Breaking news! Truther Ignored by Senator!

[chipmunk stew]

And then... how does this translate into 80+ columns spontaneously and concomitantly losing 100% of their resistance? Oh yeah, it doesn't. Fire can't do that. It doesn't even make steel high rises collapse, let alone at the rate of gravity.

The NIST report describes the mechanism quite clearly, even for a layman. It was not spontaneous, but it was nearly concomitant because of the lateral propagation part of the chain of failures after the initiating event at column 79.

If you want to understand what happened, start here:
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1A.pdf

 

[Regnad Kcin]

But youu want me to tell you exactly what happened? I can't say. I know what didn't happen, and I know the official story is BS. All I get in response to the above are ad hominem arguments.

Just popping in to say things have been super busy here in Kcinland, but I'll have my explanation about the 100% impossibility of an "inside job" posted ASAP.

 

[chipmunk stew]

I've already seen that video. I've seen those fires. They were isolated to a handful of floors on the north face. In fact, they are just as I described: isolated fires on the north face, visible fires on the east

Really? That isn't how you described it earlier:

The scope of fires? In collapse videos I don't even see a single flame, so we know the fires didn't spread very deeply from the south face. Not only this, but images of the east and west sides of WTC 7 show very little to no fire. I've seen some fire coming out of east face windows but not a single fire on the west face. In other words: this was not an inferno. This was a fire almost completely isolated to the south face. This means the overwhelming majority of columns were not only strong, they were untouched.

Oops.

If you are being truthful and have actually seen that video, watch it again. Floor 7 at a minimum is fully involved. Fire in every North window. That fire obviously didn't start on the North face, which means it spread to there, which means the entire floor was engulfed.

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by tempesta29
I know the official story is BS.

And WE know that 9-11 Truth is BS.

 

[fess]

I've already seen that video. I've seen those fires. They were isolated to a handful of floors on the north face. In fact, they are just as I described: isolated fires on the north face, visible fires on the east

You must be under the assumption that I care how I look to you or that you can somehow make me feel stupid just by instructing me. I'm not as impressionable as you are.

I really don't believe anyone needs to instruct you on how to feel stupid.
I am however quite impressed by your lack of knowledge in the characteristics of fire behavior and fire fighting tactics.

No. I think they were patsies who were sent to flight schools to round out the hijacker story. It's a narrative. They're an essential part of that. I don't think they flew these planes at all. They didn't seem to take flying that seriously. They're flight instructors confirm that.

You are right, the hijackers didn’t “fly” the aircraft, they aimed them. But, before you turn into a full blown no-planer, try to acquire a little knowledge on the basics of powered flight.

It was also reported that hijackers were partying pretty hard just days before the attacks, in some cases the day before. None of this is at all consistent with dedicated fundamentalists on the eve of a major suicide attack.

Something they had been doing for several years.

 

[funk de fino]

The scope of fires? In collapse videos I don't even see a single flame, so we know the fires didn't spread very deeply from the south face. Not only this, but images of the east and west sides of WTC 7 show very little to no fire. I've seen some fire coming out of east face windows but not a single fire on the west face. In other words: this was not an inferno. This was a fire almost completely isolated to the south face. This means the overwhelming majority of columns were not only strong, they were untouched.

This is another lie. There were confirmed fires on at least 13 floors. The NIST report describe the movement and size of the fires. You just have to handwave it. I suggest you research further then come back when you have patched the holes in your knowledge of 911 because you are putting up a terrible show repeating long debunked nonsense. If you really are a Brit then that is really embarrassing.

 

[funk de fino]

Or perhaps firefighters were on the side where the fire was and therefore described the fire they saw.

I suggest you go and find Mike Catalano's witness statements. He debunks your nonsense. He was inside the building when it was on fire and was lucky to escape.

 

[funk de fino]

It was also reported that hijackers were partying pretty hard just days before the attacks, in some cases the day before. None of this is at all consistent with dedicated fundamentalists on the eve of a major suicide attack.

This has been proven to be false. Try reading something other than truther sites which tell you lies.

 

[dafydd]

This is another lie. There were confirmed fires on at least 13 floors. The NIST report describe the movement and size of the fires. You just have to handwave it. I suggest you research further then come back when you have patched the holes in your knowledge of 911 because you are putting up a terrible show repeating long debunked nonsense. If you really are a Brit then that is really embarrassing.

Is he a Brit? So am I,how embarassing!

 

[tempesta29]

I really don't believe anyone needs to instruct you on how to feel stupid.
I am however quite impressed by your lack of knowledge in the characteristics of fire behavior and fire fighting tactics.

That's funny. I like humor.

Fire doesn't make steel framed high rises collapse at free fall, so don't talk to me about what you know about what fire does.

You are right, the hijackers didn’t “fly” the aircraft, they aimed them. But, before you turn into a full blown no-planer, try to acquire a little knowledge on the basics of powered flight.

And pilots only fly planes when they're taking off and landing right? Do you refer to what a pilot is doing, as a passenger, as "aiming the plane"? These pilots, who couldn't even fly their single engine prop planes according to flight instructors, just hopped into these huge aircraft, navigated, and flew them into these targets? Flight 175 hit the South Tower at 586 mph according to Wikipedia, which appears to be an FAA figure. Do you think this is a feasible speed to fly a 767 at sea level? How about by a man who's never flown such a class of aircraft in his life? No, they didn't just aim them. Allah himself must have been flying 175.

Something they had been doing for several years.

Yeeeeehaw! The hard-partying dumbass fundamentalist Muslims who changed the world, right after banging some hookers! Wooooo!

Yawn.

 

[tempesta29]

This has been proven to be false. Try reading something other than truther sites which tell you lies.

I got one bit from the Boston Herald.

 

[tempesta29]

Is he a Brit? So am I,how embarassing!

You should be embarrassed. You're living in a police state.

 

[funk de fino]

I got one bit from the Boston Herald.

Liar, you got it from a site which posted a story from the Boston Herald eh?

It is not true and has been proven to be not true. If you are so sure bring it here and lets look at it again.

 

[funk de fino]

And pilots only fly planes when they're taking off and landing right? Do you refer to what a pilot is doing, as a passenger, as "aiming the plane"? These pilots, who couldn't even fly their single engine prop planes according to flight instructors, just hopped into these huge aircraft, navigated, and flew them into these targets? Flight 175 hit the South Tower at 586 mph according to Wikipedia, which appears to be an FAA figure. Do you think this is a feasible speed to fly a 767 at sea level? How about by a man who's never flown such a class of aircraft in his life? No, they didn't just aim them. Allah himself must have been flying 175.

You are clueless on aircraft. You are lying about the instructors. The same instructor you would quote if you were capable also said that the pilot could easily have hit the building. Don't want to mention that though do you?

Some of those pilots had commercial pilots licenses. They had trained in simulators.

 

[funk de fino]

You should be embarrassed. You're living in a police state.

No, we are not.

 

[dafydd]

You should be embarrassed. You're living in a police state.

Very funny. Keep it up. I have no experience of living in a police state but Flanders does come into that category. To get back on topic,do you have any maths to back up your claims?

 

[dafydd]

Fire doesn't make steel framed high rises collapse at free fall, so don't talk to me about what you know about what fire does.



.

What training do you have in this field? Amaze us with your vast knowledge instead of referring to loony 911 sites.

 

[tempesta29]

You are clueless on aircraft. You are lying about the instructors. The same instructor you would quote if you were capable also said that the pilot could easily have hit the building. Don't want to mention that though do you?

Lying about which instructors? When you directly accuse someone of lying you should probably back it up.

Some of those pilots had commercial pilots licenses. They had trained in simulators.

LOL. I just don't know what else to say other than LOL. I hate internet acronyms as much as most, but sometimes they just work.

No, we are not.

Says the compliant Scotsman. Go to London and be filmed doing anything, anywhere. Then try and film an officer of the law doing what your tax dollars pay him to do, or film him doing whatever he deems "suspicious".

Then pull out your notepad and jot down the ironic bits, unless he confiscates your notepad along with your camera.

 

[dc1971]

What training do you have in this field? Amaze us with your vast knowledge instead of referring to loony 911 sites.

...and he ignores you one more time! not surprising

 

[triforcharity]

That's funny. I like humor.

Fire doesn't make steel framed high rises collapse at free fall, so don't talk to me about what you know about what fire does.

Show me the MATH!!! I've asked you more than a few times to show me the math to back this up. To date, you have avoided this thing like a hooker to a cop.

And pilots only fly planes when they're taking off and landing right? Do you refer to what a pilot is doing, as a passenger, as "aiming the plane"? These pilots, who couldn't even fly their single engine prop planes according to flight instructors, just hopped into these huge aircraft, navigated, and flew them into these targets? Flight 175 hit the South Tower at 586 mph according to Wikipedia, which appears to be an FAA figure. Do you think this is a feasible speed to fly a 767 at sea level? How about by a man who's never flown such a class of aircraft in his life? No, they didn't just aim them. Allah himself must have been flying 175.

Hani et al. had commercial pilots licenses, issued by the FAA.

http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/643_hani_hanjour_pilot_license2050081722-10063-1.jpg

Yes, it is absolutely possible to fly a plane at sea level if you don't care about safety.

At about 33:50 in this video, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561# you will see that the Greebelt (Maryland) Gazette interviewed the instructor at the flight school, and he said that he had no doubt that Hani Hanjour could fly the plane.

"The standard evaluation consists of one-to-one-and-a-half-hour flights east over the Chesapeake Bay area. Hanjour paid $400 cash and provided a valid pilot's license from Arizona, Bernard said. He failed because he showed problems landing the airplane and the flight instructor had to help him, Bernard said. But Hanjour's problems were nothing unusual, Bernard said. "There's no doubt in my mind that once (Flight 77) got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it"

Yeeeeehaw! The hard-partying dumbass fundamentalist Muslims who changed the world, right after banging some hookers! Wooooo!

Yawn.

There's that humor that you love