if there is a pattern
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What will this pointless exercise achieve? :rolleyes:

You already know that they are homosexuals as that is how you chose your sample. No doubt you will soon happily announce a pattern in that sample that would have let you predict that they were all homosexuals. But I thought you had already studied astrology and therefore you already knew this pattern (astrological sign/chart/whatever). Even if you are a novice, you should be able to point to the teachings of an experienced astrologer that states this pattern that claim to be looking for. Remember that you have already used your pre-existing astrology for sexuality prediction and it has failed you. Don't you think there is something worth thinking about in that?

  • Either
    You are saying that you are just starting to look for these patterns and that astrology doesn't know them yet. If that is the case, then what have astrologists been doing up to now? :confused:​
  • Or ...
    Your "teacher" is just setting you an exercise so that you can learn astrology in principle, rather than by rote, but then both you and the "teacher" should be able to come up with the same pattern independently, and this pattern should be able to be used with reasonable accuracy in prediction, not just pattern matching. Have you conducted any tests on the predictive power of your "teacher"? How do you know if this person is in the "less than 10% of accurate astrologers" that you refered to before? How would you test an astrologer to see if they weren't just making up mumbo-jumbo?​

You appear to be operating under the premise that astrology works even though you can't actually show it in the real world. Why is that? :covereyes

I'm currently operating under the premise that astrology doesn't work - I think that is justified as no-one has ever shown me it actually working, i.e. predicting something with an accuracy of greater than chance. The standard use of "vague terms" and post-hoc "pattern matching", and the complete "miss"-amnesia and "hit"-frenzy, just serve to exaggerate the failures that have been repeatedly demonstrated to me. You appear to be continuing a long and quite un-distinguished line ... :boggled:
 
idunno said:
i see a lot of name calling in this forum. Why should I apologize?:p
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Maybe to show that you accept that name calling is not to be condoned as acceptable. Maybe to show that you are better than those that resort to such pathetic arguments. Maybe to set an example. Maybe to show that you have grown up since that photo was taken. There are lots of reasons ...

(Feel free to resort to the tit-for-tat argument of "he started it first" if you haven't actually grown up since the picture ...)

idunno said:
Your photo doersnt help your cause because it makes you look like a cynical idiot
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... and mine makes me look like a cartoon of a priest ... however, continuing slinging the names around under the guise of "avatar description" doesn't help and only shows that you have nothing constructive to say. :rolleyes:

Please stick to the point and critize the arguments, not the poster ...
 
idunno said:
The fact that Artwollilot was honest leaves me hopeful
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Actually, I have a feeling that you have misunderstood my statement. I said that I'm bisexual, but I haven't met the right man yet. So functionally and practically I am heterosexual. I sleep with women, I look at pictures of naked women on the internet, and I don't aspire to have a sexual relationship with any man I have so far met - although I would not be adverse to it if I did happen to meet the right man.

My statement is both a way of trying to be a bit funny (although it spoils the joke if I have to explain it) and an indication to others that I harbour no prejudices, fears or resentment towards homosexuals. So kind of a joke with a serious point.

But for all intents and purposes, hetero.

There was actually a group I heard about once that I wanted to join - Heterosexuals Unafraid of Gays - HUG. Anyone heard of it?
 
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idunno said:
if astrology was about prediction we would be done for.
If its raining outside you can choose to go out and get wet or stay home. Same for Astrology. It shows trends.
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Trends are also predictions, just with a probability added. It can still be tested for. And it fails every time.

Or can you tell us what astrology can offer that cannot be tested for (but is still useful).
 
Complexity said:
We try to learn from our mistakes.

Wish you would, too.

Dumb and/or fraud... I haven't decided, yet.
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Oh, most certianly fraud. He's failed to prove his claims in any way, makes excuses when he fails, accesses everyone of being dishonest, and the list goes on.

He’s a fraud, no other way to put it.
 
OK, I'll take another try at this. Idunno, you do not know anything about astrology. I had asked you earlier what type of coordinates you use, and you appeared to completely misunderstand the question. So, without linking to any other website, please tell me what the major difference is between tropic and sidereal coordinates, and why an astrologer would care.

For everyone else, this whole "astrology can predict personality traits" is bunk. (Well, everything about astrology is bunk, but this is pure, unadulterated, made-up nonsense.) Although I do not believe it does work, the way it is supposed to work is to calculate "auspicious" dates for events. So a true Randi-style test for astrology would be to get birth information for a number of people, and calculate what would be the best and worst dates to play the lottery. Have people buy a ticket on each of their days, and see if there really is a difference in outcomes. For this to be done properly according to the rules of astrology, you would need the birth day and hour (and time zone), as the inner planets really do move that fast. The minute would generally not be necessary, unless there is a major cusp involved.

I have studied astrology and cast charts in the past, not as any profit-making or entertainment enterprise, but as a part of a study of the history of astronomy. I also know how to make an astrolabe. :)
 
arthwollipot said:
Actually, I have a feeling that you have misunderstood my statement. I said that I'm bisexual, but I haven't met the right man yet. So functionally and practically I am heterosexual. I sleep with women, I look at pictures of naked women on the internet, and I don't aspire to have a sexual relationship with any man I have so far met - although I would not be adverse to it if I did happen to meet the right man.

My statement is both a way of trying to be a bit funny (although it spoils the joke if I have to explain it) and an indication to others that I harbour no prejudices, fears or resentment towards homosexuals. So kind of a joke with a serious point.

But for all intents and purposes, hetero.

There was actually a group I heard about once that I wanted to join - Heterosexuals Unafraid of Gays - HUG. Anyone heard of it?
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