Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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abaddon said:
The UK has deployed partition in various parts of their former empire. It has never worked.

One might be forgiven for thinking that they might review that position in light of it's universal failure, but they won't.
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Hmmmm.

Yes Prime Minister, on a new British dependency.
We should have partitioned the island.

Like we did in India, Cyprus and Palestine?
And Ireland?

Yes, that was our invariable practice
with the colonies. It always worked.

But didn't partition always lead to civil war?


- As in India, Cyprus, Palestine and Ireland.
- Yes, but it kept them busy.

Instead of fighting other people,
they fought each other.

Yes, rather good. Saved us having a policy.
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Dave Rogers said:
It must be nice living under that rock.

Are we in or out of the customs union? If we're out, what happens to the Irish border? Does it break the Good Friday agreement, and if so, does the IRA reform and decide it's time to start making trouble again? If we're in for two years then out, all that's happened is that the can's been kicked down the road a bit. And if we're in indefinitely, then we haven't actually left. And if none of those is acceptable and we leave without a deal, what happens ot the Irish border?

"Nothing complicated about it" is a ridiculous claim.

Dave
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A point that Brexiteers seem to ignore is that it the UK is seen to break the GFA they'll have near-zero credibility when it comes to all those new agreements they expect to make.
 
GnaGnaMan said:
Next March 29, at midnight, the UK will be out of the EU. No further action is required. No agreements need to be made.
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So no international flights to/from the UK, electricity blackouts, shortages of food and medicine et cetera.
 
Dave Rogers said:
It must be nice living under that rock.

Are we in or out of the customs union? If we're out, what happens to the Irish border? Does it break the Good Friday agreement, and if so, does the IRA reform and decide it's time to start making trouble again? If we're in for two years then out, all that's happened is that the can's been kicked down the road a bit. And if we're in indefinitely, then we haven't actually left. And if none of those is acceptable and we leave without a deal, what happens ot the Irish border?

"Nothing complicated about it" is a ridiculous claim.

Dave
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So it's not the act of leaving that is complicated but the potential after-effects of that decision that are complicated.

Unfortunately that situation has arisen only due to the sheer incompetence of how the Brexit referendum was set up. The following rush to invoke article 50 before deciding on a coherent exit strategy that would have been acceptable to a majority of the country.

So yes, leaving the EU is complicated... but that's only because of actions/decisions of the UK.

It has very little to do with the EU and the article 50 process that's in place. That is pretty straight forward and simple.
 
catsmate said:
A point that Brexiteers seem to ignore is that it the UK is seen to break the GFA they'll have near-zero credibility when it comes to all those new agreements they expect to make.
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One of the aforementioned pro-Brexit cockwombles outside Downing Street yesterday was waving a sign saying, "BIN THE BACKSTOP!" The world must be such a simple place in their head.
 
Amazer said:
The following rush to invoke article 50 before deciding on a coherent exit strategy that would have been acceptable to a majority of the country.
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It took 9 months to the UK Government to file the Article 50 application. One can hardly speak of a rush. But the problem is that during this period of time nothing was indeed undertaken to set up a coherent strategy and make acceptable proposals.
 
Hellbound said:
So...like what happens after a major football match, just lasting longer?

:D
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With plenty of civil unrest. Seriously I'd expect the situation to require a significant military response, and produce levels of violence similar to Ulster in '69, if there is a "hard" exit.
 
catsmate said:
With plenty of civil unrest. Seriously I'd expect the situation to require a significant military response, and produce levels of violence similar to Ulster in '69, if there is a "hard" exit.
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:(

I tried to lighten things a bit with humor...now I feel bad.

Hopefully it won't be that bad, and I wish you guys the best. I keep expecting our leader on this side of the pond to get us into a situation with similar results...so far we've been lucky (-ish).
 
Hellbound said:
:(

I tried to lighten things a bit with humor...now I feel bad.

Hopefully it won't be that bad, and I wish you guys the best. I keep expecting our leader on this side of the pond to get us into a situation with similar results...so far we've been lucky (-ish).
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Brexit makes toast of that. UK doesn't want NI and neither does the republic.

Whichever way Brexit plays out, either the DUP or the shinners will moan and we will be right back to the 60s.

And if you think they are all disarmed, you are naive. Neither side disarmed, it was a token gesture.
 
Hellbound said:
:(

I tried to lighten things a bit with humor...now I feel bad.

Hopefully it won't be that bad, and I wish you guys the best. I keep expecting our leader on this side of the pond to get us into a situation with similar results...so far we've been lucky (-ish).
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Thankfully I'm not in the UK.
 
Information Analyst said:
One of the aforementioned pro-Brexit cockwombles outside Downing Street yesterday was waving a sign saying, "BIN THE BACKSTOP!" The world must be such a simple place in their head.
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It very much puts me in mind of a cliché divorcee, thumping the table and insisting "she's not getting a penny out of me" right before losing the house, car, kids and dog and being left with his golf clubs and no grasp of what just happened to him.

It pains me to see the howls of outrage over the notion of an extended withdrawal from those who still don't get it and have absolutely no interest in getting it.
 
Degeneve said:
It took 9 months to the UK Government to file the Article 50 application. One can hardly speak of a rush. But the problem is that during this period of time nothing was indeed undertaken to set up a coherent strategy and make acceptable proposals.
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As I seem never to tire of saying, Vote Leave campaigned on a promise to the voters that there would be a new deal before Article 50 was triggered.
 
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Quite stark. Strong argument against FPTP, IMHO.
 
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