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Huntster said:
What an idiot! You're so focused on your anti-Bible ideology you seem to forget that there are other people/religions/histories out there:


Science "accepts" that there were floods, and it proves that there was no flood?
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Of course science accepts that there have been floods. We see them even today for various reasons, not all of which have to do with climate. Yes, there are floods in many parts of the world, though not all, so it is not surprising that especially big ones are remembered.

All of this has to do with the flood in Genesis is that people remember floods. It does not show that there was a flood that destroyed all land life except that which was on the Ark. Such a proposition is ludicrous for so many reasons that it would take pages to list them all.

The point is that even if the biblilcal flood story is based on a true story of a very large flood, that does not make the biblical story true in most respects. Again, I am eager to explain some of the reasons why. One of them relates to the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary. Fascinating stuff, at least for a geologist.

So are you interested in learning, or do you just want to swap insults? I can do that too!:D
 
Huntster said:
No, thanks.

I think I'd prefer charming a cobra.
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Odd choice. Since you keep bringing up the Bering Strait/Isthmus, I would have thought you had some actual interest in how it came to be.

Knowledge is not like venom, Huntster, though I won't say it is harmless. It could cause you to be forced to deal with the liklihood that many of the things you have believed for so long are not true. But wouldn't you want to know if you were believing things that aren't true?
 
Tricky said:
If you would like this explained, I'd be glad to do so. I love geology and earth history.
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Don’t confuse his battle of words with facts, his mind is made up, you want him to explain what his god was doing for 13.7 billion years before his so-called god's butt kissers showed up.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
Don’t confuse his battle of words with facts, his mind is made up, you want him to explain what his god was doing for 13.7 billion years before his so-called god's butt kissers showed up.
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In my experience, Huntster has strong opinions, but is not beyond reason. But he doesn't respond well to being attacked or having his religion belittled. He attacks back. If you can somehow get beyond that, you can have a civil discussion. Of course, it is up to you to decide if it is worth the effort.
 
That may be true, but in truth, it is not just his religion. Also with just one subject, the flood that they love so much along with many others, can be blown away on many fronts. But facts are not an interest of the very religious, the only need they have is to have an in with their so-called god, that is all that counts, and if twisting the facts helps, so be it, after all they have their so-called god behind them and might makes right, or does it.

Paul

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Oh, my 7 days and nights (they never talk about their so-called god's night life) gone to waste, ohhhhh the pain.

Paul

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Tricky said:
In my experience, Huntster has strong opinions, but is not beyond reason. But he doesn't respond well to being attacked or having his religion belittled. He attacks back. If you can somehow get beyond that, you can have a civil discussion. Of course, it is up to you to decide if it is worth the effort.
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I've always been civil and I have always been honest. I've never attacked him. I have told about what is in the bible and he doesn't like that.
 
RandFan said:
I've always been civil and I have always been honest. I've never attacked him. I have told about what is in the bible and he doesn't like that.
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RF, you are a great guy and all, but you ain't no master of tact (he says, tactlessly). One of the primary contentions that most nonbelievers make is that the Bible is not something that is consistant or straightforward. So it is not exactly clear what is in the bible. It seems to me you can take out of it whatever you want. Now what that says to me is that the bible is of scant use as a source of wisdom. But to Huntster, et. al., to try to tell them "what the Bible says" is an attack on their religion. Once that happens, hopes for civility are slim.

Also, it depends on his mood.
 
Tricky said:
to try to tell them "what the Bible says" is an attack on their religion. Once that happens, hopes for civility are slim.
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There are about 1,500 different church detonations in the states alone, they are already attacking each other on their religious believes.

Paul

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RandFan said:
I've always been civil and I have always been honest. I've never attacked him. I have told about what is in the bible and he doesn't like that.
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You get passionate and direct in your debates, which can easily be missinterpreted as attacks. But don't let that stop you. I've enjoyed your posts so far.:)
 
Tricky said:
RF, you are a great guy and all, but you ain't no master of tact (he says, tactlessly).
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I would say that I'm uneven. Perhaps not a master but most certainly not bereft. It depends on who it is that I'm having a discussion with.

To be honest, I'm probably similar in many ways to Huntster. Like him I can be emotional and that can cloud my thinking. When I feel backed into a corner I will fight passionately for what I believe in. So I really do understand him to a degree.

One of the primary contentions that most nonbelievers make is that the Bible is not something that is consistant or straightforward. So it is not exactly clear what is in the bible. It seems to me you can take out of it whatever you want. Now what that says to me is that the bible is of scant use as a source of wisdom. But to Huntster, et. al., to try to tell them "what the Bible says" is an attack on their religion. Once that happens, hopes for civility are slim.
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Why do people who do give up faith do so? It's complex. Who knows exactly? At present, no one.

I gave up my faith in large part because of the ambiguous messages in the bible, the contradictions, the stark brutality of people like Moses. One can understand Moses from an historical perspective to some degree. One cannot understand Moses as an emissary of god committing genocide. There is a disconnect there. Those ambiguous messages and contradictions were like a cluttered back room in my mind that kept reminding me that they needed tidying up. However my subconscious could not clean them up so I kept using silly clichés and justifications to suppress them as best I could but they kept nagging at me. When I finally was willing to confront them in a critical manner the walls of my belief came down.

No strategy is 100% or always immediate.

So, my tact is to be honest but also fair and civil. If I often lack tact then so be it. I will push buttons but only in an honest way. If one accepts that the bible is correct and is the inspired word of god then one cannot escape the fact that Moses was a genocidal prick who murdered children in the name of god. I understand why that causes discomfort. I was once a believer. I've seen the 10 commandments at least 50 times and I can recite many passages to you from memory. Moses was a hero of mine.
 
RandFan said:
I would say that I'm uneven. Perhaps not a master but most certainly not bereft. It depends on who it is that I'm having a discussion with.

To be honest, I'm probably similar in many ways to Huntster. Like him I can be emotional and that can cloud my thinking. When I feel backed into a corner I will fight passionately for what I believe in. So I really do understand him to a degree.
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LOL. Yeah, I remember. To your credit though, you recogninzed this and have made a conscious effort not to argue like that. But I'm sure when you see somebody else doing it, you get all nostalgic and jump right in with guns a-blazing.;)
 
Tricky said:
LOL. Yeah, I remember. To your credit though, you recogninzed this and have made a conscious effort not to argue like that. But I'm sure when you see somebody else doing it, you get all nostalgic and jump right in with guns a-blazing.;)
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Like John Cleese as Sir Lancelot. "Sorry, I'm really sorry. I just can't help myself." :D
 
Foster Zygote

Yes it is a good avatar, to bad he just died.

Paul

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I can no longer watch the movie and not think of that. :(
 
RandFan said:
I love your avatar. Another great that will be missed. :(
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I tried to find a picture of him with that happy little bemused look on his face just before he realizes that his flaming thumb hurts like hell. His little "Hmmm, that's nice" look just kills me.

You might want to add "Sgt. Hulka, does this mean we're done for the day?" to your sig.:)
 
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