Breaking news! Truther Ignored by Senator!

[DGM]

I think that the American government should fund the truthers to carry out an investigation. It would be a hoot,a chimps' tea party.They could televise it daily on a comedy channel,the country needs a bit of cheering up. Can you imagine it,Jammonius,the Caritta and Tempesta29 giving evidence?

Let "Judge Judy" preside.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Flight 175 hit the South Tower at 586 mph according to Wikipedia, which appears to be an FAA figure. Do you think this is a feasible speed to fly a 767 at sea level?

Well at sea level the atmosphere isn't as "thick" as Truthers are lead to believe.

So to answer your stupid question, yes it's feasible. How can you explain the take offs & landings of planes?

Also you might want to look up about atmospheric conditions about planes flying high, where the air is thinner & the oxygen level is almost nile. At 25,000 feet above sea level, you'd be dead in about 10 minutes without oxygen.

 

[dafydd]

Let "Judge Judy" preside.

Perfect.

 

[Thunder]

How can you explain the take offs & landings of planes?

New World Order CGI.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

New World Order CGI.

 

[funk de fino]

Lying about which instructors? When you directly accuse someone of lying you should probably back it up.

Your claim was a lie and you didnt back it up either.

LOL. I just don't know what else to say other than LOL. I hate internet acronyms as much as most, but sometimes they just work.

Ignorant of so much about 911 but so arrogant?

Says the compliant Scotsman. Go to London and be filmed doing anything, anywhere. Then try and film an officer of the law doing what your tax dollars pay him to do, or film him doing whatever he deems "suspicious".

Then pull out your notepad and jot down the ironic bits, unless he confiscates your notepad along with your camera.

Complete balderdash.

 

[Dragon37]

How can you explain the take offs & landings of planes?

Why bother with such trivial details? What is most important isn't the planes it is the building collapses and those definitely looked strange .. or so my Daddy told me.

 

[twinstead]

It is getting more clear to me that tempesta is simply arguing what he is told by other cult members, and has done very little objective investigation or considered any alternative viewpoints for himself.

And he calls us "dupes".

 

[Thunder]

It is getting more clear to me that tempesta is simply arguing what he is told by other cult members, and has done very little objective investigation or considered any alternative viewpoints for himself.

And he calls us "dupes".

bump

 

[Lenbrazil]

Well at sea level the atmosphere isn't as "thick" as Truthers are lead to believe.

So to answer your stupid question, yes it's feasible. How can you explain the take offs & landings of planes?

Also you might want to look up about atmospheric conditions about planes flying high, where the air is thinner & the oxygen level is almost nile. At 25,000 feet above sea level, you'd be dead in about 10 minutes without oxygen.

Jetliners do not take off or land at anywhere near 586 mph

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Jetliners do not take off or land at anywhere near 586 mph

Can Truthers prove that a jetliner can't fly 586 mph near ground level?

I'd like for them to answer that question!

BTW: There's videos on YouTube of jetliners flying low & fast.

 

[Thunder]

Can Truthers prove that a jetliner can't fly 586 mph near ground level?

the planes that hit the WTC were hundreds of feet above sea-level.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

the planes that hit the WTC were hundreds of feet above sea-level.

I know Parky, that's a question posed to those Truthers who think about Flight 77 not flying low & fast.

 

[A W Smith]

Lying about which instructors? When you directly accuse someone of lying you should probably back it up.

You had already been shown direct quotes that the flight school instructors as well as other professional pilots agree that the hijackers could easily have hit their targets. To repeat your claims makes you a liar, simple as that.

Chevrette said that the school's student, Hani Hanjour, lacked adequate English skills to gain his pilot's license. An FAA official responded to her concerns by suggesting that Hanjour could use an interpreter even though mastery of English is a requirement for a pilot. Chevrette said that when the Sept. 11 attacks occurred, she knew Hanjour must have been involved.
"I remember crying all the way to work knowing our company helped to do this," she said.
Chevrette said that Hanjour's English was so bad that it took him eight hours to complete an oral exam that should've taken two hours.
CBS News

One 9/11 Commission footnote (to Chapter 7) is relatively positive. 170. FBI report, "Summary of Penttbom Investigation," Feb. 29, 2004, pp. 52*57. Hanjour successfully conducted a challenging certification flight supervised by an instructor at Congressional Air Charters of Gaithersburg, Maryland, landing at a small airport with a difficult approach.The instructor thought Hanjour may have had training from a military pilot because he used a terrain recognition system for navigation. Eddie Shalev interview (Apr.9, 2004).

"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said" http://www.pentagonresearch.com/Newsday_com.htm

"They'd done their homework and they had what they needed," says a United Airlines pilot (name withheld on request), who has flown every model of Boeing from the 737 up. "Rudimentary knowledge and fearlessness."
"As everyone saw, their flying was sloppy and aggressive," says Michael (last name withheld), a pilot with several thousand hours in 757s and 767s. "Their skills and experience, or lack thereof, just weren't relevant."
"The hijackers required only the shallow understanding of the aircraft," agrees Ken Hertz, an airline pilot rated on the 757/767. "In much the same way that a person needn't be an experienced physician in order to perform CPR or set a broken bone."
That sentiment is echoed by Joe d'Eon, airline pilot and host of the "Fly With Me" podcast series. "It's the difference between a doctor and a butcher," says d'Eon.
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/...skthepilot186/

If you continue to lie, expect to be called on it.

 

[tempesta29]

Hanjour didn't just point the plane at the Pentagon. He performed a descending spiral and hit the Pentagon flying parallel and just meters off the ground. Air traffic control assumed it was a military plane because of its speed and maneuverability. They said it was unsafe to fly a plane in such an extreme manner. Does that sound like pointing a plane at a building? Pointing or aiming a plane doesn't involve extreme maneuvering or velocity.

Why spiral down into such a low profile target? Did Hanjour not have a specific, more high profile target in mind? Did he not do any research? He might have been able to take out the Secretary of Defense; it's clear he wasn't gunning for him at all. Very little about Hanjour's alleged suicide attack makes sense.

 

[JohnG]

Air traffic control assumed it was a military plane because of its speed and maneuverability. They said it was unsafe to fly a plane in such an extreme manner.

Crazy, huh? It's almost as if the pilot had a death wish or something.

 

[A W Smith]

Hanjour didn't just point the plane at the Pentagon. He performed a descending spiral and hit the Pentagon flying parallel and just meters off the ground. Air traffic control assumed it was a military plane because of its speed and maneuverability. They said it was unsafe to fly a plane in such an extreme manner. Does that sound like pointing a plane at a building? Pointing or aiming a plane doesn't involve extreme maneuvering or velocity.

Why spiral down into such a low profile target? Did Hanjour not have a specific, more high profile target in mind? Did he not do any research? He might have been able to take out the Secretary of Defense; it's clear he wasn't gunning for him at all. Very little about Hanjour's alleged suicide attack makes sense.

because he was such an inexperienced pilot he overflew the target from much too high an altitude. It wasn't so much of a spiral as it was a descending wide turn. He cannot see that he was so close to the ground because of the instrument panel. but needed to see the seven story building to hit it, As far as target selection it is easy to pick out a unique five sided building from altitude, Not so easy to pick from a selection of much smaller buildings with domes on them. what you are commiting is known as the Texas sharpshooter fallacy

 

[tempesta29]

the planes that hit the WTC were hundreds of feet above sea-level.

That's correct. I'm not sure if you know, but air is very thick at that altitude. That velocity is well beyond the maximum cruising altitude of a 767--that's at high altitude. With that kind of low altitude drag, that aircraft would have experienced severe aerodynamic stress, assuming a 767 is even capable of reaching that speed at that altitude. So again, these people weren't just aiming. In the case of flight 175, this alleged hijacker was performing an amazing feat of pilotage.

 

[JohnG]

That's correct. I'm not sure if you know, but air is very thick at that altitude. That velocity is well beyond the maximum cruising altitude of a 767--that's at high altitude. With that kind of low altitude drag, that aircraft would have experienced severe aerodynamic stress, assuming a 767 is even capable of reaching that speed at that altitude. So again, these people weren't just aiming. In the case of flight 175, this alleged hijacker was performing an amazing feat of pilotage.

Crazy, huh? It's almost as if the pilot had a death wish or something.

 

[tempesta29]

because he was such an inexperienced pilot he overflew the target from much too high an altitude. It wasn't so much of a spiral as it was a descending wide turn. He cannot see that he was so close to the ground because of the instrument panel. but needed to see the seven story building to hit it, As far as target selection it is easy to pick out a unique five sided building from altitude, Not so easy to pick from a selection of much smaller buildings with domes on them.

Wait, I thought experience didn't affect "pointing" and "aiming". Now it does? How exactly did he miss the Pentagon? It's huge and easy to locate in advance using surrounding landmarks. If you point a plane down then your target comes easily into view. Again, why didn't he just "aim" it down? There is nothing logical nor feasible about this alleged assault.

what you are commiting is known as the Texas sharpshooter fallacy

No. It isn't.