Vixen
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They were his fellows in that they were equally Luxembourgers, entitled to live their lives in peace and free from persecution and assault, just as much as he was.
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They were his fellows in that they were equally Luxembourgers, entitled to live their lives in peace and free from persecution and assault, just as much as he was.
P.J. Denyer
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Yes, but a pointless (and incorrect) argument about exactly how long after the war he was born proved and effective distraction from the point that she said that "What did you do in the War?" was a legitimate question to ask a politician who wasn't born at the time.
Vixen
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If your parents were actively part of a genocide expedition - voluntarily or conscripted - it is quite legitimate to point it out.
Strawberry
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No it isn't, nobody's to blame for what their parents did before they were even born. And in your case your accusation against Jean Claude Juncker's father - that he was an SS officer - wasn't even true.
Strawberry
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Sod all. Its just Vixen parading her usual brain farts.
P.J. Denyer
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No-one is responsible for their parents actions. It's a cheap smear.
fagin
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Vixen
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All politicians in charge of state affairs are rightly open to probity.
Michel H's belief that everybody in the EU should be 'altruistic' and hand over a trade deal 'with a smile', needed to be countered.
There are power struggles going on. The Brexiteers perception that it is a case of German dominance might be mistaken, but you can understand where the reservation comes from.
Juncker likely grew up in a household and education environment that resented the Brit, just like Brits of the Baby Boomer generation seeing the Germans as baddies, as depicted in comics and popular culture.
Juncker should come clean and own up to exactly what his dad did in the war. Come clean and we can all get over it.
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angrysoba
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So what? You claimed he was in the SS. The SS is NOT an umbrella term for the German armed forces. Not all Wehrmacht were Nazis and you have demonstrated no evidence that he was an officer or that his sins were passed on genetically to his son and what this means for Brexit.
p0lka
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There needs to be a term equivalent to godwins law, but for trump.
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It's just more and more of this every day.
Today I listened to an interview on BBC. They were grilling an official in Turkey about their own issues with suppressed journalists and academics, but the official just pivoted every question to "what about those Kurdi terrorists?"
Pakistan being questioned about whether Chinese buying their government bonds means having some leverage over them, it's turned around to "what about America? China holds American debt, too!"
Point out nuts and bolts realities of geopolitical trade in the modern era, get an oblique reply about 'grasping hold of our own destiny' or some other useless platitude.
Today I listened to an interview on BBC. They were grilling an official in Turkey about their own issues with suppressed journalists and academics, but the official just pivoted every question to "what about those Kurdi terrorists?"
Pakistan being questioned about whether Chinese buying their government bonds means having some leverage over them, it's turned around to "what about America? China holds American debt, too!"
Point out nuts and bolts realities of geopolitical trade in the modern era, get an oblique reply about 'grasping hold of our own destiny' or some other useless platitude.
Not only occupied, which would explain nothing, but also annexed to Germany. Which is the real fact that constrained young Luxembourgish men to enroll in the German army.
And yes there might have been some volunteers among them, but you still do no prove it might have been the case of Juncker's father. And by the way I am still waiting for an evidence he was an officer in the Wehrmacht
As a matter of fact there are not much politicians left who played a role during WWII. Last week the USA just buried a former president who enrolled during WWII.
Furthermore in the case at hand Jean-Claude Juncker was born almost ten years after the end of WWII. How could then what he "did in the war is a relevant question in determining his motivation and psyche"?
Pixel42
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So when you said "fellow Jews", you actually meant to say "fellow Luxemburgers who, unlike him, were Jews"? Because that is definitely not what "fellow Jews" means.
Which has nothing to do with Juncker senior at all, anymore than it has to do with 90+% of the population of occupied-Luxembourg.
They did not control what the Nazis chose to do, so you implying there is somehow some relationship between these things is your usual desperate nonsense.
I'm not bloody surprised.
The tabloid press in this country (which includes the Telegraph and usually the Times) is hopeless at doing actual journalism.
The Sun's implicatin was that his father was a Nazi, and they didn't give a toss whether it was true or not.
Yeessss.
Now can you see why that has no implication at all on whether he was a Nazi?
Can you see why people who were born in Germany before the war might be more likely to be Nazis, than someone who was born in Luxembourg and only became "German" when their country was annexed in 1940? Who only became a soldier because he was conscripted?
Dave Rogers
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Where? We know he wasn't in the SS, so if you read he was an SS officer then it was clearly wrong; the only question is whether both claims were wrong.
Or that he remained a conscript. Before you can discuss the implications of him having been an officer, you have to establish that he was an officer. "I read it somewhere" isn't good enough.
However, stuff people make up about what your father did in the war is not.
Dave
How does this make him unreasonable, exactly?
Attacking the father of the president of the European comission because you want your country to exit the EU is an extremely low form of character assasination. It's not even a character assasination, it's just spewing random feces, hoping they stick somewhere.
It's low even by Brexit standards and that's saying something.
I mean come on, it's like saying the UK sucks, because a second cousin twice removed of their reigning monarch brutalized Congo. I'm sure many Britons would resent that too.
McHrozni
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Evasive non sequitur. Jews in Germany weren't counted as German, either. None of this changes the fact that you made grossly erroneous claims about Juncker's father.
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