Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

[dudalb]

At least you have one party that is pretty sane. Our opposition is hamstrung by Corbyn thinking that Brexit is a chance to found a glorious socialist republic.

Apparently even Momentum are getting annoyed with his lack of opposition to the Rees-Mogg Brexit vision.

Labors problem is that in the last election they did unexpectedly well, and it gave Corbyn who, in the long run, is bad news for Labor a new lease on life.
And from what I have read, the guy has a lot of support among the Labor's Hard Left, and they seem to be in control of the party machinery.

 

[quadraginta]

A possible solution to the need for those nasty furriners coming in to do stoop labor that True Englishmen™ are too good for?

https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/08/y...ed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Techcrunch+(TechCrunch)

 

[Andy_Ross]

Boris is positioning as next leader. he can see May is on the way out

Timeline
9th July, Johnson resigns
10th July, Trump calls Johnson friend.
13th July Bannon says moment Johnson should challenge
18th July Trump says Johnson would make a good PM
7th August, Johnson writes derogatory niqab comments
8th August, Farage says Johnson more likely to be leader

 

[GlennB]

Boris is positioning as next leader. he can see May is on the way out

Timeline
9th July, Johnson resigns
10th July, Trump calls Johnson friend.
13th July Bannon says moment Johnson should challenge
18th July Trump says Johnson would make a good PM
7th August, Johnson writes derogatory niqab comments
8th August, Farage says Johnson more likely to be leader

A month or two ago he was 4th favourite to be next Tory leader, now he's the favourite. His 'plan' appears to be working. Heaven help us.

 

[Darat]

A month or two ago he was 4th favourite to be next Tory leader, now he's the favourite. His 'plan' appears to be working. Heaven help us.

To be fair to Alexander - May did push in to the front of the queue, it was his turn to be PM after Cameron.

 

[Mid]

To be fair to Alexander - May did push in to the front of the queue, it was his turn to be PM after Cameron.

Quite! And she didn't even go to Eton what was she thinking?!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

To be fair to Alexander - May did push in to the front of the queue, it was his turn to be PM after Cameron.

Sadly for Boris his run at the leadership was built on the expectation of losing the referendum and becoming the champion of the plucky losers. If he could have kept his nerve and pretended look like he was actually pleased to win, he might still have pulled it off. His clearly panicked expression more suited to a condemned man the morning after the vote, having unleashed economic turmoil with no plan to salvage things, is what knackered him, nothing to do with May.

 

[Hellbound]

Nevermind, missed that there were about 5 more pages.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

The entire Leave campaign boiled down to insisting a Brexit could be delivered that provided all of the benefits of EU membership with none of the responsibilities. I am confident they did so in the expectation that they would be defeated and never have to deliver on those promises. The likes of Farage and Johnson would get to play hero to the 'Little Englanders' and advance their careers, instead Brexit has one way or another proved their undoing, shame the rest of us have to suffer the consequences.

Shame that few British policians have the guts to be honest and say "Leaving the EU would be a mistake",refuse to adapt it, and let the relection chips fall where they may.'

It makes you wonder if the fanatical push for a cliff edge Brexit from people who previously claimed we could have all the advantages of membership is an attempt to make the situation untenable and force Parliament to cancel, they would then be set up for life trading on the outrage. Of course it would be massively damaging to the country but that seems to be inevitable in either case and anyway, that hasn't bothered them so far.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Quite! And she didn't even go to Eton what was she thinking?!

I heard she wasn't even in the Bullingdon Club, what on Earth made her think she was qualified?

Personally I think Boris will wait, no point grabbing the poison chalice while it's still half full.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

To be fair to Alexander - May did push in to the front of the queue, it was his turn to be PM after Cameron.

I think it was meant to be Cameron-Osborn-Johnson.

 

[Craig B]

... ceptimus seems to think that the UK could unilaterally choose to keep the border open and hopes that the EU follows suit. It's not clear to me how foreigners could be kept out under this scheme but even if "they" came to the UK, they wouldn't be able to settle and work because they wouldn't have the necessary paperwork..

It seems safe or satisfactory to you that many people may come to the U.K. across an unsupervised border; but they will have no right to obtain secure homes, and will be able to feed themselves only by begging, crime or unregulated casual work.

 

[ceptimus]

It's not satisfactory but it seems the most workable alternative to breaking the Good Friday Agreement. If the illegal migrants have a miserable time here, they can always go back home - possibly returning across the same unsupervised border.

 

[catsmate]

It's not satisfactory but it seems the most workable alternative to breaking the Good Friday Agreement. If the illegal migrants have a miserable time here, they can always go back home - possibly returning across the same unsupervised border.

Or you could go with what the majority of people in the UK want and abandon Brexit.

 

[Craig B]

It's not satisfactory but it seems the most workable alternative to breaking the Good Friday Agreement. If the illegal migrants have a miserable time here, they can always go back home - possibly returning across the same unsupervised border.

So they can arrive unnoticed, under cover of the Common Travel Area arrangements between the Uk and the Republic of Ireland, engage in crime or unregulated work, and then depart again, all without being recorded as having been in the country. Sounds a bit off to me.

What if NI republican terrorists wanted to import a "Jackal" to bump off Arlene Foster? Unlike his fictional model, he wouldn't even need to obtain a forged passport, or an aluminium crutch to conceal his gun in. And after completing his task he would go back to the EU and never be seen again.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

What if NI republican terrorists wanted to import a "Jackal" to bump off Arlene Foster? Unlike his fictional model, he wouldn't even need to obtain a forged passport, or an aluminium crutch to conceal his gun in. And after completing his task he would go back to the EU and never be seen again.

Yes but in fairness there's a downside too.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Or you could go with what the majority of people in the UK want and abandon Brexit.

Tragically I can't see any mechanism by which that desire can be aired. We've been asked the question "stay or go?" and the follow up question is really only " how do you want to go?" rather than "are you sure?".
Doubly tragically, the loudest voices among leavers are like a parody of the most bullish, defiant partners in acrimonious divorces. The once who say its simple, she's getting nothing and why is it taking so long? And then lose everything.

 

[jeremyp]

A month or two ago he was 4th favourite to be next Tory leader, now he's the favourite. His 'plan' appears to be working. Heaven help us.

The word "favourite" is just an indication that people who like to bet on things are putting more money on Johnson than the other candidates. These people are not the ones that decide who the next Conservative Party leader will be. The same constituency also "forecast" that Remain would win the referendum.

 

[jeremyp]

Tragically I can't see any mechanism by which that desire can be aired.

The government collapses. A new government is voted in after the general election that commits to a second referendum in its manifesto. In the second referendum, the Brexit campaign is hamstrung by the fact that all its leaders are now known to be lying liars or, in the case of Boris, lying backstabbing liars. Remain wins the second referendum.

Unfortunately, the government probably won't collapse in time.

 

[Darat]

It's not satisfactory but it seems the most workable alternative to breaking the Good Friday Agreement. If the illegal migrants have a miserable time here, they can always go back home - possibly returning across the same unsupervised border.

I thought you wanted to take back control of our borders?