Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[Tolls]

Well, kinda it is, if you're the one with all the guns and stuff.
If you're the one that gets shafted it's more of a suicide note.

McHrozni

Gunboat diplomacy, when the other side has the gunboats...

 

[Mojo]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all the EU's fault that they won't agree to our unreasonable demands

Cabinet minister Michael Gove says the EU "seem to be refusing to negotiate with the UK" over a new Brexit deal.

Mr Gove, who is responsible for no-deal planning, said he was "deeply saddened" that Brussels was, in his words, saying "no, we don't want to talk."

It comes after the EU said UK demands to remove the Irish backstop from Theresa May's deal were unacceptable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49251257

Yes, that’s the exact comment that led to my earlier post. It’s the UK side who are refusing to negotiate.

 

[lomiller]

No good attempting to blame him. Davis didn't even want to agree to allow the EU to separate the 'divorce deal' from the 'future trade deal'. If he'd been allowed by May to negotiate the way he wanted (more like Boris is attempting to now) then we'd never have had May's pathetic deal in the first place and we wouldn't have wasted almost two years...

Of course you would have looked the same. Either the UK was going to keep following UK rules and standards or it was going to have borders and checkpoint to allow each side to enact and enforce it’s own rules. This isn’t an EU thing, it’s how international relations work and it doesn’t matter who you try to make a deal with the requirement will be the same.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Either the UK was going to keep following UK EU rules and standards or it was going to have borders and checkpoint to allow each side to enact and enforce it’s own rules.

I presume the above is what you meant. But, of course, there's a third option: the EU, recognising the innate superiority of the English (I understand some of the UK is not English, but in this context they don't really matter), chooses to adopt UK standards for everything. This would be a superb deal for Britain, requiring no border infrastructure whatsoever. Except for immigration, of course, but no doubt we could demand the EU find a way to put border infrastructure in place to deal with that, while still maintaining no border infrastructure at the same time.

Dave

 

[The Don]

I presume the above is what you meant. But, of course, there's a third option: the EU, recognising the innate superiority of the English (I understand some of the UK is not English, but in this context they don't really matter), chooses to adopt UK standards for everything. This would be a superb deal for Britain, requiring no border infrastructure whatsoever. Except for immigration, of course, but no doubt we could demand the EU find a way to put border infrastructure in place to deal with that, while still maintaining no border infrastructure at the same time.

Dave

The way that immigration would work is that Ireland would act as the UK's border and adopt the new UK immigration rules for EU arrivals into Ireland. This would mean that they would give up one of the four freedoms but the EU will be happy to allow them to do so and for Ireland it would be a price worth paying.

Either that or Ireland could leave the EU on England's deal. After all it'll be all of the benefits and none of the responsibilities of EU membership.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Either that or Ireland could leave the EU on England's deal. After all it'll be all of the benefits and none of the responsibilities of EU membership.

Simplest of all would be Ireland just voluntarily re-joining the UK. Once we've reaped all the benefits of non-membership they'll be able to come to the sunlit uplands with us. I can't see anybody objecting to that.

Dave

 

[The Don]

Simplest of all would be Ireland just voluntarily re-joining the UK. Once we've reaped all the benefits of non-membership they'll be able to come to the sunlit uplands with us. I can't see anybody objecting to that.

Dave

D'oh ! Of course that's the most straightforward solution. Silly me for not seeing that......

Edited to add....

I mean I suppose a few republicans, Irish nationalists and Catholics could object but no member of any of those groups is entirely human and can be safely ignored....

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It's a brilliant idea. Just because 90% of Ireland wants to stay in the EU doesn't mean they would mind getting dragged out into Brexit chaos along with the UK just to make things simpler for the British government who had no plan for how this could work.

Ireland always stands ready to make any sacrifice to help it's old pal Britain. They need only ask. Nothing is too much.

 

[catsmate]

One good thing about Brexit is it's pretty much eliminated all support for Ireland/France/<INSERT COUNTRY HERE> leaving the EU.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

One good thing about Brexit is it's pretty much eliminated all support for Ireland/France/<INSERT COUNTRY HERE> leaving the EU.

We're taking one for the team. Oh, boy. Some day we're going to be a stark warning from history. Can we fast forward to the bit where I can apply for my Scottish passport?

 

[Klimax]

One good thing about Brexit is it's pretty much eliminated all support for Ireland/France/<INSERT COUNTRY HERE> leaving the EU.

It massacred Czech leavers and flipped entire party from EU-sceptic position.

 

[catsmate]

We're taking one for the team. Oh, boy. Some day we're going to be a stark warning from history. Can we fast forward to the bit where I can apply for my Scottish passport?

No Irish ancestors? Pity...

 

[GnaGnaMan]

You guys are joking, but that is essentially how it worked on Ireland, so far.
Ireland kept its immigration laws aligned with the UK's so that the common travel area could exist. It kept standards aligned with the UK, eg by adopting UK electrical plugs.
Ireland joined the EU when the UK did.
It did all that without there being any kind of formal agreement that could be taken to court.

 

[Information Analyst]

It's sadly ironic that the parts of the country which voted Leave are the ones being hit hardest by the implications of their actions.

Yes, at times it seems ironic, at other times, one thinks, "**** 'em."

 

[Information Analyst]

Let's see, about UK£99 billion in costs and UK£28 billion in debt.
2,000,000 houses destroyed, sixty thousand dead and eighty seven thousand seriously injured (and that's just the Blitz).

Sounds about right...

Houses destroyed or damaged. But, yeah, the idea that the Blitz was some sort of idyllic community-binding nirvana is bollocks. "Blitz spirit" is a retrospective sheen that glosses over just how crap a time it was.

 

[ponderingturtle]

You guys are joking, but that is essentially how it worked on Ireland, so far.
Ireland kept its immigration laws aligned with the UK's so that the common travel area could exist. It kept standards aligned with the UK, eg by adopting UK electrical plugs.
Ireland joined the EU when the UK did.
It did all that without there being any kind of formal agreement that could be taken to court.

Which is why ireland should be forced to leave the Eu with the UK, its only fair after all. That would get rid of the whole irish border question.

 

[Arcade22]

Brexit will bring “a huge series of upsides” for the UK in international trade, Dominic Raab has promised at the start of a symbolically important trip to North America, during which he will press the White House about the need for a rapid deal.

The foreign secretary is expected to meet the US vice-president, Mike Pence, in Washington late on Tuesday, and to hold talks with his counterpart, Mike Pompeo, on Wednesday. He will then travel to Mexico.

Raab, a die-hard leave supporter, will be conscious of the need for positive words from Washington on a quick post-Brexit trade deal as a counterpoint to warnings over the likely economic impact on the UK of a no-deal departure from the EU.

...

“I’m pleased to be able to say in Canada that, for the UK, Brexit is not just about risk management, although that’s important and I wouldn’t want to be glib or not take that very seriously. But it is also – and our prime minister has been very clear about that – about grasping the enormous opportunities of our two countries.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ill-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade

He just can't wait for American goods to flood into the British market, completely nullifying whatever benefit Brexit would offer British manufacturing, agricultural and fishing industries. No doubt the Americans want to offload the crap they can't sell to China anymore.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Apparently a post-Brexit deal between the UK and the US might end the requirement for a product labelled 'whisky' or 'whiskey' to be aged for a minimum of three years and open the way for younger products onto the market.

 

[jimbob]

An indication as to one of the effects of Brexit, currently whisky needs to be aged for a minimum of three years. There are indications that one of the requirements of a UK/US trade deal is that this requirement is dropped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-49242865/how-brexit-could-change-the-taste-of-whisky

Let the race to the bottom commence

Don't be so pessimistic, it's all going to be fine:

It's going to be fine:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...minic-Grieve-vote-today-Ireland-odds-Boris-UK

Brexiteer dismantles 'doomsday' Brexit claims with key point – 'Whipped up by Remainers'
BREXITEER MP David Davies accused MPs of talking about “doomsday scenarios” in regards to a no deal Brexit, arguing there have been “serious attempts” made by Boris Johnson to prepare for the possible outcome.

Dominic Grieve recently claimed a no deal Brexit could be halted if Parliament “wishes to stop it”. However, Tory MP David Davies believes the UK is “perfectly well prepared” for the outcome and claimed there have been “serious attempts” from Boris Johnson’s Government to put everything in order for the possibility. Mr Davies also pointed out that America is the UK’s “biggest trading partner” and the UK would trade with Europe on WTO terms in “exactly the same way we trade with America at the moment”.
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I'm not sure the news story justifies the headline. A favourite tactic of the Express, where the stories can be reasonable, but the headlines are way out of kilter with them. A particularly invidious technique, because there's nothing in the story that's particularly wrong - or memorable, but the headline, which is memorable is completely inaccurate.

 

[a_unique_person]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ill-bring-huge-series-of-upsides-for-uk-trade

He just can't wait for American goods to flood into the British market, completely nullifying whatever benefit Brexit would offer British manufacturing, agricultural and fishing industries. No doubt the Americans want to offload the crap they can't sell to China anymore.

Most consumer goods aren't made in America either way, they are made in China. What does the US have to sell to the UK? Agricultural goods, expensive health products?