Bowling Green Massacre

[Resume]

Or, we could parse sentences and play gotcha.

There's no gotcha here. She got caught and had to walk it back, despite the fact that her walk-back makes no sense in context, and it does not address the fact the she lied about the press not covering the original actual event.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-to-defend-travel-ban/?utm_term=.e001aa69bc2e

“Most people don’t know that because it didn’t get covered,” Conway said.

********.

 

[Mumbles]

I'm shocked that Frederick Douglass hasn't spoken out on this tragedy.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Bowling Green Strong.

I am immediately going to pray to a fake god on behalf of victims who do not exist.

Nominated.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

She literally has, about an hour after she said it.

The Washington Post gave this story zero pinocchios after she corrected the error. (Sorry. No link. Interested parties will have to find via google.)

So, instead of the Bowling Green massacre, she meant the Bowling Green terrorists. And those guys were not convicted of planning terrorist attacks in the US, but they did discuss the possibility. The tape was played at their sentencing hearing.

In a way, I'm glad to see the Trump administration in trouble for something like this. It reminds me so much of Benghazi, where a former administration's official used imprecise language and it was twisted into unrecognizable verbiage that was allegedly proof of a conspiracy to cover up something. That was hogwash. In a way, it's good to see Trump hoisted by his own petard. However, what would be even better would be to see a rational debate about whether it's a good idea to ban Iraqi immigrants. Perhaps some would see the schemes of those two guys in Bowling Green as relevant to the debate.

Or, we could parse sentences and play gotcha.

Oh for God sake. She lied to suit her story. There was no imprecision. End of.

As for a rational debate about whether it's good to ban Iraqi immigrants I'm not sure what debate there needs to be. It isn't. End of. Any debate on that is not going to be 'rational'

 

[Spindrift]

So how long until the conspiracy theorists say that the Bowling Green Massacre DID happen? KellyAnne slipped up and let out the Truth!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

She literally has, about an hour after she said it.

The Washington Post gave this story zero pinocchios after she corrected the error. (Sorry. No link. Interested parties will have to find via google.)

So, instead of the Bowling Green massacre, she meant the Bowling Green terrorists. And those guys were not convicted of planning terrorist attacks in the US, but they did discuss the possibility. The tape was played at their sentencing hearing.

In a way, I'm glad to see the Trump administration in trouble for something like this. It reminds me so much of Benghazi, where a former administration's official used imprecise language and it was twisted into unrecognizable verbiage that was allegedly proof of a conspiracy to cover up something. That was hogwash. In a way, it's good to see Trump hoisted by his own petard. However, what would be even better would be to see a rational debate about whether it's a good idea to ban Iraqi immigrants. Perhaps some would see the schemes of those two guys in Bowling Green as relevant to the debate.

Or, we could parse sentences and play gotcha.

Why do you give this propagandist so much benefit of the doubt?

She said massacre in Bowling Green the press didn't cover.

They weren't even terrorists, they had fought US soldiers in Iraq. That is not the definition of a terrorist. They were convicted of intent to aid and abet "in Iraq", again not the definition of a terrorist.

No mention the press did cover it while she admitted they did in her own walk-back Tweet.


Are you also under the Conway spell? Maybe when she talks fast and furiously it has an hypnotic effect on some people.

 

[Spindrift]

The Washington Post gave this story zero pinocchios after she corrected the error.

That's only because after two weeks of the Trump administration, they've exhausted the world supply of pinocchios.

 

[fuelair]

I think it goes with the administration itself doing the same thing.

Yes, clearly this!!!!!

 

[fuelair]

Why do you give this propagandist so much benefit of the doubt?

She said massacre in Bowling Green the press didn't cover.

They weren't even terrorists, they had fought US soldiers in Iraq. That is not the definition of a terrorist. They were convicted of intent to aid and abet "in Iraq", again not the definition of a terrorist.

No mention the press did cover it while she admitted they did in her own walk-back Tweet.


Are you also under the Conway spell? Maybe when she talks fast and furiously it has an hypnotic effect on some people.

No, I listen fast and the brown stuff coming out of her mouth lets me know immediately that she is talking **** again!!!!!!

 

[Arcade22]

So, instead of the Bowling Green massacre, she meant the Bowling Green terrorists. And those guys were not convicted of planning terrorist attacks in the US, but they did discuss the possibility. The tape was played at their sentencing hearing.

She also incorrectly stated that Obama banned refugees from Iraq and falsely claimed that that the "bowling green massacre" (or terrorists) were not covered by "the media" something that's demonstrably false.

As a spokesperson she should not just be weighing every single word she says but also what she doesn't say. In this role she's incredibly sloppy and amateurish yet Trump likes her because she's willing to defend him whether it requires lying or bending the truth. This alone says a lot of the kind of person Trump is.

She's making not just making a fool of Trump, she's also making a fool out of America.

 

[Architect]

That article doesn't support a massacre in Bowling Green.

 

[Spindrift]

She also incorrectly stated that Obama banned refugees from Iraq and falsely claimed that that the "bowling green massacre" (or terrorists) were not covered by "the media" something that's demonstrably false.

As a spokesperson she should not just be weighing every single word she says but also what she doesn't say. In this role she's incredibly sloppy and amateurish yet Trump likes her because she's willing to defend him whether it requires lying or bending the truth. This alone says a lot of the kind of person Trump is.

She's making not just making a fool of Trump, she's also making a fool out of America.

She is not making of fool of Trump. That was self-inflicted.

 

[CORed]

This massacre is nearly as tragic as the Bosnian sniper fire incident.

When all else fails, try a tu quoque.

 

[Dancing David]

Yuppers?!! The article you posted said nothing about a planned attack in Bowling Green. The guys arrested in Bowling Green were trying to send weapons TO IRAQ. They weren't planning an attack within the US.

Did you read the post I was responding too? I was agreeing with Meadmaker.


ETA: Concerning it not being a massacre

 

[A'isha]

So, instead of the Bowling Green massacre, she meant the Bowling Green terrorists.

Which is another lie from her, since there's no way to "accidentally" label something a massacre when there wasn't even any kind of "massacre" planned (much less one carried out), and she used the word "it" and not "them", meaning she clearly thought her fake massacre (singular) was a real incident and referred to it that way, and wasn't at all thinking about terrorists (plural).

 

[Dancing David]

He was saying "yuppers" to the claim that Conway was getting a raw deal b/c two terrorists were arrested for planning an attack in Bowling Green.

Nope, i was agreeing with the second part, i wonder what the article I posted said?

certainly nothing about KC

ETA: Sheesh I forgot how charged up people get in this forum.

If I mean to support KC I believe I am capable of doing so, from my death bed

 

[CORed]

The place actually exists so for her it's pretty much about the most truthful she's said in a year!

She was perfectly truthful when she said the press didn't cover it. They didn't cover it because it didn't happen, but it's true that they didn't cover it.

 

[bonzombiekitty]

Nope, i was agreeing with the second part, i wonder what the article I posted said?

certainly nothing about KC

The article you posted said nothing about a planned massacre in Bowling Green.

Meadmaker said:

The Bowling Green Massacre was a failed plot. No, there was no massacre, but there was a planned massacre. Two Iraqi refugees were arrested, convicted, and jailed. It happened in 2011.

You responded "Yuppers", seemingly agreeing with this and posted an article.

Except the article said nothing about a planned massacre - which is the important part. The refugees weren't planning a massacre, they were trying to send weapons and money to insurgents in Iraq.

Had the guys been arrested for planning an attack in Bowling Green, I'd give KC the benefit of a doubt on that point in that she just misspoke. But they weren't. The whole idea of a massacre in Bowling Green is made up.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I'm suggesting the massacre took place on Feb 7th, 2011.
I have done extensive research on this, and to the best of what I found, this seems to be the date.

I found this photo of it in progress...

 

[ddt]

She literally can't, physically or mentally.

If she admits to being wrong once, her entire brand is destroyed.

She literally has, about an hour after she said it.

The Washington Post gave this story zero pinocchios after she corrected the error. (Sorry. No link. Interested parties will have to find via google.)

I assume you mean this page? It says:

Uncorrected, this would have been worth Four Pinocchios. But Conway says it’s an “honest mistake.” We appreciate that she sought to correct the record. Readers can judge for themselves, but as we don’t play gotcha, we will leave this unrated.

Personally, I don't buy the "honest mistake". Kellyanne is the Orange Führer's primary spokesperson, and the immigration ban one of his most controversial decisions - not just in hindsight, you could predict that.

Let's look at what she precisely said (copied from wiki):

I bet, there was very little coverage — I bet it's brand new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized — and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre. I mean, most people don't know that because it didn't get covered.

She added another sentence to it, but I can't make out what she said.

There's a load of falsehoods in that statement.

1) Obama did not institute a six-month ban. He upped the vetting on Iraqi refugees, but every subsequent month, Iraqi refugees were admitted. On top of that, the intent of this statement is to equivocate it with Trump's ban, which is much wider in scope both in nationalities and in types of visas.

2) The two terrorists in question were not radicalized while in the USA; they had already committed terrorist actions while in Iraq and posed successfully as refugees. This falsehood actually makes no sense, as trying to discern who will become radicalized is like reading tea leaves.

3) There was no massacre in Bowling Green. The two terrorists didn't either plan to commit a massacre themselves.

4) They didn't even manage to get their contraband out of the USA.

5) All of that was widely reported at the time. For the stricter vetting, and not ban, see this WaPo fact checker.

Lastly, I don't think that Kellyanne deserves any leniency. She has been Trump's mouthpiece for, what, the last half year, and has been continually peddling lies, or, as she prefers to call them, "alternative facts". When she says it's raining, I look out the window to check it. The baseline for any utterance of her should be four pinocchios.