Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

[BobTheCoward]

Eight.

You can't say I don't practice what I preach as I am hanging on to views you said were wrong a long time ago

 

[Belz...]

You can't say I don't practice what I preach as I am hanging on to views you said were wrong a long time ago

Please stop pretending. You're not hanging onto anything. You're picking and choosing the extreme purist view of the "principle" you think will get you the most attention in the current thread, and running with it.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It would not be changing your mind. You still need to think that leave is a bad idea.

So i need to return MY game to the store and exchange it for one someone else chose for me? Or something.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Corbyn's strategy is (having heard from the SNP/Green/Lib encounters with May this past day) correct, in that she is clearly being completely intransigent, so there's little point. However, I suspect it's not so much strategy as fluke.

He's as stubborn and blinkered as she is, and still has his imaginary election in sight. Unless he finally comes to his senses and realises that is a complete pipe dream then I fear he'll happily keep us chugging towards the cliff edge.

Disagree. All he is doing is giving TM an out to say 'the Labour Party won't engage in talks with us'. All the other leaders met TM and came out saying 'she isn't prepared to compromise on what we want' JC isn't even prepared to openly say what he wants

 

[BobTheCoward]

Please stop pretending. You're not hanging onto anything. You're picking and choosing the extreme purist view of the "principle" you think will get you the most attention in the current thread, and running with it.

I take extremist positions because I'm an extremist.

 

[Belz...]

S'alright, after a no-deal Brexit we won't need electricity, we'll be back to rubbing sticks and banging rocks together to produce the latest technological marvel - fire.

Welcome back, by the way.

 

[Belz...]

I take extremist positions because I'm an extremist.

No you're not.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It would not be changing your mind. You still need to think that leave is a bad idea.

If I voted Remain in the first referendum, a second referendum was hald, and the choice was "Should the UK leave the EU?" then I would be lying if I said "Yes." According to you, it would be unethical to say "No," but lying is unethical too. You're therefore describing a referendum in which only people who honestly want to leave are morally permitted to vote. As usual, you've started from an absurd premise and reasoned to an absurd conclusion.

Dave

 

[ponderingturtle]

Not sure if worrying is the right word. Given my overall opinion of the UK electorate is more relief that 56% seem to have managed to find the obvious right answer.

It is also unclear when presented with serious options like mays deal or crash out how many people like those, vs some nebulous brexit that could never happen.

 

[lobosrul5]

I take extremist positions because I'm an extremist.

There's only one extremist.

 

[BobTheCoward]

If I voted Remain in the first referendum, a second referendum was hald, and the choice was "Should the UK leave the EU?" then I would be lying if I said "Yes." According to you, it would be unethical to say "No," but lying is unethical too. You're therefore describing a referendum in which only people who honestly want to leave are morally permitted to vote. As usual, you've started from an absurd premise and reasoned to an absurd conclusion.

Dave

I don't think that is absurd. That is describing it eloquently.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I don't think that is absurd.

Well, no, but your definition of absurdity is the inverse of the conventional one.

Dave

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well, no, but your definition of absurdity is the inverse of the conventional one.

Dave

That is something we agree on.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I thought remain did a good job arguing something like this would happen. I don't see right now as materially different from what they said would happen.

Generally speaking, after a vote it is up to the winners to deliver what they promised, not what the losers warned might happen.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

[...]it's equivalent of saying that people who voted Tory in the last election can't complain if they privatise the NHS because Labour said they would, even though the Tories said they wouldn't.

Mutter, mutter ninja'd mutter Archie mutter......

 

[jeremyp]

Why? Elected officials are there to make decisions on behalf of the electorate.

Yes they are. But, in this case, they stupidly had a referendum and are now paralysed by the "democratic will of the people[1]". The only way to break the paralysis is to have another referendum so that the people can change their will.

Stop asking the question over and over and do what's best. If Brexit is a terrible idea, cancel it.

The ridiculous thing is that a majority of MPs were pro-Remain before the referendum and I doubt if that has significantly changed, but the second referendum[2] hangs around their necks like a millstone.

[1] The will of the people is 52% of the people who voted who are 72% of the total electorate which is 71% of the population.

[2] People talk about not having a second referendum but the 2016 referendum was already the second referendum. The first referendum - won by Remain - happened in 1975.

 

[jeremyp]

The outcome was known. Remain knew it would be bad.

I am a Remainer. I didn't know it would be this bad.

 

[jeremyp]

A vote seems like "place order."

No, invoking article 50 was placing the order. As it turned out, there is a policy that we can cancel the order at any point prior to delivery on March 29th.

 

[Darat]

The outcome was known. Remain knew it would be bad.

Bad is a subjective word so who's "bad" are you using?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Bad is a subjective word so who's "bad" are you using?

JeremyP's. I'm not substiuting my own in this case.