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Bush backs Sharon Peace Proposal

demon said:
AUP:
"The Ruling Party of what? There is no Palestinian State. They are under military occupation of Israel. Now that Sharon has a broken Dubya on the end of a string to give him what he wants, there never will be a Palestine, just some Bantustan ghettos.

If you want a glimpse into the mindset of Sharon, he really said that the West Bank will now be Israels "for all eternity". You are dealing with a fanatic here, ZN."

I`ve been of a view for a long time now that I think the window for a 2 state solution has opened and closed and you have Sharon and his settlement building policy (and Barak, the Israeli dove), to thank for that. A meaningful Palestinian state is probably impossible to achieve now...they set about destroying that possibility after the Oslo Accords with the subsequent huge expansion of settlements. If that doesn`t show the bad faith and ill intent of the Israelis then I don`t know what does.

Summed it up very simply. Through all the peace negotiations, the process of creating settlements never stopped. It may well be true that Arafat bargained in bad faith, but so has Israel. The result is a monumental mess that will take years to unravel.
 
Mycroft:
"The only way I can see this as any kind of tragedy for the peace process is if in the mind of the individual there is a picture of what the end result of that peace process should look like, and this mental image is a prejudice, a preconception that colours anything that doesn’t fit as wrong. What should be remembered is that there are some ten million individuals directly involved, each of whom have equally valid mental images of what the end result should be, all these images are likely to be very different from one another, and none of them are any more valid or realistic than any arbitrary decision until it is agreed upon in good faithby representatives of both sides."

Now you are talking Mycroft...that`s one nifty little veiled justification for, and anticipation for, eretz Israel...you remember, the topic that is too anti-Semitic to mention.
 
a_unique_person said:
The UN knew it had created a monster. Ben Gurion unilaterally declared the state, out of what, thin air?
So the "UN created a monster" that "Ben Gurion unilaterally declared", AKA "Israel".... amazing a_u_p.

a_unique_person said:
The Israelis drained those awful swamps, (they are called wetlands, these days), just like Saddam did to the Marsh Arabs in Iraq.
Israel=Saddam, Marsh Arabs=Palestinians...I got ya...;)

a_unique_person said:
Modern Israel is an environmental disaster in the making. It cannot get enough water to satisfy the insane fantasy it has of creating California in the Middle East, it pollutes all it's water bodies.
Yes, and the Golan Heights glow green at night from radiation. You are a peice of work a_u_p...hahaha
 
Modern Israel is an environmental disaster in the making. It cannot get enough water to satisfy the insane fantasy it has of creating California in the Middle East, it pollutes all it's water bodies.


I did hear on NPR that they were having potable water issues.


Virgil
 
SZN
"Yes, and the Golan Heights glow green at night from radiation..."

Too true...remember those famous featherless chickens the Israeli`s said they bred on purpose? Don`t believe a word of it, they had been drinking the water!
 
zenith-nadir said:
So the "UN created a monster" that "Ben Gurion unilaterally declared", AKA "Israel".... amazing a_u_p.

Israel=Saddam, Marsh Arabs=Palestinians...I got ya...;)

Yes, and the Golan Heights glow green at night from radiation. You are a peice of work a_u_p...hahaha

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/778375.stm

Two Australian's died from just breathing in some of the Yarkon water. Normally, not a severe health problem. But when you ingest this stuff, deadly. Just one example of many.
 
zenith-nadir said:
Well when your done avoiding your chance to get rid of me forever I will remind you that Fateh is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority. Fateh has carried out suicide bombings and it's military wing Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades has ALSO carried out suicide bombings.

As I suspected, you have no Idea of what The UN is or what it can or can't do.

Do you honestly believe that the un can make resolutions directed at organisations like Fateh? Lol.... How long did it take you to build this world you live in?
 
zenith-nadir said:
If I had my way, remove Arafat and the Palestinian Authority, replace them with an international governing council that would set up palestinian elections"


and if all the existing people got elected back in, would that be acceptable?


remove the terror groups

sounds so easy.....


and administer the West Bank and Gaza properly.

cool....could you scratch down how thats done and send it to Sharon?


Then the Israelis would be forced to pull the IDF out and let the palestinians have a homeland.

why would that force them to do that? world opinion?....Israel don't care....UN resolutions?....don't care. International law?....don't care. Unless you think Israel is going to go to arabs in the future to beg for water you can only reach one conclusion... Palestinians are doomed to choose between leaving or being the underclass of a racist state. The water under thier feet is thier downfall. Israel cannot allow non jews to control it..


But that will never work. Arafat has never allowed elections since 1969 nor will he stop the terror groups, and no palestinian will allow Arafat to be removed. A catch 22 that has plagued the Palestinians for two generations.

you know until I met you I never fully realised how for decades the middle east has only been one hairy egyptian away from peace, harmony and prosperity.....whodathunkit.....
 
For those decrying Sharon's actions.

Are there any conceivable actions that he could even accidentally do in any conceivable universe that you would not declare nefarious because Sharon did them?

I can't stand nearly all the things George W. Bush has done, but I still have to give him credit for a few things, like saying publically that people without religion can be good people.
 
epepke said:
For those decrying Sharon's actions.Are there any conceivable actions that he could even accidentally do in any conceivable universe that you would not declare nefarious because Sharon did them?I can't stand nearly all the things George W. Bush has done, but I still have to give him credit for a few things, like saying publically that people without religion can be good people.
Eventhough he was elected only four years ago, Sharon is "responsible" for everything epepke.

Forget that Arafat has been the one and only leader of the palestinians since 1969, forget that Arafat attempted a coup in Jordan that killed 3000 Jordanians, forget that Arafat had U.S. Ambassador Cleo A Noel murdered and George Curtis Moore murdered because Nixon refused to release palestinian assasin Sirhan Sirhan, forget Black September, forget the Munich Olympic Massacre, forget that Arafat along with leftist-Muslim factions started a civil war in Lebanon that killed 100,000 lebanese, forget the PLO 30-year terror war against Israel that Arafat oversaw, forget the billions Arafat has stolen from International Aid funds....forget that Arafat has been kicked out of Jordan AND Lebanon and only came to the Gaza after exile in Tunisia, forget that Arafat is Egyptian and not Palestinian.....forget all that silly stuff about the "peace-maker" for the Palestinians and remember it is all Sharon's fault there is no peace between Palestinians and Israelis... ;)
 
The Fool said:
As I suspected, you have no Idea of what The UN is or what it can or can't do.Do you honestly believe that the un can make resolutions directed at organisations like Fateh? Lol.... How long did it take you to build this world you live in?
Here is how STUPID your UN argument is, first the Arabs reject UN Resolution 181 but only Israel is obligated by you to abide by UN resolutions, secondly the terror groups in the Palestinian territories have concentrated their headquarters and training facilities inside United Nations refugee camps! (UNRWA runs Rafah, Khan Younis, Jabalia, Bureij, Balata, Tulkarm, Jenin, etc). Placing militants among a civilian population is a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, yet the U.N. has continued its aid to the camps without condition.

( UNRWA is a subsidiary organ of the United Nations. The Agency's chief officer, the Commissioner-General, is appointed by the UN Secretary-General after consultation with the Advisory Commission and is the only head of a United Nations body to report directly to the General Assembly. )
 
zenith-nadir said:
Here is how STUPID your UN argument is, first the Arabs reject UN Resolution 181 but only Israel is obligated by you to abide by UN resolutions, secondly the terror groups in the Palestinian territories have concentrated their headquarters and training facilities inside United Nations refugee camps! (UNRWA runs Rafah, Khan Younis, Jabalia, Bureij, Balata, Tulkarm, Jenin, etc). Placing militants among a civilian population is a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions, yet the U.N. has continued its aid to the camps without condition.

( UNRWA is a subsidiary organ of the United Nations. The Agency's chief officer, the Commissioner-General, is appointed by the UN Secretary-General after consultation with the Advisory Commission and is the only head of a United Nations body to report directly to the General Assembly. )

Say the UN, by a majority vote, decided that the Hutu were entitled to a new country, the act of genocide against them was so horrific that they deserved to move to somewhere safe. That place was Florida. I don't care if the vote was 99% in favour, the US would meet any boatloads of Hutus with force.
 
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We are not responsible, we only want peace, don't blame us, blame the war-criminal Sharon!
 
zenith-nadir said:

We are not responsible, we only want peace, don't blame us, blame the war-criminal Sharon!

Did you happen to take those pictures yourself, or are you, perchance, violating copyright?
 
zenith-nadir said:
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We are not responsible, we only want peace, don't blame us, blame the war-criminal Sharon!

Here are some more terms you might find useful.

Following the 1967 war Israel seized East Jerusalem, forced out all of the 6,500 residing Palestinians, and bulldozed their religious centers. The UN reported that by 1971, 48 Palestinian villages were destroyed, and by 1974 the Red Cross counted almost 20,000 Palestinian homes crushed by Israeli bulldozers. The surviving refugees joined their 1948 counterparts in squalid camps. Meanwhile, Israeli leaders had come to a certain consensus about the nature of their victims, namely that they were all animals. "Two-legged beasts", "grasshoppers", "snakes", "drugged insects", "cockroaches"-terms employed not by random Israeli fanatics, but rather very well-placed ones, i.e. prime ministers, defense ministers, and so forth-have been used to describe, or rather dehumanize, Palestinians. One wonders if Israeli leadership plans on erecting zoos across the country to house the newly dispossessed 'Negroes': it would be a welcome respite from the hovels and ghettoes that comprise much of the Occupied Territories.

http://www.counterpunch.org/alam20713.html

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Mr Manifesto said:
Did you happen to take those pictures yourself, or are you, perchance, violating copyright?
I'll get back to you on that one once I consult the people who made your avatar at thismodernworld.com ....



Originally posted by a_unique_person
Here are some more terms you might find useful.
The world didn't begin in 1967 as much as you want it to a_u_p...

1950 - Jordan annexes West Bank and East Jerusalem.

1951 - King Abdullah is assassinated by Palestinian gunman on the Temple Mount.

1950 - 1967 - Jordan denies jews access to the Temple Mount and to the cemetery on the Mount of Olives, gravestones from the Mount of Olives cemetery were used by the engineer corps of the Jordanian Arab Legion as pavement and latrines in army camps, Jordan constructs a slum within a few feet of the base of the Western Wall and uses the area as a garbage dump, the ancient Jewish Quarter of the Old City was ravaged, 58 Jerusalem synagogues - some centuries old - were destroyed or ruined, others were turned into stables and chicken coops, Jordan converts some churches into mosques, Christians are subjected to various restrictions, with only limited numbers allowed to visit the Old City and Bethlehem at Christmas and Easter, Jordan also passes laws imposing strict government control on Christian schools, including restrictions on the opening of new schools; state controls over school finances and appointment of teachers and requirements that the Koran be taught. No palestinian state is ever discussed for the West Bank with Jerusalem as it's capital.

1967 - Jordan ignored Israeli pleas to stay out of the Six-Day War and attacked the western part of the city. The Jordanians were routed by Israeli forces and driven out of east Jerusalem, allowing the city's unity to be restored. Israel abolishes all the discriminatory laws promulgated by Jordan and adopted its own tough standard for safeguarding access to religious shrines.



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So if Israel forced out all of the 6,500 residing Palestinians, and bulldozed their religious centers a_u_p who are the 200,000 palestinians living in East Jerusalem today? A Mossad plot? They really aren't there? It's all a lie perpetuated by Sharon? They are jews dressed up as 200,000 palestinians? Or maybe M. Junaid Alam of Counterpunch is just as full of B.S. as you are....
 
originally posted ny epekeAre there any conceivable actions that he could even accidentally do in any conceivable universe that you would not declare nefarious because Sharon did them?

There are many things Sharon could do which would be widely welcomed. Amongst the many things he could do are: He could treat the Palestinians as a normal democratic society should.
He could stop collectively punishing an entire group of people.
He could stop assassinating untried people in a way that guarantees the deaths of innocent children.
Etc etc.
 
originally posted by zenith-nadirEventhough he was elected only four years ago, Sharon is "responsible" for everything epepke.

Perhaps you could tell us who claims this? Apart from you.
 

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