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Merged Boston Marathon CTs

Lenbrazil said:
The guilty always preturn to the scene of the crime!

To see his handiwork.

Take your pick!
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I'm always reminded by this of an early "study" on the psychology of crime that concluded that pick-pockets attended hangings because of some vicarious need to be proxy punished; to see the death that came to criminals and know that they have escaped it for another day.

It wasn't until crime began to be studied as an occupation, and criminals interviewed in that light, they realized a public hanging meant a big crowd of people all staring in one direction.
 
Biscuit said:
That is some seriously warped logic going on there. From the comments,



Some people have no idea what they are talking about. People in shock don't flay about screaming. No matter how the victims and responders behaved it would suspicious to these people.

Too much blood, not enough blood! Where are the toes!!!??? That an EMT can, from several still images diagnose injuries fake or real is beyond belief.
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This alleged EMT made two very basic anatomical errors. First of all he claimed that Bauman can't have head his legs blown off because he would "bleed out" through his femoral artery "in seconds". Now the femoral artery runs along, as the name suggests, to the femur. It stops just above the knee. Bauman's legs were removed below the knee. This is abundantly clear from the photos.

Second thing is that he repeats the claim that Bauman was actually a "crisis actor", Lt Nick Vogt. Here's where the theory becomes completely unravelled: Firstly Vogt lost his legs in an IED attack in Afghanistan well above the knees. This means that his injuries and Bauman's were completely different. But furthermore Vogt lost both legs above the knees in a similar blast to the Boston bombings only this time it did in fact sever the femoral artery and he did not bleed out "in seconds".

The original blog has a comments section in which another anonymous internet user makes the claim to be an EMT and thus qualified to dismiss the event based on the colour of the blood. It's an argument of personal incredulity but also a claim to authority, which I suspect does not exist. We see a lot of this on these sorts of blogs, where someone claims to be an authority on the subject and thereby proclaims on the subject. "I am a doctor and..." or "I am a police officer and..." or "I am a civil engineer and..." or "I am a lawyer and..." are the sorts of statements. It's totally anonymous, completely unverifiable and goes utterly unchallenged in that sort of forum.

What fun it would be to go on there claiming "I agree, I am a terrorist and there's no way I'd leave the bombs in backpacks. I'd put them in the planters!"
 
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Praktik said:
The issue is you are advancing with the idea there are shared premises - that don't exist.

So it's "disgusting" - IF there really was an attack with real victims.

That ISN'T a shared premise though, so isn't it obvious how they could dismiss it with "such ease"?

To them they are doing all of us a service as they show us the LIES we believe - internally there is no moral problem posed by their ideas because there is no one to TRULY feel sympathy for.

The problem is your understandable emotional reaction to the challenge of these ridiculous ideas is to ascribe the worst motivations to your antagonists. Everyone rationalizes their actions and beliefs, you me and all of them in Tinfoilville.

The really sad thing is in their heads - they are actually HELPING us all by telling us about how the victims were actors in Sandy Hook or Boston, or that no jews died on 9/11...

I think its emotionally satisfying to castigate the CTers for some of the moral problems introduced by their ideas - but its hard to extend all the way into their minds and castigate them for being heartless, when they are rationalized such that their ideas don't carry anywhere near the same harm as they do to others who don't share their bizarre view of the world. Probably in their day to day lives they are just as much the loving people to those around them as you and I are with our families.

The best analog is Religion - some religious ideas are very harmful, but try getting that across to a True Believer.
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I don't know what all the super secret government agencies are doing but do you think they just sit on their thumbs waiting for bad stuff to happen?
You've heard of Black Ops?
 
Clayton Moore said:
I don't know what all the super secret government agencies are doing but do you think they just sit on their thumbs waiting for bad stuff to happen?
You've heard of Black Ops?
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Got any hard evidence that the Boston bombing was a "black-op"?
 
nomuse said:
I'm always reminded by this of an early "study" on the psychology of crime that concluded that pick-pockets attended hangings because of some vicarious need to be proxy punished; to see the death that came to criminals and know that they have escaped it for another day.

It wasn't until crime began to be studied as an occupation, and criminals interviewed in that light, they realized a public hanging meant a big crowd of people all staring in one direction.
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Pratchett?

Clayton Moore said:
I don't know what all the super secret government agencies are doing but do you think they just sit on their thumbs waiting for bad stuff to happen?
You've heard of Black Ops?
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Is that the one with the zombies?
 
trustbutverify said:
I've had interactions with quite a few hardcore conspiracy half-wits, online and in-person. Including holocaust "researchers". I've generally found them to be hateful, dishonest, racist and egomaniacal. But that's just my experience.
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I've found that the self appointed CT debunkers almost to a man/woman feel it necessary to express themselves as you have.


Since you mentioned it I've found just the opposite in that the haters are not the revisionists. I'd replace egomaniacal with Shitat Mazliach. You'll have to do a Bing search to find out the meaning of Shitat Mazliach as google has removed definitions, explanations, and examples of its use.
 
Courier said:
Got any hard evidence that the Boston bombing was a "black-op"?
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I don't know what all the super secret government agencies are doing

No.

But do you really think the FBI doesn't keep tabs on people after they visit them? You think they had no idea of the older brother's leanings?
 
NoahFence said:
For Clayton:

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15895-random-notes-from-the-police-state
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Awesome article. By this stage ridicule seems the most appropriate response to kneejerk conspiracising.

Guess what, you intrepid sleuths with your theories about the "police state" in Boston and "martial law" and Miranda? That's you, too. You're just as bad as CNN and MSNBC. You're in the same chapter of this story, titled How I Spent A Week In April Making A Fool Of Myself In Front Of Everybody.

Comes the cry, "But but but we're just trying to get to the truth!"

No, you're not. You are masturbating in public, and you are using our city and our experience as lube. You are short-stroking the idea that you are a constitutional scholar, terrorism expert, law enforcement expert, ballistics expert, Chechen expert, lawyer, doctor, sociologist, psychologist and seer all at once, and I know it feels really good, because you can't stop no matter how many times you get the facts wrong.

I'm not asking you to stop. I'm not asking you to do anything. I am washing my hands of you, and good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Clayton Moore said:
Since you mentioned it I've found just the opposite in that the haters are not the revisionists. I'd replace egomaniacal with Shitat Mazliach. You'll have to do a Bing search to find out the meaning of Shitat Mazliach as google has removed definitions, explanations, and examples of its use.
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so has Bing, the ONLY two hits for Shitat Mazliach (copied and pasted from your post) on either Google or Bing are two two JREF threads where YOU invoked the term.

which makes me think you're misspelling it, if it even exists. Unless you can provide a link to where someone else used it, perhaps spelled correctly, then some people might think you're just making it all up.
 
Nick Terry said:
Awesome article. By this stage ridicule seems the most appropriate response to kneejerk conspiracising.
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Senator: FBI Missed Boston Suspect Because of Misspelled Name
Lindsay Graham claims the FBI dropped the ball
http://politix.topix.com/homepage/5...rnaevs-russia-trip-because-of-misspelled-name
The FBI missed the fact that Tamerlan Tsarnaev went to Russia for 6 months in 2011 because his name was misspelled, claims Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC).

"He went over to Russia, but apparently when he got on the airplane, they misspelled his name, so it never went into the system that he actually went to Russia," Graham said on Fox, saying that his source was an assistant director of the FBI.

On Sunday Graham accused the FBI or "dropping the ball," but he later tempered his criticism of the agency. "One of two things happened," Graham said on Monday. "The FBI either dropped the ball or our system doesn't allow the FBI to follow this guy in an appropriate fashion...The reason we didn't know he went to Russia is because the name was misspelled."
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How could his name be misspelled? How could he buy a ticket without accurate ID?
 
You misspelled the Hebrew phrase "shitat matzliach", which means 'trying it on'.

The very fact that there's an English expression for the same thing, along with lots of synonyms (scam, con, etc) means that your invoking misspelled Hebrew is just further evidence of your unbelievably paranoid antisemitism.
 
Nick Terry said:
so has Bing, the ONLY two hits for Shitat Mazliach (copied and pasted from your post) on either Google or Bing are two two JREF threads where YOU invoked the term.

which makes me think you're misspelling it, if it even exists. Unless you can provide a link to where someone else used it, perhaps spelled correctly, then some people might think you're just making it all up.
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I think it's suppose to be שיטת מצליח (shitat matzliach):

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/word-of-the-day/word-of-the-day-shitat-matzliach-1.466312

Not that it really sheds much light on anything.

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ctamblyn said:
I think it's suppose to be שיטת מצליח (shitat matzliach):

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/word-of-the-day/word-of-the-day-shitat-matzliach-1.466312

Not that it really sheds much light on anything.

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yes, searching for shitat pointed the way soon enough. And in a totally irrelevant direction, since the main story is about telephone companies in Israel overcharging on phone bills, and legislation being proposed to prevent this. Oh, and waiters overcharging.

Like that never happened with utilities firms owned by the French/British/whoever, or in Venice/New York/Paris/London....
 
Nick Terry said:
yes, searching for shitat pointed the way soon enough. And in a totally irrelevant direction, since the main story is about telephone companies in Israel overcharging on phone bills, and legislation being proposed to prevent this. Oh, and waiters overcharging.

Like that never happened with utilities firms owned by the French/British/whoever, or in Venice/New York/Paris/London....
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I guess a lot of market traders in East London must be part of the devilish plot, too :)

ETA: as to the claim that Google had "removed definitions" etc. - once you spell it "shitat matzliach" no such censorship is evident ;)
 
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Clayton Moore said:
I've found that the self appointed CT debunkers almost to a man/woman feel it necessary to express themselves as you have.


Since you mentioned it I've found just the opposite in that the haters are not the revisionists. I'd replace egomaniacal with Shitat Mazliach. You'll have to do a Bing search to find out the meaning of Shitat Mazliach as google has removed definitions, explanations, and examples of its use.
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BWHAHAHAA!!!!!! Oh man, Clayton, you are a freaking peach!

Israel's largest newspaper is apparently hiding that term in plain site, for intrepid holocaust deniers to miss:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/word-of-the-day/word-of-the-day-shitat-matzliach-1.466312

Your research skills are freaking smoking sport!

Grrrr!
 
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