Can anybody help me find a logical explanation for this stuff?

Hooray, a Swedenborg reference! I was raised in the New Church (aka Swedenborgian) though I haven't attended for years. Swedenborg was a really fascinating guy and worth reading about. I don't believe in the stories of his spiritual journeys and whatnot, but I do believe that he believed, and so when it comes to the fire I would be inclined to rule out arson or other deliberate fraud. That still leaves other options, of course.

As for the religious writings, there's a lot of good stuff in there but the books are quite dry. When it comes to the thing previously quoted about people on the moon... that's infamous in the church. NOBODY buys it, and there's a lot of mumbling and feet-shuffling when it comes up. Generally the line is that he misunderstood what he was being show or something, but since the New Church doesn't require you to believe it's okay to just say "that's insane" and move on.
 
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Third case: "Ok, right. This friend of a friend of my cousin had a dream the night before he was due to fly to New York. In the dream, his plane crashed into a big building. Dude was so convinced the dream was true that he rescheduled his flight. The day he'd been due to fly on? September 11th, 2001! Like, oh my god, right? SWEAR that's a true story. You want a hit on this?"
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My friend new a guy who had the same dream about the 10th so he switched his flight to the 11th, ah the irony.
 
Sorry if I seem a little ignorant, I haven't been feeling to well for the last couple of days, and I think that it is making me a little gullible. Here is one of the other things I found odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Međugorje#Medical_Cures_at_Me.C4.91ugorje

Paragraph 3 and 5 are the most important, but I noticed that the citations are a little questionable. But other cures on that same page say that doctors did confirm their recoveries. Since the others were knocked out so easily, this one most likely will as well.

Edit: I found an interesting looking book titled "The paranormal explained" by Sean O'Donnel that discusses the fire, but it gets in to some pretty abstract and odd theories.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MU...age&q=swedenborg kant paranormal fire&f=false
 
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Could you please first acknowledge that the claim regarding Wallace Fard Muhammad is clearly and unequivocally bogus and without merit?
 
Another one :( :( X10

If you are inclined to believe this stuff, just say it. No one buys the old " i am a skeptic, buy i am really starting to think sylvia browne is real." line anymore.

The thing is it is perfectly reasonable to be interested or confused on a topic, and i always cross my fingers hoping i will come into a thread like this and see some new phenomenon, or some legitimately confusing or believable piece of information.

But it never is. It is always, some easily debunked obviously fake garbage that has been around forever. And an op that keeps hammering " i am just trying to be open minded." every time the fact that it is obviously fake easily debunked garbage is brought up.

Open minded means reviewing the evidence and giving it the time of day. NOT and i repeat NOT accepting the claims as true and trying to then prove they are not true. And certainly not throwing out all skepticality and accepting fanciful tales when perfectly rational explanations are there.

And on a note more relevant to the thread. Using someone's personality to debunk a claim they may have been lying is not the stuff of skeptics. It seems to me that some people think that every con artist is this snidley whiplash character. Of course he is going to try and promote himself as a nice guy who wouldn't lie, you don't get far with a scam saying " i am going to feed you guys some pretty huge piles of bs, and hope you buy it. I am doing this because i want money and fame."
 
Just a point of information. Goteborg and Stockholm are sea level cities on the opposite coasts of Sweden . Typical horizon at sea level is about 3 miles.
The glow of flames on a cloud at 10,000 feet could be seen (under perfect conditions) at 130 miles.
I do not accept any reasonable probability of seeing physical evidence of a fire at the actual separation of these two cities.
 
Soapy Sam said:
Just a point of information. Goteborg and Stockholm are sea level cities on the opposite coasts of Sweden . Typical horizon at sea level is about 3 miles.
The glow of flames on a cloud at 10,000 feet could be seen (under perfect conditions) at 130 miles.
I do not accept any reasonable probability of seeing physical evidence of a fire at the actual separation of these two cities.
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True. I do not accept that the events occurred as claimed.
 
You know on a related note, i always wondered who they were referencing in kingdom hospital when they said Swedenborgian space. Now i know. At least this thread has managed to keep the E in jref for me.
 
Back to the Swedish thing. Apparently, someone rode or traveled 250 miles in 48 hours to deliver the news. Seems strange. I'm not all that familiar with Sweden, or how they traveled back then, but it seems like a fair haul.
 
Soapy Sam said:
Just a point of information. Goteborg and Stockholm are sea level cities on the opposite coasts of Sweden . Typical horizon at sea level is about 3 miles.
The glow of flames on a cloud at 10,000 feet could be seen (under perfect conditions) at 130 miles.
I do not accept any reasonable probability of seeing physical evidence of a fire at the actual separation of these two cities.
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parts of Gothenberg are 300 metres above sea level
http://www.guldhedstornet.se/
;)
 
Call it 1000ft. 50 miles. And it's not all flatland between there and Stockholm.
I don't think we could make this work. Not that we need to.
 
Soapy Sam said:
Call it 1000ft. 50 miles. And it's not all flatland between there and Stockholm.
I don't think we could make this work. Not that we need to.
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are you miscalculating on cloud heights here ?
in that area high clouds form at between 16,500 and 40,000 ft
they could easily be seen 250 miles away if they were lit by a large fire from below
 
Zanders said:
Sorry if I seem a little ignorant, I haven't been feeling to well for the last couple of days, and I think that it is making me a little gullible. Here is one of the other things I found odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Međugorje#Medical_Cures_at_Me.C4.91ugorje

Paragraph 3 and 5 are the most important, but I noticed that the citations are a little questionable. But other cures on that same page say that doctors did confirm their recoveries. Since the others were knocked out so easily, this one most likely will as well.
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The entire thing is a hoax and the priest responsible has been defrocked.
 
Marduk said:
are you miscalculating on cloud heights here ?
in that area high clouds form at between 16,500 and 40,000 ft
they could easily be seen 250 miles away if they were lit by a large fire from below
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WP says there were "two devastating fires in the 1750s" which "destroyed large parts of the buildings on the ridges". So far so good - the fire was large. That still leaves me wondering about the distance involved - does anyone know of any report of a great fire being seen from such a distance?
 
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WP says there were "two devastating fires in the 1750s" which "destroyed large parts of the buildings on the ridges". So far so good - the fire was large. That still leaves me wondering about the distance involved - does anyone know of any report of a great fire being seen from such a distance?
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When Crystal palace in london burned down the glow could be seen in Brigton

smaller distance around 50 miles
but much smaller fire too
and that was the glow from the ground, not reflected in the clouds, remember this was a period when there was zero light pollution

then you have the smoke the next day, which could be seen for hundreds of miles
;)

PixyMisa said:
The entire thing is a hoax and the priest responsible has been defrocked.
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He wasn't the first involved to be defrocked either
“The Vatican also began an inquiry into claims he was guilty of sexual immorality after he made a nun pregnant. "
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