Brexit: the referendum

cullennz said:
Was thinking the same thing.

The UK aren't going to want having a skint independent Scotland sitting up the road
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A skint UK will have it's own problems to worry about and Scotland really doesn't want to be shackled to a skint and isolationist England down the road, thanks very much.
 
An MP not far from us (but not our area) has tweeted: "It's the greatest mis-selling scandal in history. When Brexiter organised negotiation doesn't deliver Leave voters will be rightly furious."

Pretty much somes up how many of us a thinking.
 
theprestige said:
Unilaterally gainsaying the declaration seems like the obvious and definitive counter-move.
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Well, they could ignore the decleration but that wouldn't stop them forming an independent government and ignoring Westminster.
History shows that they would be successful, I wouldn't see Westminster trying to use force.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Well, they could ignore the decleration but that wouldn't stop them forming an independent government and ignoring Westminster.
History shows that they would be successful, I wouldn't see Westminster trying to use force.
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The favoured example is that of the dissolution of the Union of Sweden and Norway
Following some months of tension and fear of war between the neighbouring nations – and a Norwegian plebiscite held on 13 August which overwhelmingly backed dissolution – negotiations between the two governments led to Sweden's recognition of Norway as an independent constitutional monarchy on 26 October 1905.​
In the UK there is of course no fear of war, between Scotland and England at all events, so the process is even more tranquil than in Scandinavia in 1905. The required common element is a clearly conclusive plebiscite.
 
I miss the good old days when England would just invade Scotland and take it back again

Braveheart and all that.
 
cullennz said:
I miss the good old days when England would just invade Scotland and take it back again

Braveheart and all that.
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Hey,they tried that with the United States.Did not work out too well.Ask generals Burgoyne at Saratoga and Cornwallis at Yorktown about that.....
 
MikeG said:
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I must be misunderstanding. Are you saying there has been no UK Independence Party for them to vote for?........
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Sorry, I should have said "mainstream" or "electable" or "non-fringe" or somesuch.
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It's almost like Bernie Sanders got all this support out of nowhere. It's not like American voters didn't already have a dozen socialist parties to choose from.
 
The Atheist said:
Given predictions of recession, I imagine England would be quite happy to wave goodbye to the Scots' economy. It would reduce the deficit considerably.

How Scotland would pay their bills would be their problem.

The idea isn't really worth consideration.
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Is the sky pink in opposite world?
 
Craig B said:
The favoured example is that of the dissolution of the Union of Sweden and Norway
Following some months of tension and fear of war between the neighbouring nations – and a Norwegian plebiscite held on 13 August which overwhelmingly backed dissolution – negotiations between the two governments led to Sweden's recognition of Norway as an independent constitutional monarchy on 26 October 1905.​
In the UK there is of course no fear of war, between Scotland and England at all events, so the process is even more tranquil than in Scandinavia in 1905. The required common element is a clearly conclusive plebiscite.
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Had that. You may have missed it. Voted against independence.
 
Planigale said:
Had that. You may have missed it. Voted against independence.
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Considering one major plank of that was the UK remaining in the EU, only for England and Wales essentially dragging Scotland out of it a scant couple of years later, that vote is rightly now considered inconclusive north of the border.
 
Planigale said:
Had that. You may have missed it. Voted against independence.
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No, I was very much there. And I still am. We were told if we voted Yes, it was goodbye to the EU. Now things have changed, haven't they? We stay, we lose the EU.

If you win support by offering a deal, and then you withdraw the deal, you may lose the support. Overall it took Norway almost a century to end the Union with Sweden, gradually acquiring more autonomy over that long period.

If Scots want independence, and vote for it, we will get it. But if we don't vote conclusively for it, we won't. And we are entitled to vote as and when the conditions that informed our previous decision disappear and are replaced by different ones.

Do you not realise just how significant Brexit is?
 
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