Hm. To call this one fake news would be to give it undue credit. It's ******** Fake News.
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Hm. To call this one fake news would be to give it undue credit. It's ******** Fake News.
McHrozni
It is also more than 18 months old so it's not just fake news, it's old fake news
Stupid censorship eliminated a fairly important additional adjective which had to do with the feces of a male B.Taurus.
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It's an example of a lie from the leave campaigners that got huge coverage during the referendum campaign.
If you like fantasy. The first question I would ask the author in this scenario is how Scotland copes with the millions of refugee English that would presumably be seeking asylum in this apocalyptic dream (has someone been reading the book of revelations?)
If you think Brexit case had lies this is the worst sort of case for remain it is so false that it makes me think that if this is best argument remainers have then they have none!
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Pesky foreigners, coming over here, filling vital roles in vital public services. Honestly, the cheek of 'em.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk
"The Welsh NHS Confederation, which represents the health boards and trusts, called for long-term workforce planning to meet the nation's health and social care needs.
It warned that the NHS across the UK was "heavily reliant" on EU and other overseas workers."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk
"The Welsh NHS Confederation, which represents the health boards and trusts, called for long-term workforce planning to meet the nation's health and social care needs.
It warned that the NHS across the UK was "heavily reliant" on EU and other overseas workers."
asydhouse
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If you think that's the best argument for remaining in the EU you must have your head firmly inserted up your backside. You just don't care, do you? You have ignored everything the experts have said. The arrogance of your minority of voters who swung a stupid vote for a bs vision of lies and myths.
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And after that?
It's overboard on all levels, roughly comparable to what counts as analysis on the Brexitard side.
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I agree, it does seem a little downbeat, even for me
That's a fairly impressive bar, actually.
McHrozni
I'm guessing something involving Unicorns and fairy dust.
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Its not really a case for remain is it. It's just someone playing out an extreme scenario. As for refugees. Presumably English ones would be happy being treated they way they suggest everyone else is. Face down in the North Sea for them then.
Probably the same way the Roman emperor Hadrian used to solve a similar issue back in the day.
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Bloomberg has a sober analysis. By all accounts UK cabinet has no idea what it intends to achieve in negotiations.
This part is particularly stinging:
What is May willing to offer the EU?
The U.K. could offer some cash, though not much, to compensate for the budgetary loss of its departure. May has also indicated that if talks turn sour then current joint work on security, intelligence and military collaboration could stop, but does she really mean it?
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ns-of-brexit-what-theresa-may-still-won-t-say
All the talk is about what will UK secure from EU, as if it is about to impose an unequal treaty. Fact of the matter is that will require consent from 28 states, some of whom individually roughly match the UK and who are collectively as powerful as any state or organization on the planet - and it's not like they don't know it either. Plus they have strong political and economic incentives for Brexit to be hard on UK. Political because this keeps the Union stronger and economic because businesses moving from UK will most likely move to a EU country instead.
The best British hope for assistance in this dire situation is ... Donald Trump. A president who is not only haunted by conflicts of interest and scandals in the first month of his presidency, but also whose only consistent wow is America first. The only way UK can realistically hope for meaningful assistance from him is if it applies for membership in USA. I would recommend becoming a federal territory in that case, since it would become a major tax heaven.
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This part is particularly stinging:
What is May willing to offer the EU?
The U.K. could offer some cash, though not much, to compensate for the budgetary loss of its departure. May has also indicated that if talks turn sour then current joint work on security, intelligence and military collaboration could stop, but does she really mean it?
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...ns-of-brexit-what-theresa-may-still-won-t-say
All the talk is about what will UK secure from EU, as if it is about to impose an unequal treaty. Fact of the matter is that will require consent from 28 states, some of whom individually roughly match the UK and who are collectively as powerful as any state or organization on the planet - and it's not like they don't know it either. Plus they have strong political and economic incentives for Brexit to be hard on UK. Political because this keeps the Union stronger and economic because businesses moving from UK will most likely move to a EU country instead.
The best British hope for assistance in this dire situation is ... Donald Trump. A president who is not only haunted by conflicts of interest and scandals in the first month of his presidency, but also whose only consistent wow is America first. The only way UK can realistically hope for meaningful assistance from him is if it applies for membership in USA. I would recommend becoming a federal territory in that case, since it would become a major tax heaven.
McHrozni
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Not bored. Never bored.,
It's certainly true, in the same way that if China becomes a full EU member, Chinese people will have the same right.
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The valid bit of your post is highlighted. Given that Turkey doesn't meet a number of requirements of EU membership at the moment. Further even if it did meet the requirements any member state can veto membership so if it was such a concern to the UK it could veto Turkey's membership rather than vote to leave the EU and then go and instantly try to set up trade deals with Turkey. And further even if no veto was applied and Turkey did eventually join the EU transitional arrangement on freedom of movement are available.
So given that the likelihood of Turkey joining the EU during the lifetime of the average Brexit voter (or even the lifetime of the average toddler) is close as makes no difference to zero the whole thing was such an obvious red herring. Yet it was repeated endlessly by the towering figures of integrity leading the leave campaign (I include the tabloid press in that group).
And the way Turkey is currently moving under Erdogan, the already tiny chance of them joining the EU in anything approximating the near future has shrunk to, let's be honest, nothing.
And, as Mid says, we had a veto...and freedom of movement is restricted initially. Well, it can be. Of course the UK might have decided (as it did when the eastern countries joined up) to not actually apply any. You know...our government...what we voted for...that we've left the EU apparently because we wanted to hand power back to Westminster to restrict migration...the same Westminster that allowed free movement from the get-go when they had an option not to.
It's just all utter, utter bollocks.
And, as Mid says, we had a veto...and freedom of movement is restricted initially. Well, it can be. Of course the UK might have decided (as it did when the eastern countries joined up) to not actually apply any. You know...our government...what we voted for...that we've left the EU apparently because we wanted to hand power back to Westminster to restrict migration...the same Westminster that allowed free movement from the get-go when they had an option not to.
It's just all utter, utter bollocks.
Exactly!
Of course it's vanishingly unlikely that China will ever become a member, but before Erdoğan's recent excesses Turkey was moving in the direction of joining and Prime Minister Cameron was spending UK taxpayers' money to help Turkey along with the process.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-of-risking-national-security-by-helping-fu/
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