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Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

So desertyeti , you are telling me that a semiliquid mass can hang on a 45 degree angle and dry to produce regular shaped polygons . I would have thought the downward forces would have produced many more horizontal cracks .

 
When syneresis (I spelled it incorrectly in the previous post) occurs, the sediment can harden with additional minerals, then as erosion strips away the softer, surrounding matrix, only an oddly-shaped concretionary mass is left. That's what appears to have happened here. The rounded shape of the margins is a result of differential cementation and erosion, not folding of liquid-laden sediment. No mystery to it, I'm afraid. Here's an image of modern, sub-aerial syneresis in action:

and an ancient example of mudchips in sandstone:
 
Once again , thanks for taking the time to view and comment on my post ,desertyeti .

My understanding is that you believe that the formations were semi liquid , then dried and cracked , and were covered with a softer material which has since weathered away .
The flaw in this hypothesis is that no where in this area is there any examples of a softer material . From sea level up it is pretty much solid sandstone of very similar consistancy . Even furthur up the ridge , where the overlying soft material that you speak of , should be found ,there is only hard sandstone . In places the polygongs can be seen comming out from underneath the sandstone with no soft layer seperating them .

Appart form this ,the polygongs appear to have undergone some mechinical damage from above . A bit like being walked on while hardening . In the attatched pic , fine cracks can be seen around indentations in the upper surface of a polygong .
An overlying matrix would have had to be very soft to have been eroded out of these cracks .

These indentations appear all over this area and display the three toes with opposing fourth print that I spoke of .

Anyway we can agree to dissagree and your comments are most welcome .
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Hey Belz , got some bad news for you .
Know that thing you call reality , its just an illusion . Ever seen the old " ink blot " test ?
The shrink gets you to look at an ink blot and you tell him what you see . From the same ink blot someone might see a rose , someone else might see a fish . Well life is like that , we all see it differently , ...........sorry .
 
buzz lightyear said:
Hey Belz , got some bad news for you .
Know that thing you call reality , its just an illusion . Ever seen the old " ink blot " test ?
The shrink gets you to look at an ink blot and you tell him what you see . From the same ink blot someone might see a rose , someone else might see a fish . Well life is like that , we all see it differently , ...........sorry .
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But how many people would deny the ink blot exists? Just because different people think it is vaguely shaped like different things does not mean that the objective reality of the ink blot is not there.
 
buzz lightyear said:
Know that thing you call reality , its just an illusion . Ever seen the old " ink blot " test ?
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You mean the one where there is the reality of an ink blot and the illusion of a pattern?


From the same ink blot someone might see a rose , someone else might see a fish . Well life is like that , we all see it differently , ...........sorry .
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The subjective impression you may have does not alter the objective reality.

Now, about these advanced qualifications in geology you seem to think you have...
 
Well guys you can look at it this way :

Try and think of a colour that you havn't seen .

Not easy ,............ thats because everything we comprehend is a comparison against the known . If you have a different set of knowns them you see different things .
 
buzz lightyear said:
Well guys you can look at it this way :

Try and think of a colour that you havn't seen .

Not easy ,............ thats because everything we comprehend is a comparison against the known . If you have a different set of knowns them you see different things .
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Recognised geological phenomena are not colours we haven't seen, the processes are known, the fact that you don't know and are unwilling to study them, does not invalidate them.
 
The forces that created these formations aren"t known Paul .
Assumptions have been made , desication cracks are one of them , fire cracking is another . Both have been refuted by geologists who have visited the site .

If I wasn't interested in listening to theorys from a geoligical point of view I wouldn't have asked for them .

I have presented another possibility to the list of probables and desertyeti's comments have been most welcome . It is through disscussion and analaysis that understandings are arrived at . Not sarcasm and ridicule .
The " colour that you havn't seen " comment was to point out that a new idea on a subject is like a new colour . It opens up new possibilities , new ways of seeing .
 
buzz lightyear said:
The " colour that you havn't seen " comment was to point out that a new idea on a subject is like a new colour . It opens up new possibilities , new ways of seeing .
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No, in fact what you're doing is exactly what someone's sig {DrK?} says:

[paraphrased]
There's no point trying to get people to believe that 2+2=5 when you can sell the idea of 2+2=blue. Enter Buzz....
 
This whole idea that the earth is a giant lizard or snake reminds me of Lovecraft for some reason.... He would have loved the idea.

I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere in the Necronomicon.
 
buzz lightyear said:
The forces that created these formations aren"t known Paul .
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How do you know that if you won't consider the opinion of a geologist.


If I wasn't interested in listening to theorys from a geoligical point of view I wouldn't have asked for them .
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And yet you immediately rejected them when offered.


I have presented another possibility to the list of probables and desertyeti's comments have been most welcome .
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Possibility is rather a strong word for the giant evidence-free lizard hypothesis of rock formations.


It is through disscussion and analaysis that understandings are arrived at .
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Then have a discussion and read, understand and apply some analyses.
 
I have discussed these formations with many geologists in the last 15 years , Paul .
So desertyeti's comments are what I had expected . He is making a judgement on a couple of photos and his own knowledge . The geologist that I have spoken to has a lifetime of study of these particular formations .
He is particularly interested in the markings that I call footprints . He can see that they don't look like a " natural" formation and has speculated that they are the work of the aboriginal people .

From my perspective the distribution of these marks is too great to be manmade .

Although he doesnt share my ideas on the creation of the polygongs , our agreement that the pock marks are not "natural" creates a question worth investigating .
The pic below shows examples of these indentations .

 
buzz lightyear said:
I have discussed these formations with many geologists in the last 15 years , Paul .
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And is there a consensus?


So desertyeti's comments are what I had expected .
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You reject his opinion because it agrees with the other geologists?


He is making a judgement on a couple of photos and his own knowledge .
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How else would you expect him to do it?


He is particularly interested in the markings that I call footprints . He can see that they don't look like a " natural" formation and has speculated that they are the work of the aboriginal people .

From my perspective the distribution of these marks is too great to be manmade .
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So you reject the natural and man-made ideas in favour of the mythological.


Although he doesnt share my ideas on the creation of the polygongs , our agreement that the pock marks are not "natural" creates a question worth investigating .
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Investigation and wild speculation are not the same.


The pic below shows examples of these indentations .
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Looks like weathered rock to me, nothing supernatural.

If they were the tracks of giant aboriginal lizard gods they would have really small feet and also contradict your other idea of reptile skin patterns.
 
Buzz, you seem to be ignoring my earlier questions regarding your OOB claims ...

Why don't you selftest yourself with that simple protocol?
Don't you want to know if it is real?


And here is another for you ...

Why would a 3 toed beasty go around putting pawprints in the center of all the polygons?
 
Why haven't you answered *any* of the questions about you and the pyramids and how you talked to the wrong guy? (msg #140)

Here are some of the things I called you on: What happens to the conscience of the owner of the body while you inhabit the body? Why didn't you speak to Hemon? They didn't speak English back then so how did you converse engineering concepts? So, dead people's souls go into the future? But not all the souls go to the same future since there are potentials? Please explain the Science Fiction of the 1950's when a lot of it was all-about rocket ships and space travel. Why are you looking for your aspects? Don't YOU know what YOU told people?

Why did you need to compare notes with someone you "tripped" with and then note that someone right next to you will see you just lying on the floor?

Funny how in msg #302 you say "My hypoyhises is that there is a parallel dimention , another reality interacting with the planet a fraction ahead in time ." [sic] while in msg #266 you say " This is because most people involved in research know that what is believed to be fact today can very easily become disproved tomorrow. Sorry, these guys are a bunch of wankers, aren't they? They have been ridiculous enough to suggest the possibility of parallel dimensions ." Please explain to me why you think you are not a wanker for beliving there are parallel dimensions. Wait, lemme guess, only quantum physicists are wankers.

What is your Challenge?
 
There was no concensus as to what created the polygongs Paul .

The geologists who had been on site had no idea as to exactly how they formed , those who only saw photos thought, as desertyeti did, that they were dessication cracks .

The problem with the man made origin of the indentations is the cracking around the holes as depicted in the close up pic of the polygong .
These cracks indicate that the polygong was still soft when the marks occured . The formations were very hard when aboriginals occupied the area .
It is these indentations which rule out the dessication crack theory .

And why would the "three toed beasty go around putting paw prints on the polygongs " you say Flange Desire
As I mentioned the creatue was a budding sculptor , recording aspects of its environment in its waste . In this case the most prominent thing visible would be the stars in the night sky . This is what the retired geologist speculated in the paper he wrote on the site . He noted the patterns of holes matched star patterns which were visible from that site .

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buzz lightyear said:
As I mentioned the creatue was a budding sculptor , recording aspects of its environment in its waste . In this case the most prominent thing visible would be the stars in the night sky . This is what the retired geologist speculated in the paper he wrote on the site . He noted the patterns of holes matched star patterns which were visible from that site .
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Name of said geologist and link of said paper?
 
 
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