Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Food issues in the event of a no-deal:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

Stat that jumped out at me:
"British vets like setting up small clinics in a village somewhere and saving the family dog. Admit it. That's the image in your head when someone says the word 'vet'. They do not envision spending their career watching cow carcasses being washed down in an abattoir. The culture of veterinary checks in food is much more common in Europe, especially in Spain. EU citizens consequently make up 95% of the veterinary workforce in UK food production."

If EU vets leave (and many are), we have major issues in the coming years.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
As I seem never to tire of saying, Vote Leave campaigned on a promise to the voters that there would be a new deal before Article 50 was triggered.
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I don't specifically remember that being the case but promising the literally impossible seemed to be a hallmark of the campaign so I could certainly believe it
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Cyprus was partitioned by turkey invading.
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Not quite the first partition. See wiki.
The Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia ... is a British Overseas Territory on the island of Cyprus. The areas, which include British military bases and installations, as well as other land, were retained by the British under the 1960 treaty of independence, signed by the United Kingdom, Greece, Turkey and representatives from the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities, which granted independence to the Crown colony of Cyprus. The territory serves an important role as a station for signals intelligence ...​
 
Dave Rogers said:
I have one nagging worry about this. If it turns out that the process of leaving the EU is so complicated as to be impossible in practice, then the statement that "we could leave the EU any time we want to" isn't exactly correct. Unfortunately, there's a recipriverse excluson involved here (to borrow a Douglas Adams term for something that's defined as anything other than itself); if it turns out that we can't leave the EU, then the leavers had a point that our sovereignty was limited, whereas if it turns out that we can, then it turns out that they didn't. Either way, the only possible option is the wrong one.

Dave
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What seems to make it difficult is that the UK just up and left, without any idea how it would actually do so.
 
Craig B said:
Not quite the first partition. See wiki.
The Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia ... is a British Overseas Territory on the island of Cyprus. The areas, which include British military bases and installations, as well as other land, were retained by the British under the 1960 treaty of independence, signed by the United Kingdom, Greece, Turkey and representatives from the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities, which granted independence to the Crown colony of Cyprus. The territory serves an important role as a station for signals intelligence ...​
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That's not partition in the sense of the programme dialogue. It was more us just deciding to keep a couple of bits, but vacating the rest.
 
Pinched off FB.

LEAVER: I want an omelette.

REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.

LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]

REMAINER: They’re in the cake.

LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.

REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.

LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.

REMAINER: Icing is good.

LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.

DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.

DAVID CAMERON: OK.

DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.

LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?

REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.

LEAVER: Well, get them out.

EU: It’s our cake.

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.

REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?

LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.

REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?

LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.

THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.

REMAINER: How?

THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.

REMAINER: Yeah, but…

LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.

EU: It’s our cake.

REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.

LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.

REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.

LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.

REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?

LEAVER: You lost, get over it.

THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.

REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?

THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.

REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?

JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.

EU: It’s our cake.

LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.

REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.

LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.

REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.

LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.
 
Information Analyst said:
That's not partition in the sense of the programme dialogue. It was more us just deciding to keep a couple of bits, but vacating the rest.
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In Ireland the UK relinquished 26 counties and kept 6 and that was definitely a partition. I was surprised recently to learn that the SBAs have a significant civilian population. Wiki says
7,700(Cypriots; estimate); 8,000 non-permanent (UK military personnel and their families; estimate)​
So it's quite small, but a partition of territory nonetheless. And it's listed as a British Overseas Territory, not a U.K. Base on Cypriot territory
 
fagin said:
Pinched off FB.

LEAVER: I want an omelette.

REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.

LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]

REMAINER: They’re in the cake.

LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.

REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.

LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.

REMAINER: Icing is good.

LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.

DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.

DAVID CAMERON: OK.
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Original source-:

https://garybainbridge.com/2018/10/10/column-october-11-2018/
 
wobs said:
Food issues in the event of a no-deal:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

Stat that jumped out at me:
"British vets like setting up small clinics in a village somewhere and saving the family dog. Admit it. That's the image in your head when someone says the word 'vet'. They do not envision spending their career watching cow carcasses being washed down in an abattoir. The culture of veterinary checks in food is much more common in Europe, especially in Spain. EU citizens consequently make up 95% of the veterinary workforce in UK food production."

If EU vets leave (and many are), we have major issues in the coming years.
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Fascinating, a very interesting point.
 
Craig B said:
In Ireland the UK relinquished 26 counties and kept 6 and that was definitely a partition. I was surprised recently to learn that the SBAs have a significant civilian population. Wiki says
7,700(Cypriots; estimate); 8,000 non-permanent (UK military personnel and their families; estimate)​
So it's quite small, but a partition of territory nonetheless. And it's listed as a British Overseas Territory, not a U.K. Base on Cypriot territory
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I think you're ignoring that when people talk about the partition of Cyprus, it's between the Turkish-occupied north and the south, not the Sovereign Base Areas. The latter are largely non-contentious, especially compared to the former.
 
Leave HQ's assessment of the WTO option link

Nevertheless, it is generally recognised that, in order to access the Single Market, goods must comply with EU rules. Conformity is the way of overcoming the NTB. But what advocates of the WTO option have not realised is that there is more to it than that . Much more. Potential exporters not only have to ensure their goods conform, they must provide evidence of their so doing. This requires putting the goods through a recognised system of what is known as "conformity assessment".



We are at this point entering serious nerd territory. If your eyes are beginning to glaze over, all we can say is welcome to the world as it really is. It has taken years of mind-numbing, tedious study to understand this amount of detail, and either you know it, or you don't. If you don't, you are going to make serious mistakes.
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Information Analyst said:
I think you're ignoring that when people talk about the partition of Cyprus, it's between the Turkish-occupied north and the south, not the Sovereign Base Areas. The latter are largely non-contentious, especially compared to the former.
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Yes I am ignoring it.
 
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