Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[jimbob]

Clear progress as May goes an entire day with the same cabinet...

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MAY: Anything in the morning papers?
LIDINGTON: Rees-Mogg says the ERG have almost got enough letters in
MAY: Ha! He said that on Friday too. Have you ever been to an ERG meeting?
LIDINGTON: God no
MAY: It's like someone injected liquefied YouTube comments into some ham

2:15 AM - 19 Nov 2018

Michael Gove as an eldritch abomination is inspired - in side conversations, Garius is calling him GoveThulu.

 

[Craig4]

What is May's objection to a new referendum? After showing the world that genies go unwillingly back into bottles, why not ask the citizens if they really want to keep trying to force the cork when it clearly won't fit.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

What is May's objection to a new referendum? After showing the world that genies go unwillingly back into bottles, why not ask the citizens if they really want to keep trying to force the cork when it clearly won't fit.

Because that is how democracy works ! You ask the voters something one time and then NEVER again.

 

[Greebo]

What is May's objection to a new referendum? After showing the world that genies go unwillingly back into bottles, why not ask the citizens if they really want to keep trying to force the cork when it clearly won't fit.

Because leaving is the "will of the people" ^TM

 

[Filippo Lippi]

The will of people who might split, and/or donate to, the Tory party; the most important people

 

[Wudang]

What is May's objection to a new referendum? After showing the world that genies go unwillingly back into bottles, why not ask the citizens if they really want to keep trying to force the cork when it clearly won't fit.

Because after messing up every job she's had she has tied her career firmly to Brexit and the only way she sees to continue to have a career is to push on.

 

[Craig4]

Because after messing up every job she's had she has tied her career firmly to Brexit and the only way she sees to continue to have a career is to push on.

I take it that in cricket, there's no tradition of leaning into the strike zone and taking one for the team.

 

[3point14]

I take it that in cricket, there's no tradition of leaning into the strike zone and taking one for the team.

There are a couple of decent parallels to that in cricket.

However, if I were 99 not out and there was a running mishap, I would no more expect May to sacrifice her wicket than I would expect the moon to fall and the sea to rise.

 

[Wudang]

I take it that in cricket, there's no tradition of leaning into the strike zone and taking one for the team.

I'm not sure that the concept "team" could be applied to the current Conservative party.

 

[Henri McPhee]

In all this non-stop Brexit waffle on TV, pundits are continually saying that eighty percent of the economy is financial services. That may apply to London and the Home Counties, and perhaps Edinburgh in Scotland, but not so much to places like Birmingham, or Grimsby, or Wales and Northern Ireland.
The matter is discussed at this website:

http:///blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/20...nd-unilateral-free-trade-share-the-same-flaw/

The problem for the UK is that it is scarily competitive in services and pretty mediocre in goods. Among major economic players the UK has the largest share of services in its total exports (44 percent compared with, say, 34 percent for the USA, 31 for Singapore and 28 for the EU). Most countries welcome access to UK goods markets and fear (rightly) that if they open up their service markets to the UK, the competition will be fierce. So, if the UK cannot offer the former in return for the latter, it is not generally an attractive prospect for a trade agreement.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I take it that in cricket, there's no tradition of leaning into the strike zone and taking one for the team.

Ian Botham and Bob Willis once conspired to get Geoff Boycott (team captain at the time) run out in a test match.

Does that count?

 

[Wudang]

From https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/2214577345533665

Amber Rudd on the Today Prog gave the game away this morning about how the prime minister and the cabinet expect to get the government's divisive Brexit plan through parliament.
....
So what May, her ministers and her chief whip are banking on (to coin a phrase) is that as and when MPs reject her Brexit plan, the stock market and sterling (in particular) would tank - which would so scare Tory rebel MPs (the Cabinet hopes) that they would at that juncture be persuaded to recant and back May's deal.
.....
If a Brexit deal that a majority of MPs currently reject as being an affront to the UK's right to democratic self-determination were then passed because of fear that otherwise the country would be punished by international investors, by big capital, this would be rich and fertile territory for extremists and populists to exploit.

 

[fagin]

In all this non-stop Brexit waffle on TV, pundits are continually saying that eighty percent of the economy is financial services. That may apply to London and the Home Counties, and perhaps Edinburgh in Scotland, but not so much to places like Birmingham, or Grimsby, or Wales and Northern Ireland.
The matter is discussed at this website:

http:///blogs.sussex.ac.uk/uktpo/20...nd-unilateral-free-trade-share-the-same-flaw/

Believe it or not, London and the home counties are in the UK. And spin off taxes etc go into the national coffers.

So your point is?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Believe it or not, London and the home counties are in the UK. And spin off taxes etc go into the national coffers.

So your point is?

It wouldn't be a very wise system that relied on one small part of the country to generate the wealth to be spent elsewhere. Or worse still generate the wealth to be spent on itself while everywhere else is simply allowed to rot.

i mean you would probably end up with property bubbles, a lack of available workforce for lower paid jobs and simmering resentment elsewhere in the UK.

Thank God we haven't done that then, eh?

 

[Craig4]

Ian Botham and Bob Willis once conspired to get Geoff Boycott (team captain at the time) run out in a test match.

Does that count?

Doesn't really capture the noble self-sacrifice of getting hit by a baseball to walk a runner on fourth base into home.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Remember when he said

“Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."

 

[fagin]

It wouldn't be a very wise system that relied on one small part of the country to generate the wealth to be spent elsewhere. Or worse still generate the wealth to be spent on itself while everywhere else is simply allowed to rot.

i mean you would probably end up with property bubbles, a lack of available workforce for lower paid jobs and simmering resentment elsewhere in the UK.

Thank God we haven't done that then, eh?

Still totally pointless to trash part of the economy because not all the spin offs are positive.

And Henri's link had nothing to do with that anyway, as usual.

 

[Earthborn]

Buy some extra refrigerators and freezers to store my food in ...

I don't think I can fit too many in my small flat, but I'll let you in into a little secret: much of the food you import as "fresh" has probably already been stored in a freezer for a year... or two.

... as I do believe there might be some slight delay in getting it to me after the 29th March. Thanks.

You believe there might be a delay, eh? Always the optimist. I think you'll find that many businesses will simply say to any orders from the UK "sorry, we don't ship outside the EU". I suggest buying some extra freezers on your side of the North Sea.

 

[LondonJohn]

I don't think I can fit too many in my small flat, but I'll let you in into a little secret: much of the food you import as "fresh" has probably already been stored in a freezer for a year... or two.

Almost totally untrue. A very small proportion of food sold as fresh has been previously frozen - and much of that is fish. And in the UK it has by law to be labelled as such. Virtually all meat, fruit and vegetables sold as fresh in the UK have never been anywhere near a freezer. Some (apples and potatoes, for instance) will have sat in cold stores, often in an inert atmosphere, for quite some time. But freezing is a totally different thing.

You believe there might be a delay, eh? Always the optimist. I think you'll find that many businesses will simply say to any orders from the UK "sorry, we don't ship outside the EU". I suggest buying some extra freezers on your side of the North Sea.

Yes, that sounds about right: they'll unilaterally decide to stop selling their products to some of their larger customers. That sounds like solid business acumen

If Brexit does indeed happen next year - and I'm still not convinced that it actually will - then the worst that will happen is that there'll be a short-term (days) period of mild confusion while systems and processes iron themselves out. We're not switching to all-out hard borders and WTO tariffs on 29th March 2019. In addition, a good proportion of our food - especially grain and fruit/vegetables - comes from outside the EU already; obviously the import processes of those goods will be effectively unaffected.

 

[3point14]

In addition, a good proportion of our food - especially grain and fruit/vegetables - comes from outside the EU already; obviously the import processes of those goods will be effectively unaffected.

From countries with whom we have a trade agreement that is entirely independent from the EU one?

This is news to me. A bit of a relief to be fair.