Brexit: Now What? Part III

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The Don said:
If that is the case, getting as many bites of the cherry as is required to get a strongly Brexit-phile government is democracy in action whereas having a second go at the Brexit referendum, now that "project fear" seems to have been largely correct, is somehow undermining the democratic will of the people :rolleyes:
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Can't be all that important an intervention if it's only going to delay things a couple of weeks.
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I took away from the article a strong suggestion that May's intervention would do more than just delay the next round of talks for one week, and that also its contents would quite upset the negotiations. But I may have been reading too much between the lines.


Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Upgrade to chocolate hob nobs in the meeting rooms?

David Davis to be replaced by Noel Fielding?
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Anything would be better, wouldn't it?

Archie Gemmill Goal said:
She's finally recovered from the bump on the head she received a few years ago, realised she's been in a dream for the past while, come to her senses and has decided to scrap the whole sorry business, develop a conscience and stop being a petty vindictive little witch?
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:D

No, I think she's just going to tell them what a wonderful holiday she had, with pictures of her walking over Alpine meadows. Singing. And naked.

Now try to scrub that mental image from your brain. :D
 
Darat said:
But you posted that the job was now paying £25,000? :confused:
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Trust me. I had to tolerate the job market for a couple of months. Plus I had to log into Universal government website every day.

A couple of 'group interviews' (ugh!) revealed I was the only Brit there as was an offer of being an intern where the job I wanted was held by an East European on a terrible salary.


I have no problem with the movement of free labour and I know immigrants face terrible prejudice and low pay. I was just saying, for the first time I understood the resentment of being undercut by cheap labour. I didn't say I condoned it!

To err is human.
 
ddt said:
Sounds like a combination you'd choke on. You're on a roll, aren't you? :)
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It was one of those afternoons. BTW broken custard creams and chocolate chip cookies mixed with custard and slathered with cream is excellent. No flakes however.
 
ddt said:
What if the Republic doesn't have to pay for the Renewable Heat Incentive debacle? :p
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Hey our RHI is different from their RHI (and indeed the UK's RHI which again has different rules not designed to subsidise DUP supporters. Well not yet anyway.)

ddt said:
Yep, ordinarily you don't get to vote on individual bills. Ceptimus also conveniently "forgets" that Britons get to vote, with a fair PR system, for their own MEPs.
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Mere facts. Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.
 
ddt said:
Compared to the death penalty for gays and for Catholics, yes.

(I may have conflated a couple of points of their agenda, I'm not sure)
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Ah, the GOD of "Save Ulster from Sodomy".

Strawberry said:
I don't think they actually want the death penalty for Catholics, just a return to the days of the penal laws when Catholics weren't allowed to vote, own anything or live anywhere near a town.
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You mean 1967?

Also don't forget closing pubs on Easter Sunday. And closing playgrounds on Sundays.
And engaging in prolonged legal action to prevent golfing on Sunday too. If necessary reducing local government services to pay for the prosecution of anyone using the council golf course, swimming pools, boating lake, public parks, a pitch-and-putt course and ski slope on Sundays.
 
The Don said:
If that is the case, getting as many bites of the cherry as is required to get a strongly Brexit-phile government is democracy in action whereas having a second go at the Brexit referendum, now that "project fear" seems to have been largely correct, is somehow undermining the democratic will of the people :rolleyes:
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OT but that phrase bugs me. Seriously, how many nibbles can you take from a cherry? The bloody things are tiny.
 
catsmate said:
OT but that phrase bugs me. Seriously, how many nibbles can you take from a cherry? The bloody things are tiny.
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I think that's the whole point. Attempting to take two bites out of a cherry is an indication that you're already pushing things.
 
One wonders if she is going to simply say - no agreement we'll go with WTO and invoke good old British bulldog spirit!
 
Darat said:
One wonders if she is going to simply say - no agreement we'll go with WTO and invoke good old British bulldog spirit!
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I wouldn't put it past her, but I really hope not :(

Reverting to WTO terms would be a heck of a shock to the economy and the damage to a lot of sectors would be considerable.

Even if we were to revert to WTO terms, there are basic logistical issues around customs which would prove to be a real pain, especially in light of how much we import, especially food, fuel and supply chain components for our industries.
 
The Don said:
Even if we were to revert to WTO terms, there are basic logistical issues around customs which would prove to be a real pain, especially in light of how much we import, especially food, fuel and supply chain components for our industries.
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Er, surely customs checks on imports are as onerous as we want to make them?
 
Aber said:
Er, surely customs checks on imports are as onerous as we want to make them?
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As far as EU imports go at best they will be at least as stringent as they are today - indications however are that at least a six-fold increase in customs activity is expected.

For sure we could have completely open customs but I'm not sure if that's compatible with WTO terms.
 
Aber said:
Er, surely customs checks on imports are as onerous as we want to make them?
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I guess you could make the customs checks very shoddy in order to keep imports coming, but then you still have a huge problem with the exports.
 
At least Labour is intending to vote against the Great Repeal Bill (source: Independent). Not that it will matter much as long as the Tories keep the ranks closed.

As you may recall, this bill intends to take away parliamentary scrutiny over the part of the Brexit process that repeals a whole lot of UK laws that were a consequence of EU directives. And as we've all seen in this thread, the Brexit side is the side that wants to give the power to decide back to the people, so to take away scrutiny from the people's elected MPs and to let this massive repeal be decided in the backrooms of government is totally in line with that philosophy. :rolleyes:
 
If it was good enough for that well known campaigner for worker's rights Henry VIII it's good enough for me!
 
ddt said:
At least Labour is intending to vote against the Great Repeal Bill (source: Independent). Not that it will matter much as long as the Tories keep the ranks closed.
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That's not entirely a given. They have a margin of error of two seats but can hope for about ten, thanks to Sinn Fein. If there are ten Tory parlimentarians who would want to either derail Brexit or at least torpedo Theresa May, things could well get problematic.

McHrozni
 
Don't know whether this is true - it is after all a leaked report - but it seems that, post-Brexit, preference will be given to UK workers which means that:

  • Recruitment processes will likely be more expensive and take longer as firms have to jump through hurdles to demonstrate that there are no local candidates
  • The quality of the labour force will drop as employers are compelled to take less capable UK workers
  • Any hope of membership of EEA whether temporary or permanent goes out of the window

The BBC report refers to unskilled workers. I'm not sure whether skilled and semi-skilled workers will be exempt from the scheme, whether different restrictions will be applied or whether the government simply haven't got round to thinking properly about them.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=316610

I'm sure that there are some benefits somewhere, but I'm struggling to find them :(
 
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