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Merged Boston Marathon CTs

http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=48865&start=10

This is my favourite one so far, from the GOODF page titled "Boston False Flag". There's NOTHING I've seen so far that so adequately sums up the CT mind-set than this word salad:


anyone asks you or your friends or family members if they want to take part in a ''Movie'' about terrorism, asks you do you want to earn some money and take part in an anti-terror drill / exercise make sure you dont need the money so much that you end up taking part in one of these false flag ops and ending up the worlds number one public enemy / fbi's most wanted terrorist / bin ladens right hand man who is behind this terror attack and that terror attack and the bali terror attack and the terror attack that killed that pakistani woman politician / the turkey terror attacks/ you controlled the remote controlled planes that wiped out the world trade center,/ you are abu hamza's best mate or flat-mate, and the list goes on and on and on....

they will hunt you down and parade you infront of the public, put your photos all over the internet, in the papers, on the news....

and all you did was take up the offer to earn £200 for 5 minutes work


the 7/7 bombers thought that they were just doing this. They were told that the explosives were fake, duds-Obviously they wernt- or had been swapped;
The Branch of firearms unit that shot jean paul menendez DIDNT know this was just an anti terror exercise and thought it was real (or at the least, didnt know about the ''planned'' drill that should have happened but ended up real) ..talk about compartmentalization!

the point is, these people are skint and are then made offers to ''help'' stop the terror attacks that even these patsies believe exist and pose a threat to our people. They are enticed into believing what they are doing is GOOD, and it would be, if the weapons were fakes as they were supposed to be.

any ****** asks me do I want to take part in a drill, id tell them to **** right off.

There's just so much wrong with this that I don't really know where to start...
 
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Or he'll hold his breath until he turns blue.......
 
I think many conspiracy theorists are full fledged sociopaths- many of them lack the ability to feel any empathy or compassion, and many C.T's appear to suffer from mental illness-hence their total detachment from reality, overwelming pananoia and delusions of persecution-But is there more to it? I'm just trying to understand how it is they can dismiss the anguish of others with such ease

The issue is you are advancing with the idea there are shared premises - that don't exist.

So it's "disgusting" - IF there really was an attack with real victims.

That ISN'T a shared premise though, so isn't it obvious how they could dismiss it with "such ease"?

To them they are doing all of us a service as they show us the LIES we believe - internally there is no moral problem posed by their ideas because there is no one to TRULY feel sympathy for.

The problem is your understandable emotional reaction to the challenge of these ridiculous ideas is to ascribe the worst motivations to your antagonists. Everyone rationalizes their actions and beliefs, you me and all of them in Tinfoilville.

The really sad thing is in their heads - they are actually HELPING us all by telling us about how the victims were actors in Sandy Hook or Boston, or that no jews died on 9/11...

I think its emotionally satisfying to castigate the CTers for some of the moral problems introduced by their ideas - but its hard to extend all the way into their minds and castigate them for being heartless, when they are rationalized such that their ideas don't carry anywhere near the same harm as they do to others who don't share their bizarre view of the world. Probably in their day to day lives they are just as much the loving people to those around them as you and I are with our families.

The best analog is Religion - some religious ideas are very harmful, but try getting that across to a True Believer.
 
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Any good solid resources (for) debunking these theories as this thread seems to focus on general CT bashing (no offence)?

Sure, the "drill" with the Air Guard is a lie. The unit has been there for a number of years (at least 2009, but I believe longer). There is a youtube video from last year and an article from 2009 I found that I can post later.
 
Any good solid resources (for) debunking these theories as this thread seems to focus on general CT bashing (no offence)?

Logic works well for the basics:

Theory A: The event was faked.

A. The video that we have onf the event shows people and property going from being uninjured/undamaged to injured/damaged in less than a second;
b. Given that make-up, costuming, and simulated damage/injuries take considerable time to execute we can conclude that the event either happened as per "the official version of events" (ie. there were two explosions causing casualties and property damage) or the footage was inserted;
c. Inserting the footage is unlikely due to the large number of people that would be able to debunk the whole thing by virtue of simply going to the general area and seeing that there is no damage.

We can therefore conclude that the explosions took place.

Theory B. The government did it to justify (x)

a. Pick whatever x is;
b. Ask yourself, "How does x relate to the planting of the bombs?"
i. Take away guns - no firearms were used in the main event, and other than the surviving accused, injuries from firearms in this entire incident have been minimal;
ii. Take away civil liberties - are there any proposals before Congress, the Senate, State legislatures to do that? Are there any calls for that; and
iii. Justify an increased security presence and social control for the elites through fear - this one is much harder to disprove as it requires a much more subtle hand - the way to deal with it is to recognize that either this plan has been going on for many years (general societal fears that crime, etc is rising, even if objective stats show that it is not), and would require a consensus amongst a variety of actors over an extended period of time (we're talking generations), which is unlikely given human nature.

If your response requires more than a couple of people to conspire carry out acts that would make most people blanch and that silence be maintained over many years I would posit that it is unlikely to happen that way as real people can't be counted on to keep silent without duct tape.

Theory C. It's a message

To whom and about what? So far all I'm gathering about the "message" is that:

a. Even with extensive security precautions, events can happen;
b. That group behaviours are somewhat predictable, even if individual behaviours aren't (ie. most people will move away from danger, some will move towards it, and some will try to help those people that they can); and
c. That given a reasoned explanation, people will accept a reasonable short term limitation on their freedom (ie. We're doing a wide area cordon and search - if at all possible stay where you are).

Generally, if getting the message requires more than one or two inferences, it's too subtle. For example, the one where this is a message from Israel to support them more strongly. That one requires that we draw the inference since Israel is facing a Muslim threat and the perpetrators have been revealed to be Muslim, we should support Israel more strongly because Israel also has a Muslim threat and if we don't then more of these events may happen.

Of course drawing that inference requires that we ignore the possibilty that it may have been a message from the Russians to support them in their actions in Chechyna (given the ethnic origin of the alleged bombers), a message from the Chechyans to support them or more of these events will occur, a message from radical Muslims to stop support for (x) or more events will happen, and the possibility that the bombers had other reasons for doing this.
 
So when was this Al Qaeda operative supposed to have been secretly deported? He seems to have just posted to his Facebook page on Friday.
 
Yeah he posted that on his company website, thus we can't believe what he said or be sure the pix weren't Photoshopped.[ OTOH there is no reason to doubt claims made on CT sites where they beg for money.]

Does that more or less some up what you were driving at CLE?

I'm glad you figured out. It would be so much easier if people were straightforward enough to say exactly what they mean. When forum members can only post cryptic messages it makes you wonder if they are fully aware that what they are hinting at wouldn't stand up to any logical scrutiny.
 
Logic works well for the basics:

I didn't ask for a logic lesson. Of course these theories don't make any sense. I asked guidance for finding resources debunking conspiracy theories about the boston marathon bombings. As you may know, they (CT's) make several detailed claims about the events (suspicious drills, announcements, suspects appearing where they shouldn't etc.) to support their predetermined conclusions. I came here looking for research and facts to counter these often quite detailed dubious claims.
 
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I didn't ask for a logic lesson. Of course these theories don't make any sense. I asked guidance for finding resources debunking conspiracy theories about the boston marathon bombings. As you may know, they (CT's) make several detailed claims about the events (suspicious drills, announcements, suspects appearing where they shouldn't etc.) to support their predetermined conclusions. I came here looking for research and facts to counter these often quite detailed dubious claims.

There is discussion here that debunks some of the wilder claims like that the uniformed service personnel were part of a plot. Sometimes posters have posted particular claims to be debunked like the claim that the older bomber was taken a live. If you have any particular questions I would ask and that will create discussion that could eventually form part of a detailed debunking of conspiracy theories.
 
The issue is you are advancing with the idea there are shared premises - that don't exist.

So it's "disgusting" - IF there really was an attack with real victims.

That ISN'T a shared premise though, so isn't it obvious how they could dismiss it with "such ease"?

To them they are doing all of us a service as they show us the LIES we believe - internally there is no moral problem posed by their ideas because there is no one to TRULY feel sympathy for.

The problem is your understandable emotional reaction to the challenge of these ridiculous ideas is to ascribe the worst motivations to your antagonists. Everyone rationalizes their actions and beliefs, you me and all of them in Tinfoilville.

The really sad thing is in their heads - they are actually HELPING us all by telling us about how the victims were actors in Sandy Hook or Boston, or that no jews died on 9/11...

I think its emotionally satisfying to castigate the CTers for some of the moral problems introduced by their ideas - but its hard to extend all the way into their minds and castigate them for being heartless, when they are rationalized such that their ideas don't carry anywhere near the same harm as they do to others who don't share their bizarre view of the world. Probably in their day to day lives they are just as much the loving people to those around them as you and I are with our families.

The best analog is Religion - some religious ideas are very harmful, but try getting that across to a True Believer.

I've had interactions with quite a few hardcore conspiracy half-wits, online and in-person. Including holocaust "researchers". I've generally found them to be hateful, dishonest, racist and egomaniacal. But that's just my experience.
 
An "EMT" claims that Jeff Bauman Jr. was an actor using prosthetic legs. He's posted a photo analysis:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-was-an-actor-at-boston-bombings-2626684.html

Personally, I have no idea what he's supposed to be pointing out in each picture. All I know is, if fake, that's the most realistic special effect I've ever seen.

That is some seriously warped logic going on there. From the comments,

And where are pieces of his legs? Feet? at least pieces like toes you think would be laying around. And he’s just laying there waiting patiently. Lol no going into shock? No screaming, crying? His face as he’s wheeled away is like…yea, this sucks” The cowboy pushing him looks more in shock & scared than him!!

Some people have no idea what they are talking about. People in shock don't flay about screaming. No matter how the victims and responders behaved it would suspicious to these people.

Too much blood, not enough blood! Where are the toes!!!??? That an EMT can, from several still images diagnose injuries fake or real is beyond belief.
 
I didn't ask for a logic lesson. Of course these theories don't make any sense. I asked guidance for finding resources debunking conspiracy theories about the boston marathon bombings. As you may know, they (CT's) make several detailed claims about the events (suspicious drills, announcements, suspects appearing where they shouldn't etc.) to support their predetermined conclusions. I came here looking for research and facts to counter these often quite detailed dubious claims.

I have yet to see any evidence for a drill being done so until I see evidence for the claim I am not likely to find evidence to debunk it.

The supposed "CRAFT" employees are National Guard WMD CST. Hard working men and women dedicated to helping in the event of a WMD event.

I don't know what you mean by "announcements" or "suspects appearing where they shouldn't."

I think the best debunking is the totally ridiculous claims being made. Amateur photo analysis riddle with conjecture is the best evidence I have seen.
 
I didn't ask for a logic lesson. Of course these theories don't make any sense. I asked guidance for finding resources debunking conspiracy theories about the boston marathon bombings. As you may know, they (CT's) make several detailed claims about the events (suspicious drills, announcements, suspects appearing where they shouldn't etc.) to support their predetermined conclusions. I came here looking for research and facts to counter these often quite detailed dubious claims.

As far as the 'mysterious Craft/SEALS/private military contractors', I have 10+ posts on this very thread thoroughly debunking that CT(starting on page 16 or 17).

Of the thousands of people at the Marathon, one track coach from Alabama is making a claim he heard there was a drill. From his interview-
There were dogs with their handlers going around sniffing for explosives, and we were told on a loud announcement that we shouldn’t be concerned and that it was just a drill

There is nothing suspicious about a bomb sniffing dog wherever people congregate. That's what they do. As for the loud announcement, I cannot disprove that, but only one man apparently heard this loud announcement, of the thousands of people present. That is pretty unlikely, but the CT crowd has taken one mans statement and run with it.

It doesn't matter if you counter a CT with facts, they will just conjure a new scenario where those facts fit within their CT. It's an endless loop.
 

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