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Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?

Mojo said:
Let's try again. I'll ask them one at a time to avoid overloading your brain too much.

Question 1

Kumar, You have stated that, in your opinion, some homeopathic remedies should be "pruned." Assuming that there is some sort of rational process going on here, this means that you consider some homeopathic remedies to be ineffective, or harmful, or both.

Which homeopathic remedies do you think should be "pruned?"

Be specific: name some remedies!
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NO, but duplicacies, repetitions, multiplicity etc. Just read, how you will handle the case. There can be as much as 25/50 remedies against any one symptom. You can refer Rep.&MMs.

In many instances such cure of pathology has occurred as a delightful surprise to the physician, who realizes in this evidence the accuracy of the prescription, which not only restored the functional activities but altered the nutrition to the extent of removing the products of disorder.

The difficulty in prescribing for patients with such altered tissue - cataract, hepatization (in pneumonia), induration of glands, aterio-sclerosis, fibroids, cancer, etc. - rests in the fact that when these tissue-changes occur, the symptoms on which a prescription should be based - the symptoms of the patient - have disappeared. The symptoms present at the time are symptoms of the pathology. If the symptoms that preceded this condition can be learned, and considered together with the later results of disorder - the pathological tissue - it may be possible to select a remedy that is sufficiently related to both the patient and his pathology, to effect a cure of both, provided always that the reaction and vitality of the patient are sufficient to permit the resolution.

Caust., Graph., Lyc., Nit-Ac., Staph., Thuja and many other remedies relate to exrescences. Skin indurations are met by Ant-C., Calc., Con., Lyc., Phos., Rhus., Sep., Sil., Sulph. and similar remedies. Indurated glands find suitable remedies in Ben-Ac., Brom., Calc., Calc-F. and remedies of similar depth, while such remedies as Caust., Bry., Con., Kali-C., and Lyc. are found suited to muscle indurations.
http://www.simillibus.com/kentpathology.html
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Also look at this; http://www.lutravision.com/families.htm


You told 'without me'. Just try.
 
Kumar said:
NO, but duplicacies, repetitions, multiplicity etc. Just read, how you will handle the case. There can be as much as 25/50 remedies against any one symptom.
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I thought that, in homeopathy, the reason for many remedies being suggested for a particular condition is because the treatment has to be individualised to the particular patient; it is claimed that a remedy that works for one patient with a particular condition or symptoms may not work for other patients with the same symptoms. Are you saying that this is not the case?
 
You can win one million bucks if you can differentiate between a homeopathic remedy and an ordinary glass of water in a controlled test, Kumar. Are you ready to win?
 
Mojo said:
I thought that, in homeopathy, the reason for many remedies being suggested for a particular condition is because the treatment has to be individualised to the particular patient; it is claimed that a remedy that works for one patient with a particular condition or symptoms may not work for other patients with the same symptoms. Are you saying that this is not the case?
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Pruning means, cutting extra & complex structure of any tree/plant. If many remedies constitute complex combinations of differant human bio-chemicals or no human's bio-chemical--these can be pruned in specific bio-chemicals--making it simpler & specific to apply & understand in view of "Saam" as I defined. 4000+ remedies may consist of just our few basic substances & so those few basics can be sorted out by pruning & understood & applied as single or in combination as per need. Just study homeopathy & TRS both--otherwise Iwill have to teach you all, which is not possible here.
 
Kumar said:
Pruning means, cutting extra & complex structure of any tree/plant. If many remedies constitute complex combinations of differant human bio-chemicals or no human's bio-chemical--these can be pruned in specific bio-chemicals--making it simpler & specific to apply & understand in view of "Saam" as I defined. 4000+ remedies may consist of just our few basic substances & so those few basics can be sorted out by pruning & understood & applied as single or in combination as per need. Just study homeopathy & TRS both--otherwise Iwill have to teach you all, which is not possible here.
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You teach? Very funny. Kumar, you don't even understand homeopathy yourself. Many of your posts makes that pitifully clear, including the one above.

Homeopathy uses the totality of symptoms, both of patients and remedies. You can't dissect remedies into basic parts.

Don't believe me? Well, go and make your suggestion on one of the homeopathic forums, and see what they say (if they can understand what you say, that is).

Hans
 
Kumar said:
4000+ remedies may consist of just our few basic substances & so those few basics can be sorted out by pruning & understood & applied as single or in combination as per need.
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How do you propose to find out which "basic substances" are actually effective?
 
The thing is, Kumar isn't really a proponent of homoeopathy, he's a proponent of Schüssler's Tissue Remedies. This is a sort of outgrowth of homoeopathy which uses only 12 remedy substances, all of them inorganic salts. It was proposed by the eponymous Dr. Schüssler based apparently on some very crude analyses of the products of cremation.

Hardly surprisingly (given the very crude analytical methods available at the time) his analysis missed some minerals that are known to be present, and found some things (silica) which aren't a normal part of the body chemistry. He also didn't understand the difference between free ions and salts (neither does Kumar, and worse, Kumar doesn't understand the difference between elemental forms and ions either), and basically made up a lot of the cation-anion salt combinations for things that would have been free ions in vivo.

I have repeatedly asked Kumar what analytical methods Dr. Schüssler used, and what his sample material consisted of (for example, was the crematorium fuel included, and what about graveclothes and intestinal contents and even tooth fillings?) but he has never answered. All discussions with Kumar on this subject have foundered irretrivably, partly due to his lack of comprehension that the analytical methods available in the 1870s or whenever were substantially inferior to what we have now, but mainly due to his inability to understand the difference between free ions, salts and elements. Oh, and his lack of understanding of body fluid compartments and intracellular organelles and so on is pretty fundamental too.

He started out here by acknowledging that the trace amounts of common salts present in the TRS preparations (which are not normally diluted past Avogadro's number) could not materially affect the body, considering that much larger quantities of most of them are normally ingested with the diet. He therefore wanted us to tell him the science of how the effect was achieved - what did succussion do, essentially. When he was told, nothing, it's all delusional, he started to get incomprehensible.

One of his early theories was really quite inventive. He appeared to be theorising that as homoeopathic remedies (the mainstream ones) are prepared using a stone mortar and pestle, and/or succussed and stored in glass bottles, then in fact homoeopathy itself works because all the various remedies are in reality just the TRS preparation "silicea", which he theorised was a complete cure-all.

He seems to think that even 12 remedies is too many, and that this should be pared down to a handful or less. This fits in with the silicea idea I suppose. Now, how you do any "individualisation" in these circumstances, God only knows.

So I think this is why he gets yelled at on the homoeopathy boards too. He's not really on their side, he's trying to show them how their little obsession is just an impure and incomplete version of his precious TRS, to which he wants to convert them.

He seems to have moved a long way from his initial position, which was all about the possibility that scientists didn't realise there was silica in cancer cells because it was like glass and transparent under the microscope(!), but each time he has to abandon a position under the drumfire of scientific rebuttal he simply comes up with ever more bizarre and off-the-wall ideas.

Just a quick gallop through the Kumar history, but it seems as if he's going back to that direction here and so it may be "bit relevant".

Rolfe.
 
I'm guessing now that Schuessler himself might not have done any measurements of minerals in tissues. I think he probably used results from the physiologist Jacob Moleschott, or possibly Gustav von Bunge. I can't get (or read) a copy of either Moleschott's or Bunge's works, so I still don't know how they did the analysis.

I finally found a cheap used copy of an article by Schuessler: "Abridged Therapeutics founded upon Histology and Cellular Pathology" (9th edition, translation by Walker, 1884). There is not much information in it, unfortunately. Schuessler says Moleschott's writings were his inspiration. He quotes Moleschott as saying:
"... it can no longer be denied that the substances which remain after incineration or combustion of the tissues - the ashes - are as important and essential to the inner composition, and consequently to the 'form-giving' and 'kind-determining' basis of the tissues, as those substances which are volatilized during combustion."

It is hard to be completely clear what Schuessler means in this article, partly because of the translation, partly because he doesn't go into detail and partly because his knowledge of chemistry and physiology is from the 1800s. But he does say a couple of things which sound very wrong. For instance, here is his explanation of how the cell salts might work:
"A disturbance in the molecular movements of any of the inorganic salts of a tissue produces a disease. For the healing or cure of such, the smallest dose of the identical inorganic substance suffices, because the molecules of that substance, administered as medicine, fill up the gap in the chain of molecules of that particular cell or tissue salt."
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" Through irritation, over-stimulation, a certain tissue has lost its molecules of common salt. In consequence of this, that portion of the tissue is so changed that it is no longer able to absorb out of the plasma new molecules of salt. The requisite molecules must, therefore be introduced by some other means.

The molecules of a minimum dose of common salt, given as medicine, reach the neurilemma (nerve-sheaths) of those branches of the Sympathetic which ramify through the mucous membrane of the mouth and the upper part to the throat. In this way they proceed to the nearest ganglia (nerve-centres), and from there they pass by the same path, i.e. the ducts of the connective-tissue sheaths of other branches of the Sympathetic, into the diseased tissue. The molecules of a minimum (minutest) dose of common salt thus reach their destination by a route different from that through the stomach, intestines, and blood-vessels. The same mode of locomotion naturally applies to the molecules of the other cell salts which are given for curative purposes.

When the said portion of tissue has acquired its former healthy condition through this supply of molecules, it possesses again the capability of absorbing from the plasma particles of common salt, or any other cell salt.

The presence of a dose of common salt, unattenuated, can be perceived by the nerves of taste. To produce this it is only necessary that the ends of these nerves be touched by the common salt. It is, however, questionable if the salt in a crude, non-attenuated condition can enter, or can be taken up by the ducts of the neurilemma which envelops the branches of the Sympathetic. It seems probable that these narrow canals can only take up the delicately fine attenuated molecules of Sodium Chloride and the other tissue salts, when set free by a special process of trituration."
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It seems to me that by trituration, he only means the process of making a smaller particle, not any kind of activation. (I don't see why he is even worrying about particle size when he talks about NaCl since it dissolves.) I don't see either logic or truth in this idea about the nerve sheathes. (no surprise there.) Maybe he derived it from some knowledge of nerve conduction at the time.

(probably I should have revived the tissue salts topic in the science forum and posted there.)
 
flume said:
(probably I should have revived the tissue salts topic in the science forum and posted there.)
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How about doing that? What you've just posted is way more information on the subject than I've ever seen before, and well worthy of a new thread.

I suppose the problem becomes the same as with homoeoapthy - you shred the writings of Hahnemann, and his abysmal theorisings, and the homoeopaths who bother to reply just say it doesn't matter because "it works".

The interesting difference here is that Schüssler's theorising is closer to real biochemistry than Hahnemann's, as if he's making a genuine attempt to fit in with real science. Thus the fact that it's completely superseded nonsense-speculation becomes more relevant.

Rolfe.
 
OK, reposted to the science forum in Kumar's old topic, "My questions in general", which seemed to have a discussion about ash analysis of tissues.
 
MRC_Hans said:
You teach? Very funny. Kumar, you don't even understand homeopathy yourself. Many of your posts makes that pitifully clear, including the one above.

Homeopathy uses the totality of symptoms, both of patients and remedies. You can't dissect remedies into basic parts.

Don't believe me? Well, go and make your suggestion on one of the homeopathic forums, and see what they say (if they can understand what you say, that is).

Hans
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Anyone can teach to anyother & anyone can learn from anyother--some specifics to them. All knowledges were not distributed to anyone--Mr.Hans, Kumar or other.

Your/s knowledge about homeopathy is also alike me of modren system's knowledges-- open any page of book, read & discuss. Homopathy has simple molecular remedies & complex molecular remedies. Complex organic based remedies are alke combination of several simple molecular remedies. If we have only simple but basic remedies with matches with body's substance, these can be used as single or in combination as per presenting symptoms. In this way only specific condition can be treated & no extra remedy will be unnecessarily given. Any complex organic remedy so applied can have with many unrequired remedies. All symptoms given in MM don't match, but few peculier re mathched. What about other symptoms as indicated in MMs?

Rolfe,

You can notice here & there that I am not proponent of any one theory, but whatever looks true, logical or doubtful to me, I talk & discuss about that.

I couldn't yet know from all of you, how somewhat same salts are found on ash analysis of differant parts of body if most remains in ionnic form in live body? 12+lactose resembles with about 95% of body's composition(I don't understand why Nitrogen is not considered otherwise it would had been somewhat 98%--probably, he considered inorganics only). If anything can handle 95%, then this 95% can handle the balance.
We should also look any substance in view of its role to us, by its exposure to us & by its ingestion. I sometimes feel 'both these combined form the basis of diseases & health.
 
flume said:
I'm guessing now that Schuessler himself might not have done any measurements of minerals in tissues. I think he probably used results from the physiologist Jacob Moleschott, or possibly Gustav von Bunge. I can't get (or read) a copy of either Moleschott's or Bunge's works, so I still don't know how they did the analysis.

I finally found a cheap used copy of an article by Schuessler: "Abridged Therapeutics founded upon Histology and Cellular Pathology" (9th edition, translation by Walker, 1884). There is not much information in it, unfortunately. Schuessler says Moleschott's writings were his inspiration. He quotes Moleschott as saying:
"... it can no longer be denied that the substances which remain after incineration or combustion of the tissues - the ashes - are as important and essential to the inner composition, and consequently to the 'form-giving' and 'kind-determining' basis of the tissues, as those substances which are volatilized during combustion."

It is hard to be completely clear what Schuessler means in this article, partly because of the translation, partly because he doesn't go into detail and partly because his knowledge of chemistry and physiology is from the 1800s. But he does say a couple of things which sound very wrong. For instance, here is his explanation of how the cell salts might work:It seems to me that by trituration, he only means the process of making a smaller particle, not any kind of activation. (I don't see why he is even worrying about particle size when he talks about NaCl since it dissolves.) I don't see either logic or truth in this idea about the nerve sheathes. (no surprise there.) Maybe he derived it from some knowledge of nerve conduction at the time.

(probably I should have revived the tissue salts topic in the science forum and posted there.)
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It was not only dilution by it was potentization also. You can't say weight reduction by excercises & by other means are similar? The science of it--how potentization process differ from dilution, we,you have to found. Whether Dr.Sch. analysed human ashes personally or noted it with science records of that time is not so important to discuss, but his thoughts of selecting/pruning among homeopathic remedies, studies thereafter & indications given by his knowledge about physiology,health & diseases(due to M.D.) or due to study of homeopathically given indications, are important & his real work. Pruning/thinning of specifics & training, fertilizing, maintaining & distributing those pruned/thinned & polished remedies was his real credentials & respect. Allthough he didn't accepted any relation of TRS & homeopathy at later dates, still I consider homeopathy/Dr.Hahn.'s work as mother of TRS but also I prefered to marry with with daughter instead with mother.:)
 
I sometimes feel/find that, there can be so many Souls/ghosts in us--may be equivelent to our cells. I think our body is a composite form of many cells & all can be live entities individually & every live hould have its own soul/ghost. Whether "so thought" soul/ghost of humans can be a "composite" form or not is to be thought?:)
 
Kumar said:
I sometimes feel/find that, there can be so many Souls/ghosts in us--may be equivelent to our cells. I think our body is a composite form of many cells & all can be live entities individually & every live hould have its own soul/ghost. Whether "so thought" soul/ghost of humans can be a "composite" form or not is to be thought?:)
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These are actually engrams.

They're the spirits of aliens who were chained to volcanoes here on Earth hundreds of millions of years ago, and then nuked by... other aliens. The angry radioactive spirits hung around waiting for mammals to evolve and then infested them, causing all known disease. You can be cured of your engrams by burning all your money.

Well, that's what the Scientologists tell me.
 
Kumar said:
Homopathy has simple molecular remedies & complex molecular remedies.
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No it doesn't: they are all exactly the same.
Complex organic based remedies are alke combination of several simple molecular remedies.
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I'm sure any homeopath you ask would disagree with this.
If we have only simple but basic remedies with matches with body's substance, these can be used as single or in combination as per presenting symptoms.
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How would you match "simple but basic" remedies with the "body's substance?" The body is a remarkably complex series of systems (as any IDer will be delighted to confirm).
In this way only specific condition can be treated & no extra remedy will be unnecessarily given. Any complex organic remedy so applied can have with many unrequired remedies
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Are you suggesting that, as currently used, homeopathic remedies have unwanted side-effects? I can assure you that they don't, any more than they have wanted effects.
I couldn't yet know from all of you, how somewhat same salts are found on ash analysis of differant parts of body if most remains in ionnic form in live body?
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Salts are by definition ionic, whatever form they are in. In the body salts are dissociated into separate ions because they are in solution.
 
Mojo said:
No it doesn't: they are all exactly the same.

No, if we consider molecular energy traces.

I'm sure any homeopath you ask would disagree with this.

You can understand it by taking composition of any plant used in remedies.

How would you match "simple but basic" remedies with the "body's substance?"

This is bit secret. I can't tell unless you tell me 'how somewhat similar salts are found on dry ash analysis of body & differant parts of body, in several specimen?

Are you suggesting that, as currently used, homeopathic remedies have unwanted side-effects? I can assure you that they don't, any more than they have wanted effects.

HRs may work with least side effects. These works or don't work, but rarely these(higher potencies) can show toxic side effects. Usually, many symptoms of remedy picture are matched with an individual patient, not all. Some unwanted symptoms can still remain balance in any complex remedy's picture, which can be due to unwanted substances in those complex remedies. How these unwanted ones will effect, depend individually on person to person. Still these may be unwanted/extras, which we can avoid as I indicated.

Salts are by definition ionic, whatever form they are in. In the body salts are dissociated into separate ions because they are in solution.

I am taking about dry ash analysis.
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