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"Michel Barnier doubled down on Brussels' demand that fishing rights be linked to trade in the Brexit deal on Friday and warned the UK and EU were at the "moment of truth" in the negotiations.

Brussels wants the power to freeze British companies, and especially the fishing industry, out of the Brexit trade deal and the Single Market, if EU fishermen are shut out of UK waters in the future.

The EU's chief negotiator said it was "unacceptable" that Britain could cut off access to UK waters but keep the benefits of the trade deal with the bloc. He said that would not be “fair” or “honest”.

Most fish landed in Britain is exported. About 75 percent of exports including herring, cond, shellfish, mackerel and salmon, goes to the EU market. The shellfish industry is totally dependent on the EU market and would be badly hit by tariffs.

Both sides agree on the need for a transition period to bring in the new fishing arrangements, which gives EU fishermen time to adapt and the UK time to build up its fleet but are divided over the length and how it will work"

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brussels-wants-hit-uk-tariffs-094531814.html
 
gypsyjackson said:
At one point, possibly up to today, the UK imported bulk mild cheddar from Lithuania (among others), which companies then cut up and packaged. Under WTO place of last processing rules, that was then legally sold as made in UK.

So Finland should have a nearby source of a certain type of UK cheddar.

ETA - I looked up the figures for UK imports of cheese:

https://www.trademap.org/Country_SelProductCountry.aspx?nvpm=1|826||||0406|||4|1|1|1|1||2|1|1|1

Lithuania still in top 20 for exporters to the UK. Ever seen Lithuanian cheese marked as such for sale in the UK? Any of the countries you wouldn’t recognise from the supermarket shelves presumably export for either repackaging under WTO rules or entry to the catering/food processing sector.
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I didn't know they were allowed to do that. I looked up a supermarket's cheddar stock. Top is 'Pirkka Parhaat Cheddar' (own brand 'best' cheddar) country of origin: Great Britain. Then comes Finnish produced Valio Juhla cheddar (party/celebration cheddar), Cathedral City Extra Mature (from Great Britain) then Mini BabyBell cheddar from France and then three different types of Cahill's Irish Cheddar.


My personal favourite is a vintage cheddar from a farm in Somerset, from another supermarket. I am not one to worry about price, but if the British cheeses increase in price, one may as well buy the more expensive 'luxury' cheddar (Valio) as being better quality.
 
RolandRat said:
"Michel Barnier doubled down on Brussels' demand that fishing rights be linked to trade in the Brexit deal on Friday and warned the UK and EU were at the "moment of truth" in the negotiations.

Brussels wants the power to freeze British companies, and especially the fishing industry, out of the Brexit trade deal and the Single Market, if EU fishermen are shut out of UK waters in the future.

The EU's chief negotiator said it was "unacceptable" that Britain could cut off access to UK waters but keep the benefits of the trade deal with the bloc. He said that would not be “fair” or “honest”.

Most fish landed in Britain is exported. About 75 percent of exports including herring, cond, shellfish, mackerel and salmon, goes to the EU market. The shellfish industry is totally dependent on the EU market and would be badly hit by tariffs.

Both sides agree on the need for a transition period to bring in the new fishing arrangements, which gives EU fishermen time to adapt and the UK time to build up its fleet but are divided over the length and how it will work"

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/brussels-wants-hit-uk-tariffs-094531814.html
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AIUI Barnier has increased the EU offer from 16% to 18%, which Johnson claims is unacceptable and wants 60% back (was 80%). My take is that Johnson is just looking for an excuse for a no-deal which he can present to an angry public as the recalcitrance of the EU.
 
RolandRat quoting an articke said:
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Brussels wants the power to freeze British companies, and especially the fishing industry, out of the Brexit trade deal and the Single Market, if EU fishermen are shut out of UK waters in the future.
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I see this type of thing a lot from Brexiteers. The very ones who demand sovereignty for the UK and the ability to make our own decisions (we always have had that ability), are outraged or shocked when the EU exercises its sovereignty.
Brussels doesn't "want" the power to freeze British companies out of the trade deal, It "can" freeze British companies out of the trade deal.
 
Lothian said:
I see this type of thing a lot from Brexiteers. The very ones who demand sovereignty for the UK and the ability to make our own decisions (we always have had that ability), are outraged or shocked when the EU exercises its sovereignty.
Brussels doesn't "want" the power to freeze British companies out of the trade deal, It "can" freeze British companies out of the trade deal.
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Of course, Brussels can ask for whatever it wants - and it may yet get it. But asking for the rights to fish 80% or more of an independent country's territorial waters for many years to come is an unprecedented step in trade negotiation.
 
ceptimus said:
Of course, Brussels can ask for whatever it wants - and it may yet get it. But asking for the rights to fish 80% or more of an independent country's territorial waters for many years to come is an unprecedented step in trade negotiation.
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So is asking for full access to a free market without contributing or sticking to the rules of that market.
However the point as you realise is that either side is free to ask what they want. Those criticising the EU for exercising their freedom while demanding the EU respects the UK is an independent state are hypocrites.
 
Lothian said:
So is asking for full access to a free market without contributing or sticking to the rules of that market.
However the point as you realise is that either side is free to ask what they want. Those criticising the EU for exercising their freedom while demanding the EU respects the UK is an independent state are hypocrites.
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Perhaps it would be better for the UK to see if we could “join” the EU, it appears we are unable to get what we need so we might as well get the benefits that membership would give us?
 
ceptimus said:
an unprecedented step in trade negotiation.
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Leaving the EU is an unprecedented step also. This is a trade deal like no other. An FTA between the EU and a former member.

Of course you will have thought this out before you voted to leave... did you not see this coming? How does it all play out in your sunlit uplands scenario?
 
Carrot Flower King said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eady-for-no-deal-says-brexit-select-committee

So, this shower of faecal matter we call a government have had FOUR AND A HALF YEARS to not sort out the thing that they landed us with. WTAF have any or all of them been doing in that time?
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A lot of that time has been spent working towards the deal d'jour.
I have had a quite a few messages saying "Ok, bin everything you have been doing and start work towards this". So much wasted work.
Vote Leave had the order right, they said negotiate a new deal then serve article 50. Although I recall they thought a deal could easily be agreed in 2 years. Clueless.

Heard one of the UK negotiators the other day. He said we obviously had the far weeker hand when you looked at the numbers, we also lacked experienced negotiators. We are getting badly beaten up in the negotiations. Our only tactic has been to try to divide and conquer.
We have been trying to get Merkel and Macron to intervene and ask the EU's negotiators to ease up. They are having none of it.
Apparently, the dinner Boris had he other night with Von der Leyen didn't involve the issues in dispute. It was just Boris begging for Barnier to be replaced by someone less good at their job.
 
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ceptimus said:
Of course, Brussels can ask for whatever it wants - and it may yet get it. But asking for the rights to fish 80% or more of an independent country's territorial waters for many years to come is an unprecedented step in trade negotiation.
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How do you suggest the fish caught by the independent country after 1 Jan 2021 gets sold? We catch the fish to sell the fish. As Brits don't eat that much fish, what do you propose to do with the excess fish that we caught to sell?
 
Vixen said:
How do you suggest the fish caught by the independent country after 1 Jan 2021 gets sold? We catch the fish to sell the fish. As Brits don't eat that much fish, what do you propose to do with the excess fish that we caught to sell?
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You're forgetting that to your average Little-Englander Brexiteer fish means Cod, Salmon and maybe Haddock at a stretch. The rest is a bunch of foreign muck that no self-respecting English fisherman would cast a net for.
 
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The EU has made clear they do not want a fair free trade agreement. They want to control our laws, stop us backing our business, and take our fish. Time for an independent UK.
 
Outrage on Twitter and other social media about lorry drivers leaving the UK not being allowed to take their ham sandwiches with them because if 'EU rules'
 
Garrison said:
You're forgetting that to your average Little-Englander Brexiteer fish means Cod, Salmon and maybe Haddock at a stretch. The rest is a bunch of foreign muck that no self-respecting English fisherman would cast a net for.
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How are they going to get rid of it at a mark up of 60%?

Most supermarkets run on a mark-up of just 1%- 2% on high turnover perishable foods (such as vegetables and stuff). It works, because everybody needs the supermarkets and they have fantastic turnovers. A 25% return on unneeded fish sounds generous to me. Perhaps ceptimus can explain to all of us what should be done with all the fish the 'independent country' will be stuck with? Remember, we catch the fish to sell the fish.
 
ohms said:
In this case, it appears to be a genuine issue as once we have left the EU we will no longer have the biosecurity exemptions. This Guardian story has some details and a link to the relevant EU legislation and government advice:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/18/lorry-drivers-heading-to-eu-face-ham-sandwich-ban

Still waiting for those sunlit uplands.
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There's always fish! It doesn't mention you can't take fish!

This made me laugh although I shouldn't:

The ban on sandwiches and other food is one more issue for drivers, who face a range of new rules from 1 January including having to produce a Kent access permit for international journeys through the county.
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Who would have thunk it, a Kent passport. It had better be blue.

The European commission says the restrictions are part of maintaining a biosecure border. “Personal goods containing meat, milk or their products brought into the EU continue to present a real threat to animal health throughout the union. It is known, for example, that dangerous pathogens that cause animal diseases such as foot-and-mouth disease and classical swine fever can reside in meat, milk or their products,” it said.

The rules will permit the transit of sweets and chocolate, preserving the long association between truckers and Yorkie bars.

UK officials told transport representatives this week that the ban included “products that are store-bought or homemade”.
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Bloody officious gits. Wait till they get our gunboats up'em.
 
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