Can this qualify as a challenge?

[Moochie]

As PC has provided earlier in the thread, her "predictions" were in newspapers over 20 years ago and PC read about her in 1984, so I don't think we should assume that she is totally isolated as far as current news is concerned. Additionally, PC stated that he spoke to the "medium" in the Philippines from Australia - one can only presume by telephone - so again, I don't believe we should assume that the "medium" is not aware of world events at the moment nor in the past 20 years.

M.

 

[EHocking]

 

[vIQleS]

Yes, the spirit did not say when the prophecies will happen. For example, the human babies with three eyes, human being giving birth to kitten, and cat giving birth to human being were revealed in early 1990s. More than a decade has already passed and I have not known of their fulfilment--yet. But I still believe that one day, they will be fulfilled.

This belief is not rational. To believe in miracles without proof is wrong.

I used to believe in the possibility of miracles - because the bible said so. Then I joined this board and I realized that I had never personally witnessed a miracle. After some serious 'soul'-searching I changed my world view, it didn't hurt much, and you can too if you take a step back and look closely at what you're saying and believing.

 

[Ocelot]

Dear Ocelot and Fellow Forumers,

Thank you very much for your digging. They are informative. I have visited the linked websites you cited.

Three-eyed babies
I really did not know that there are already cases of three-eyed babies. I believe what the spirit meant is that these human babies (plural) will be born in any part of the world which have not even been affected by any chemical spill, such as in Bhopal, India. You may say that it is POSTdiction and not PREdiction but how about it they happen one after another, maybe months or a year apart? Or not caused by any chemical contamination that may attribute to mutation?

Oh yes three eyed babies abound. The Bhopal Disaster was 1984. Your expactations seem to suggest that this would not count as it involved a chemical leak. I am curious as to when this particular prediction was made. I was under the impression that this didn't count for a more significant reason: that the prediction was made after the event.

Could you please clarify?

Also you do confirm that the abby should be human and infact there should be multiple babies (a point I hadn't picked up on) however can you clarify on these other points...

Must all eyes be functional?

You say the baby will be born. Would that include being delivered by ceasarian?

Would a stillborn baby fullfill the prediction?

And then I will see what I can find.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Fellow Forumers,

No, it wasn't.

Can you back this up with numbers? When has "god" started? Where exactly? By how much did this allegedly caring entity already "reduce" the population?

Because it looks to me like it's still growing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_the_earth

You are right. I agree that it seems that overall, the population of the world is still increasing. But there are countries where their population is declining due to more deaths than births. What are the causes of death? AIDS is one of them. Many young people are dying leaving many orphans behind. Another is war. How many Rwandans die in the genocide in the 1980s?

But the population will drastically be reduced when the nuclear bombs start to explode. Many will not even know what hit them. Have we not learned the lesson of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,

What if the baby had two heads? That's four eyes. How awesome would that be?

Two heads with normal body. One torso, two hands, two feet. The two heads give four eyes. Is this birth natural?

Did you know that a few days ago, it was announced on TV that a baby was born in central Philippines with two heads?

I also got a clipping of a newspaper article about a baby boy born in the province of Cavite, Philippines, some 30 km southwest of Manila, with two heads. What makes this amazing is that one head has the normal complexion of the body but the other head was like that of a black baby boy--curly hair, dark color, round eyes, thick lips, etc.

I believe that the human babies prophesied to be born with three eyes may have normal features except that there is an extra eye. I do not know where it would be located but I assume that it would be in the forehead. I believe that all eyes will be functional.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Colin and Fellow Forumers,

PC, it’s been pointed out repeatedly that these “prophecies” are way too vague. Twisting and torturing a past event in order to make it appear to fulfill a prophecy is very creative of you and it’s very nice of you to help the “spirit” (Mrs. Alvaran) fill in the blanks, but it’s completely useless as far as convincing skeptical people.
And saying something will happen between now and the next half a million years is equally useless.

Please pick one prophecy, preferably the one that will happen the soonest, and give us specifics on the event, place, date, and time.
That may be eligible for the MDC.

When I found this site, I raised the question if the birth and death of Jesus would qualify for the Challenge. The spirit revealed the birth of Jesus to be on May 23 and His death, on August 17. Why do you think the spirit would give such dates? Wasn't it better for Him to maintain the status quo? Those dates are unlikely from the traditional dates. What if it was found that He was wrong? Would not people reject all that He said?

In my case, from 1983 when I first heard this until early 2000, I just said that the dates were revealed by a holy spirit. I did not know how it could be proven that they are correct. The spirit did not explain how He came up with such dates. When we connected to the Internet in 1999, that was the only time that I had the interest to research on the veracity of the dates when no one was able to help me even by Bible scholars, calendar experts, Jewish experts. The results of my research are found in my website. I found them to be correct. Had I proven them wrong, I would have withdrawn my belief in the spirit.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Fellow Forumers,



You are right. I agree that it seems that overall, the population of the world is still increasing. But there are countries where their population is declining due to more deaths than births. What are the causes of death? AIDS is one of them. Many young people are dying leaving many orphans behind. Another is war. How many Rwandans die in the genocide in the 1980s?

But the population will drastically be reduced when the nuclear bombs start to explode. Many will not even know what hit them. Have we not learned the lesson of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Your original statement was:

...
Now, God has started to reduce the population. I see this in AIDS and in wars and genocide.
...

War and genocide seems pretty much manmade. An accomplishment of development - or the lack thereof.

Diseases seem to have their origin in a natural development.

Again, no need for divine intervention as an explanation. No evidence, either. If you want to convince people, you will have to do much, much better.



On a different, yet repeating note: A prophecy includes at least three specifica.

1. Date
2. Location
3, Type of event.

Lacking of one of the three is called guessing.

 

[Jackalgirl]

...I believe that the human babies prophesied to be born with three eyes may have normal features except that there is an extra eye. I do not know where it would be located but I assume that it would be in the forehead. I believe that all eyes will be functional.

PC, once again, you say "I believe..."

You are interpreting.

Once again, any Challenge-worthy prophesy will be specific and detailed enough so as to require no interpretation, explanation, or clarification.

None of the prophesies you have presented are Challenge-worthy. Presenting and changing your own interpretations over and over and over again will not make any of them Challenge-worthy.

If you want to make prophesies of your own, that's another thing, since you know what the requirements are. But please don't bother trying to come up with some kind of specific "version" of the medium's prophesies -- if it doesn't come true, all it proves it that you were wrong, and that's not the point.

Please do not post in the Challenge Forum unless you have something Challenge-worthy.

If you want to discuss the medium's prophesies, and/or if you want to try to convince members of the JREF Forum that they are real, would you please go over and start a new thread in the Religion and Philosophy Forum?

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I think this thread is stuck in a rut. In an infinite loop. It needs to die. It needs kittens.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,

Yes, God gave you an obsession with numerology and not enough smarts to figure out that it is just chance.

PS: This is just an observation and not a personal attack.

The registration plate number I received in 2003 for our Holden Apollo was 240 ICD. For the commuter car I bought in 2006, its registration plate was 486 IDE. Why do you think that I am obsessed with numerology? I do not even know the significance of 240 or 486.

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee". A few days later after I got the plate number, a Roman Catholic priest told me that ICD stands for the Latin Iesus Christus Dominus meaning Jesus Christ Lord. After another few days, I found out that instead of Dominus, the Latin word Deus is more appropriate--Iesus Christus Deus--meaning Jesus Christ God.

IDE stands for "I Thee Echo". Is it a coincidence that the second-hand economy car I bought last year (August 2006) is a Toyota Echo?

Are all these coincidence?

After I discovered IDE, I added Echo to my signature--for that is what I am--just a sounding board of what the spirit revealed.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Jackalgirl]

...The registration plate number I received in 2003 for our Holden Apollo was 240 ICD. For the commuter car I bought in 2006, its registration plate was 486 IDE. Why do you think that I am obsessed with numerology? I do not even know the significance of 240 or 486.

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee". A few days later after I got the plate number, a Roman Catholic priest told me that ICD stands for the Latin Iesus Christus Dominus meaning Jesus Christ Lord. After another few days, I found out that instead of Dominus, the Latin word Deus is more appropriate--Iesus Christus Deus--meaning Jesus Christ God.

IDE stands for "I Thee Echo". Is it a coincidence that the second-hand economy car I bought last year (August 2006) is a Toyota Echo?

Are all these coincidence?

No, they're all excellent examples of humanity's finely-honed instinct for pattern-seeking, in combination with the "counting the hits, ignoring the misses" phenomenon. And, again, not Challenge-worthy, so therefore they don't belong in this particular Forum.

We spend about four pages or more (EACH) talking about Christ's dates (and why they're not Challenge-worthy), pattern-seekiness in the form of things like "GOTACURAL" supposedly meaning "AIDS" (and why it's not Challenge-worthy), vague prophesies (and why they're not Challenge-worthy), and now we're back to Christ's dates and pattern-seekiness. Notice a trend? I'm drowning in the repetition!



P.S. Hat-tip to Lisa for pointing out the ROFLcat site.

 

[Klaymore]

Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,



The registration plate number I received in 2003 for our Holden Apollo was 240 ICD. For the commuter car I bought in 2006, its registration plate was 486 IDE. Why do you think that I am obsessed with numerology? I do not even know the significance of 240 or 486.

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee". A few days later after I got the plate number, a Roman Catholic priest told me that ICD stands for the Latin Iesus Christus Dominus meaning Jesus Christ Lord. After another few days, I found out that instead of Dominus, the Latin word Deus is more appropriate--Iesus Christus Deus--meaning Jesus Christ God.

IDE stands for "I Thee Echo". Is it a coincidence that the second-hand economy car I bought last year (August 2006) is a Toyota Echo?

Are all these coincidence?

After I discovered IDE, I added Echo to my signature--for that is what I am--just a sounding board of what the spirit revealed.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

God Damn...

I was actually on board with PC for about 20 seconds there. I was reading Moochie's posts and thinking, "Man, that Moochie is being too hard on this guy... this guy took the test. Moochie should back off and be nice..."

Then I kept reading, and PC is just right back to going on and on and on and on and on and on, doing the same crap he's been doing ever since he first started posting.

I will give him one little tiny bit of credit for coming back and posting his inane conversation with the obviously fake whatshername. I will then take back all of that credit, and more, for his continuing to carry on in the face of all evidence that his claim is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

Moochie, I am sorry I thought you were butthole. You seem to be the only one who was onto this incredible lame from the get go...

 

[Psiload]

Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,
Have I mentioned the wonders that God gave to me which made me become amazed? Did you know the meaning of the registration plate number 240 ICD of our car (2003)? Did you know the meaning of the registration plate number 486 IDE of the Toyota Echo economy car that I use for commuting (2006)? You may say that they are just coincidence? Are they?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Okay... I'll bite. What, pray tell, profound significance is revealed by the license plate numbers 240 ICD and 486 IDE?

This oughta be a hoot.

 

[Psiload]

Okay... I'll bite. What, pray tell, profound significance is revealed by the license plate numbers 240 ICD and 486 IDE?

This oughta be a hoot.

Ah ha!...

Did you know what ICD means? It stands for something like in text messaging: "I see Thee". A few days later after I got the plate number, a Roman Catholic priest told me that ICD stands for the Latin Iesus Christus Dominus meaning Jesus Christ Lord. After another few days, I found out that instead of Dominus, the Latin word Deus is more appropriate--Iesus Christus Deus--meaning Jesus Christ God.

IDE stands for "I Thee Echo". Is it a coincidence that the second-hand economy car I bought last year (August 2006) is a Toyota Echo?

IDE stands for I Thee Echo?

Sir... you have just pegged the Fruitcake-O-Meter in the "Nuttier Than" range.

 

[Oualawouzou]

It's almost like self-applied cold-reading...

"Ok, I'm getting a D... D... Anybody relates to a D? Perhaps a Dominic? What? Domini? That can do. Domini, Deus? D? What? 'Thee'? Yeah, that's good too! Thee!"

 

[colin]

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I think this thread is stuck in a rut. In an infinite loop. It needs to die. It needs kittens.

Yup. This tread definitely needs a mercy killing.

Unless we want a good example of argumentum ad nauseam. ;-)

 

[Moochie]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Fellow Forumers,



You are right. I agree that it seems that overall, the population of the world is still increasing. But there are countries where their population is declining due to more deaths than births. What are the causes of death? AIDS is one of them. Many young people are dying leaving many orphans behind. Another is war. How many Rwandans die in the genocide in the 1980s?

But the population will drastically be reduced when the nuclear bombs start to explode. Many will not even know what hit them. Have we not learned the lesson of Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

If you possessed an ounce of common sense, some light research would have told you that in some Western countries populations are nearing equilibrium, due in no small part to people deliberately having fewer or no kids.

I'm still mulling over whether you are certifiable, by the way.

M.

 

[Moochie]

<snip>

After I discovered IDE, I added Echo to my signature--for that is what I am--just a sounding board of what the spirit revealed.

No you're not. You're a sounding board for every loony on the planet.

Now please, pack your Jesus toys and go over to the relevant part of the forum. Run along now, like a good moron.

M.

 

[Moochie]

God Damn...

I was actually on board with PC for about 20 seconds there. I was reading Moochie's posts and thinking, "Man, that Moochie is being too hard on this guy... this guy took the test. Moochie should back off and be nice..."

Then I kept reading, and PC is just right back to going on and on and on and on and on and on, doing the same crap he's been doing ever since he first started posting.

I will give him one little tiny bit of credit for coming back and posting his inane conversation with the obviously fake whatshername. I will then take back all of that credit, and more, for his continuing to carry on in the face of all evidence that his claim is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

Moochie, I am sorry I thought you were butthole. You seem to be the only one who was onto this incredible lame from the get go...

No problems, mate. When you've hung around here for a while you'll become as perspicacious (some would say jaded) as many of us have become.

M.

 

[Davide]

Still Wondering

...One thing that is not clear to me is what, in your view, the reason was for Ama refusing to participate. In my view, the reason for refusing is that doing what you asked was impossible, and calling the request not tangi was just an excuse. But I would like to hear what you think.

On a related subject, I'm guessing that you did not ask Ama to give you the numbers that Jackalgirl has written down. Is that correct? I ask because correctly performing that feat would have been very, very tangi (if I understand the word correctly). It would have made many of us here sit up and take notice, and, with no money involved, it was clearly not driven by materialistic movtives.

Assuming you didn't ask about Jackalgirl's numbers, can you say why?

PC,

I'm still wondering. It seems to me that you had a terrrific chance to demonstrate to folks here what you so strongly believe.

Did you ask Ama for Jackalgirl's numbers? If so, what were the results? If not, why didn't you?