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In the context above what is the difference between cold calling and proactive?
Easy. Cold calling is simply contacting people who have no existing business relationship with the seller. Cold calling is usually a part of any pro-active sales job, but is only a small part, unless you're selling photocopiers or vacuum cleaners, where it's all about cold calling.
Absolutely. In my company, for example, around 20% of our business comes from cold-calling; 30% from referrals; and 50% from repeat customers. But being "proactive" applies equally to all three categories.

Cold-calling is pro-active insomuch as it is not waiting for customers to come to you; but is also more reactive, in that it is more difficult to anticipate an individual customer's needs and questions in advance. Referrals probably require the most aggressively proactive approach, as you have the opportunity to find out more information about the client before you meet them, and make the best possible first impression. In my experience, for repeat customers, the focus is more on anticipating what your competition may do to try to steal your client away from you, and taking pro-active measures to minimize that risk. (Please note that I am talking specifically about the training industry here; other industries will probably have very different figures and approaches)
 
Atheist said:
It's impossible to be inactive and sell, but it's quite possible to actively sell, while being purely reactive (see below), but pro-actively selling requires you to actually make the play.
But selling actively is selling proactively. Selling passively is order-taking, which isn't selling at all. The problem really must be that passive order-taking has become known as selling. Obviously the world of the salesperson has become too easy. :D

Another problem here is that proactive selling is actually impossible, since proactive means "in anticipation of." So selling proactively would mean to sell something to somebody before they actually need it. I suppose that's what good salespeople endeavor to do.

"Proactive" sales would be identifying the most likely clients/customers ourselves, and then getting out and selling to those customers.
No, that's "active" sales. Proactive sales would be bothering the crap out of your customers to buy stuff before they need it.

There are already two perfectly good words: passive and active. We don't need proactive here. Make it go away.

"Oh my gosh, don't just drive actively. You must anticipate every curve and drive proactively."

~~ Paul
 
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But selling actively is selling proactively. Selling passively is order-taking, which isn't selling at all. The problem really must be that passive order-taking has become known as selling. Obviously the world of the salesperson has become too easy. :D

Another problem here is that proactive selling is actually impossible, since proactive means "in anticipation of." So selling proactively would mean to sell something to somebody before they actually need it. I suppose that's what good salespeople endeavor to do.

No, that's "active" sales. Proactive sales would be bothering the crap out of your customers to buy stuff before they need it.

There are already two perfectly good words: passive and active. We don't need proactive here. Make it go away.

"Oh my gosh, don't just drive actively. You must anticipate every curve and drive proactively."

~~ Paul
A nice response, Paul...but rather completely ignores everything I said.

You equate "active" with "proactive", and make its opposite "passive". However, if you read my post, you'll find that my argument is completely different. I contrast "proactive" and "reactive". Under your definition ("active" and "passive"), what I term as "reactive" could be both passive and active.

Let me illustrate.

I run a company that does corporate training, and I personally specialize in corporate culture and cross culture consulting. We have a new potential client that I am meeting with to try to sell them my product. Now, this is by definition "active" sales. I'm not just sitting there writing and order. I'm going out and selling my product, and competing with other vendors who are trying to sell their products. This is in no way a "done deal".

How, I have two approaches with I can take.

One is the "reactive" approach. That is, I prepare a basic, fairly generic presentation about my company's services, and what we can offer. I am then prepared, after I have finished that presentation, to field specific questions that the client may have, and to identify more clearly the specific uses they will have for my product. It is "reactive" because the majority of what I will say (answers to client questions, developing strategy based on client needs, etc.) is done after I've done my presentation, as a reaction to their specific questions.

The other is the "proactive" approach. I do a lot of research in advance, I find out as much information as possible about the company's current situation, why they are interested in our company's services, and what type of results they are looking for. Based on that, I develop a presentation that addresses those specific issues. I also do my best, based on this, to anticipate the questions that they are going to ask, and include the answers to those questions in my presentation -- so they will never need to ask them. By the time I'm done the presentation, if I've done a good job, most of their questions and concerns have already been addressed, and we can focus instead on finalizing the contract.

This has nothing to do with being "passive" or "active"; both styles are "active". In my experience, by far the majority of sales presentations follow the former (reactive) style; but the latter (proactive) style consistently results in more sales.
 
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You equate "active" with "proactive", and make its opposite "passive". However, if you read my post, you'll find that my argument is completely different. I contrast "proactive" and "reactive". Under your definition ("active" and "passive"), what I term as "reactive" could be both passive and active.

Another example, one that my students appreciate. Nearly every student needs a job of some sort after graduation, except for the lucky few that have (through circumstance or fortune) already been placed in a summer or intern position that offers them a full-time job. They -- and only they --- have the luxury of a "passive" job search. Wait for an offer and then say "yes."

Most of my students do an "active" but "reactive" job search; they go looking through the various help-wanted ads, see who's hiring, and then apply for the jobs advertised appropriately. The more sophisticated ones will also network with family and friends to see who is hiring before the jobs get to HR if possible.

A few will actually engage in a "proactive" job search, where they attempt to persuade companies to create new jobs for them. They will target specific companies, learn what that company needs, and then try to tailor a package specific to some need they identified of the company, often before the company even realized that they had that need. It's much more work, but it usually results in better jobs.
 
I just mentally translate from Bureaucrat into English.

"At this point in time" = "Now"
Ex: "We must update our shipping software at this point in time."

"Facilitate" = "Help"
Ex: "You're in luck. Bob's experience means he can facilitate."

"Synergize" = "Do nothing"
Ex: "Bi-Weekly hour-long meetings will get us synergized."

"Revitalize" = "Start working"
Ex: "We have fallen behind other deparments in output, and must revitalize."

"Reorganize" = "Fire"
Ex: "The new CEO wants to reorganize the previous staff."

"Reassess" = "Assess (for the first time)"
Ex: "Because we didn't understand the field as well in the past, and built our strategy on poor data, we need to reassess our facts."

"Going forward" = "Doing" (Alternately, "forward" can be dropped entirely.)
Ex: "We're making excellent progress on the product relase and things are going forward well."

"Transition" and "Flowchart" are nouns, not verbs, and "React" is a verb, not a noun. Why do people mess those up, deliberately?
 
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Playboy's Unabashed Dictionary {in seminar-speak}

Sexual Perversion: global vanguard paradigm shift from pushing the envelope to thinking outside the box...

:bunpan
 
Another example, one that my students appreciate. Nearly every student needs a job of some sort after graduation, except for the lucky few that have (through circumstance or fortune) already been placed in a summer or intern position that offers them a full-time job. They -- and only they --- have the luxury of a "passive" job search. Wait for an offer and then say "yes."

Most of my students do an "active" but "reactive" job search; they go looking through the various help-wanted ads, see who's hiring, and then apply for the jobs advertised appropriately. The more sophisticated ones will also network with family and friends to see who is hiring before the jobs get to HR if possible.

A few will actually engage in a "proactive" job search, where they attempt to persuade companies to create new jobs for them. They will target specific companies, learn what that company needs, and then try to tailor a package specific to some need they identified of the company, often before the company even realized that they had that need. It's much more work, but it usually results in better jobs.

As Paul pointed out, the most common meaning of "proactive", which is quite different from the original meaning, includes anticipation or preemption. Doing a job search because you have reason to believe you will soon be fired from your current job would be proactive, waiting until you were fired would be reactive. A method of job searching couldn't really be described as proactive by that definition. But it doesn't surprise me that the meaning is changing or expanding as seems to be indicated by the discussion here. The usual purpose of the word has not changed, and that purpose is to sound like you have a plan and know what you're talking about without providing any specifics.
 
As Paul pointed out, the most common meaning of "proactive", which is quite different from the original meaning, includes anticipation or preemption. Doing a job search because you have reason to believe you will soon be fired from your current job would be proactive, waiting until you were fired would be reactive. A method of job searching couldn't really be described as proactive by that definition.

Er, no. You're not paying attention to what is anticipated.

A reactive job search (in the example I gave) requires potential employers to identify their needs and present them for job searchers to respond to (via want ads, for example).

A proactive job search requires the job seeker to anticipate the employer's needs, ideally before the employer has even recognized and articulated them.

The usual purpose of the word has not changed, and that purpose is to sound like you have a plan and know what you're talking about without providing any specifics.

... which is appropriate if you're talking about high-level generalities. I do have a plan, and I do know what I'm talking about -- as a general strategy. I can, for example, recommend that my students job-search "proactively" without needing to get into specifications of which companies they might look at and which needs they might identify. This is generally an advantage, since my students have sufficiently varied interests that they won't look for the same things or at the same companies. But the needs of Google are of course different from the needs of Citibank, Honda, or Pfitzer.
 
Wolfman said:
A nice response, Paul...but rather completely ignores everything I said.
Sorry, I wasn't really responding too seriously. I'm still treating this as a funny thread.

The other is the "proactive" approach. I do a lot of research in advance, I find out as much information as possible about the company's current situation, why they are interested in our company's services, and what type of results they are looking for. Based on that, I develop a presentation that addresses those specific issues. I also do my best, based on this, to anticipate the questions that they are going to ask, and include the answers to those questions in my presentation -- so they will never need to ask them. By the time I'm done the presentation, if I've done a good job, most of their questions and concerns have already been addressed, and we can focus instead on finalizing the contract.
Gotcha. Now that is proactive, even according to the usual meaning of the term.

Drkitten said:
A few will actually engage in a "proactive" job search, where they attempt to persuade companies to create new jobs for them. They will target specific companies, learn what that company needs, and then try to tailor a package specific to some need they identified of the company, often before the company even realized that they had that need. It's much more work, but it usually results in better jobs.
Yup, that sounds proactive, too.

Okay, it makes me gag, but proactive is in. As long as you use it carefully, not just to mean active. And as long as you don't say "proactively collaborate going forward."

~~ Paul
 
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Sorry, I wasn't really responding too seriously. I'm still treating this as a funny thread.
Paul, this is a very serious thread. Even the Grammar Tyrant is involved. We must define for all of humanity which terms they may or may not use, and in those cases where they may be used, how they may be used appropriately. Humor, laziness, or just a plain lacksidaisical attitude have no place within this thread.
 
Paul, this is a very serious thread. Even the Grammar Tyrant is involved. We must define for all of humanity which terms they may or may not use, and in those cases where they may be used, how they may be used appropriately. Humor, laziness, or just a plain lacksidaisical attitude have no place within this thread.


Put it all in a PowerPoint using flashy transitions, then I'll be interested.


NOT!
 
Wolfman said:
Paul, this is a very serious thread. Even the Grammar Tyrant is involved. We must define for all of humanity which terms they may or may not use, and in those cases where they may be used, how they may be used appropriately. Humor, laziness, or just a plain lacksidaisical attitude have no place within this thread.
Since you have stated this without using any annoying bizterms, I shall take it seriously.

~~ Paul
 
Put it all in a PowerPoint using flashy transitions, then I'll be interested.
Ooooh! Oh! Oh! My business partner bought the whole PowerPoint Transitions package from CrystalGraphics last year, and now there is not a single presentation from any of our staff that doesn't feature rockets taking off, rotating planets, 3-D rotating rings, and all sorts of other nifty stuff!

I've tried to emphasize to them that we're trying to make the client interested in the actual content of our presentations, not in nifty special effects. But thus far, my pleas have fallen upon deaf ears.

And now my partner wants to buy another package with all sorts of 3-D backgrounds and animations. I figure we'll soon reach the point where we'll need no actual content at all. We'll just treat our clients to a ten minute presentation of really cool graphic effects in PowerPoint, then say, "Now, if we could do that with PowerPoint, just think what we could do for your company!!"
 
Wolfman said:
I've tried to emphasize to them that we're trying to make the client interested in the actual content of our presentations, not in nifty special effects. But thus far, my pleas have fallen upon deaf ears.
That is because your fellow employees are being proactive regarding your clients' artistic desires.

~~ Paul
 
but...

overlong powerpoint graphics say the same sort of thing as the geocities webpages with fifteen different typefaces.

"I have a shiny new toy and like playing with it" They are just a bit... naff.

My point about the proactively selluing was that if you are in sales as opposed to order taking that part should be part of your job description, and if you are on an incentive scheme, you would want to make it so.

"The ideal candidate will be retroactively and only tardily and minimally responsive to the most insistant customers' demands for sales information, for work with customers of the British Rail system".

If the job advert is being costed by word, you can save another word by missing out "proactive" altogether

Originally Posted by Job ad
The job will require you to retroactively pro-actively sell the company's services to an established clientele.

Does the above convey any less information? To me that now conveys a slight disdain for tautology.
 
My pet peeve with buzz words is not about what they mean but how much they mean.

For example, when someone needs to point out that it's better to plan ahead, "proactive" works fine. But so many people use the word as if it were some sort of magic spell, "PROACTIVE!" [cue spooky music -- wooOOoo], pronouncing it with a hyperthyroid gaze like they're cracking open their vault of secret wisdom to give you a peek, it's hard not to laugh.

I think buzz words are the root of a lot of business woo (or woo in general, cf: The Secret); some new technology's got buzz -- "everybody's talking about it, gottabe something to it, right?" -- and soon the buzz of new language -- proactive, paradigm, empower, committment, etc. -- drowns out the reality that nothing's changed except the way people talk about it. Not to overstate the objection, a really new business strategy deserves a new name and a little buzz; but when words get too much buzz they quickly lose touch with whatever they meant and cease to mean anything, except maybe another way to say "abracadabra" and ten "hail Mary"'s.

--> BAD JOKE WARNING (Category 5)

We all know Jesus had Peter as the "rock" on which to build His church, and Judas along because every good story needs a villain, but what did Jesus need the other ten apostles for?
To each give his two cents, because twenty cents worth is a "paradigm".
Heh heh... :nope: sorry.
 
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