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Bowling Green Massacre

Archie Gemmill Goal said:
A mere point of technicality but is attacking a US soldier engaged in operations overseas considered an attack on the US?
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I would have thought that attacking the armed forces of the USA counts as attacking the USA. (But I am not a military lawyer).

Archie Gemmill Goal said:
It seems like what these guys were doing was the equivalent of the Americans who were supporting the IRA during the troubles? Would that be fair?
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I would have said it was equivalent to a British resident supporting the IRA during the troubles. (If you're resident/refugee in a country it seems especially churlish to support attacks on its soldiers).
 
Giz said:
Which I didn't do (thanks in advance for your apology... kellyanne).

I responded to
"They weren't planning an attack within the US."
with the clarification:
"They were planning an attack on the US. "
That's all.
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Which is a completely irrelevant and pointless "clarification", since the falseness of her claim about a "Bowling Green Massacre" is not only not mitigated by that, it's exacerbated by that.

btw, when you respond to my comment:
"They were planning an attack on the US. "
with this:
"Attack invading soldiers in wartime in the country those soldiers had invaded."
Do you think that makes what they did, OK?
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No, it's to point out that guerilla attacks on invading soldiers in the country they invaded are at a different level than terrorist attacks on civilians in a completely different country. And trying to say that the former justifies trying to (totally falsely) imply the latter, as Conway was doing, is nothing more than compounding the lie.
 
Meadmaker said:
I hate Trump as much as the next person, but on this one KellyAnne is getting a raw deal.

The Bowling Green Massacre was a failed plot. No, there was no massacre, but there was a planned massacre. Two Iraqi refugees were arrested, convicted, and jailed. It happened in 2011.
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Raw deal? :jaw-dropp

There was no planned massacre. Let me guess, that is what Fox News is misreporting. :rolleyes:

Kellyanne Conway cites ‘Bowling Green massacre’ that never happened to defend travel ban
As a result of the Bowling Green investigation, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, 25, was sentenced to life in federal prison. Waad Ramadan Alwan, 31, was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, followed by a life term of supervised release. Both men pleaded guilty to federal terrorism charges.

Both men admitted having taken part in attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq, not in Bowling Green.
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The two men had participated in fighting before they got here and were convicted of planning to send money and supplies back.
Hammadi and Alwan both admitted, in FBI interviews that followed waiver of their Miranda rights, to participation in the purported material support operations in Kentucky, and both provided the FBI details of their prior involvement in insurgent activities while living in Iraq. Both men believed their activities in Kentucky were supporting AQI. Alwan admitted participating in IED attacks against U.S. soldiers in Iraq, and Hammadi admitted to participating in 10 to 11 IED attacks as well as shooting at a U.S. soldier in an observation tower.
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I suppose you also bought her morning walk-back that she misspoke, not admitting to having her facts wrong? And not even addressing her main claim, the press didn't cover it. Obviously they did.
 
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Giz said:
I would have thought that attacking the armed forces of the USA counts as attacking the USA. (But I am not a military lawyer).
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Possibly but it seems a bit churlish, to use your word, to invade a country and then class an attack on your soldiers as an attack on the US.

I would have said it was equivalent to a British resident supporting the IRA during the troubles. (If you're resident/refugee in a country it seems especially churlish to support attacks on its soldiers).
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I'm sure there were plenty of those too. I just thought that was a particularly apt example given some of the individuals in the US who were associated with fundraising for the IRA...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nths-before-ira-attacked-london-a6767601.html

Worse still, the IRA bombing of Canary Wharf actually happened!
 
uke2se said:
They should, however, call her out on every single falsehood. Prevent her from doing her job by demanding evidence for every single thing she says.
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Instead it's like she has Chris Matthews hypnotized, he ended the piece complimenting her on her unassailable counter messages. :rolleyes:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Instead it's like she has Chris Matthews hypnotized, he ended the piece complimenting her on her unassailable counter messages. :rolleyes:
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She is very good at what she does, which is misinformation. She is a ********ter of the highest order.
 
timhau said:
Do we have any numbers for Trump's post-inauguration approval rate yet?
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Does it really matter? - even in the unlikely event he admitted to not being the most greatest, most popular president ever in history, I see no reason to believe that he would allow that to influence his behavior.
 
This is a bad thing. Conway screwed up. There can be--and should be--reasonable debate about stricter immigration controls. But that can't happen as long as this kind of thing is going on. Conway needs to acknowledge the mistake and apologize as soon as possible.
 
theprestige said:
This is a bad thing. Conway screwed up. There can be--and should be--reasonable debate about stricter immigration controls. But that can't happen as long as this kind of thing is going on. Conway needs to acknowledge the mistake and apologize as soon as possible.
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I don't know if she apologized but she walked it back this morning, claiming she misspoke and meant to say "terrorists" instead of "massacre." This makes no sense in context. It also says nothing to the fact that the press indeed covered the actual event.
 
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Yet more evidence that the media are out to get Trump. They are utterly failing to do their duty of confirming all alternative facts offered up by the Greatest President Ever and his staff.
 
theprestige said:
This is a bad thing. Conway screwed up. There can be--and should be--reasonable debate about stricter immigration controls. But that can't happen as long as this kind of thing is going on. Conway needs to acknowledge the mistake and apologize as soon as possible.
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She literally can't, physically or mentally.

If she admits to being wrong once, her entire brand is destroyed.
 
Bowling Green Strong.

I am immediately going to pray to a fake god on behalf of victims who do not exist.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
She literally can't, physically or mentally.

If she admits to being wrong once, her entire brand is destroyed.
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She literally has, about an hour after she said it.

The Washington Post gave this story zero pinocchios after she corrected the error. (Sorry. No link. Interested parties will have to find via google.)

So, instead of the Bowling Green massacre, she meant the Bowling Green terrorists. And those guys were not convicted of planning terrorist attacks in the US, but they did discuss the possibility. The tape was played at their sentencing hearing.

In a way, I'm glad to see the Trump administration in trouble for something like this. It reminds me so much of Benghazi, where a former administration's official used imprecise language and it was twisted into unrecognizable verbiage that was allegedly proof of a conspiracy to cover up something. That was hogwash. In a way, it's good to see Trump hoisted by his own petard. However, what would be even better would be to see a rational debate about whether it's a good idea to ban Iraqi immigrants. Perhaps some would see the schemes of those two guys in Bowling Green as relevant to the debate.

Or, we could parse sentences and play gotcha.
 
Resume said:
Which is vastly different than her claim about a massacre carried out in Bowling Green, KY which the press didn't cover.
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The place actually exists so for her it's pretty much about the most truthful she's said in a year!
 
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