Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

Since Bjarne's posts are 99.9999999942% hot air, they can rise all by themselves.

Hans

Together with the compressor, the cow and the low pressure I believe.

Anyway, - good you are still alive.
I was beginning to worry if the cow had had fall on you, when you was executing the experiment.

 

[Reality Check]

Now you only “weapon” is MANIPULATION
SHAME ON YOU RC.
I did never claims something that stupid.

Yes you did:

Originally Posted by Bjarne
Do you agree that even the rotation of a big tornado, is MUCH too small to that the Coriolis can be accused for anything.

SHAME ON YOU Bjarne .
But I will blame this on your bad English.

Now
The POINT RC, - is what is triggeringa hurricane west from Africa.

The prevailing orthodox religious answer is : the Chaos Theory. (
[uote]
The POINT Bjarne: You are ignorant of what triggers hurricanes west from Africa.
It is not chaos theory. It is a branch of meteorology called tropical cyclogenesis.

There are six main requirements that are necessary but not sufficient for tropical cyclogenesis: sufficiently warm sea surface temperatures, atmospheric instability, high humidity in the lower to middle levels of the troposphere, enough Coriolis force to sustain a low pressure center, a preexisting low level focus or disturbance, and low vertical wind shear. These conditions are necessary for tropical cyclone formation, but they do not guarantee that a tropical cyclone will form [3].
...
3. Chris Landsea. Subject: A15) How do tropical cyclones form ? Retrieved on 2008-06-08.

The prevailing scientific answer for the trigger for hurricane foirmation is not Chaos Theory. It is "the above conditions + other unknown factors on many cases".

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)​

 

[Bjarne]

RC
He also remains ignorant of the fact that the Coriolis force is not caused by the rotation of weather systems like tornadoes or cyclones or hurricanes.
Bjarne
Now you only “weapon” is MANIPULATION
SHAME ON YOU RC.
I did never claims something that stupid.
RC
Yes you did:

Liar
SHAME ON YOU RC.

 

[Bjarne]

The prevailing scientific answer for the trigger for hurricane foirmation is not Chaos Theory. It is "the above conditions + other unknown factors on many cases".

You wrote it yourself:

Quote 1:
+ other unknown factors on many cases

Quote 2:
These conditions are necessary for tropical cyclone formation, but they do not guarantee that a tropical cyclone will form

 

[Bjarne]

The prevailing scientific answer for the trigger for hurricane foirmation is not Chaos Theory

WHY – do you not watch this video:

How a hurricane is born - The Science Of Superstorms - BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f45jA5UxB0

All what you hear at the Video is true, except that is not an innocent dust devil (or “anything”) that trigger a hurricane, - but gravity.

 

[Bjarne]

All what you hear at the Video is true, except that is not an innocent dust devil (or “anything”) that trigger a hurricane, - but gravity.

 

[phunk]

Why would mass be attracted towards a lower density area?

 

[The Man]

Because it sucks, just like Bjarne’s gravitational notions, though for obviously (evidently to everyone except to Bjarne) different reasons.

 

[Reality Check]

Liar
SHAME ON YOU RC.

Liar
SHAME ON YOU Bjarne.

As I said:

SHAME ON YOU Bjarne .
But I will blame this on your bad English.

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)​

 

[Reality Check]

You wrote it yourself:

Quote 1:
+ other unknown factors on many cases

Quote 2:
These conditions are necessary for tropical cyclone formation, but they do not guarantee that a tropical cyclone will form

You displayed your ignorance yourself. Nether of these is chaos theory.
Quote 1:
+ other unknown factors on many cases
other factors are not chaos theory
Quote 2:
These conditions are necessary for tropical cyclone formation, but they do not guarantee that a tropical cyclone will form
not chaos theory

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)​

 

[Bjarne]

You displayed your ignorance yourself. Nether of these is chaos theory.

I have denied that all the time, -I have claimed it was NOT caused by chaos theory.
It was Hans idea that it was; Chaos Theory
Tell me have you been drinking?

 

[Reality Check]

I have denied that all the time, -I have claimed it was NOT caused by chaos theory.
It was Hans idea that it was; Chaos Theory

You are right - your ignorance of the use of the quote button seems to have fooled me.
MRC Hans is the first to mention chaos theory.
However it is unlikely to be used in cyclogenesis and would not be cited as a trigger for hurricanes. What would be cited are the six known factors that are necessary (but not sufficient) for tropical cyclone formation.

Tell me have you been drinking?

Tell me have you been drinking for almost a year now?
The continued ignorance in your posts suggests so:

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)​

since this includes your delusion that:
Physical quantities can be arbitrarily assigned units of measurement, e.g. an equation that returns numbers (no units) can be given units of m/s^2 or coulombs or kilograms just because Bjarne wants it to return acceleration or charge or mass. He ignorantly gives the Lorentz factor - 1 (a number) the units or acceleration.

• Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
  First asked 23 October 2009
  So far the answer is no !

 

[Reality Check]

WHY – do you not watch this video:

How a hurricane is born - The Science Of Superstorms - BBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f45jA5UxB0

All what you hear at the Video is true, except that is not an innocent dust devil (or “anything”) that trigger a hurricane, - but gravity.

All what you hear at the Video is true, except for your fantasy that gravity triggers a hurricane.

What often triggers a hurricane according to the video is a fluctuation in the jet stream - an easterly wave

Approximately 60% of Atlantic tropical cyclones originate from tropical waves, while approximately 85% of intense Atlantic hurricanes (Category 3 and greater) develop from tropical waves.

What triggers an easterly wave is any variation in surface conditons, including something as small as "a little girl playing in the sand".
This sounds like an expression of a small part of chaos theory - a tiny change in the input of a system can lead so a big chnage in the output. However the video makes it more sound like a cascading effect

• little girl playing in the sand triggers
• a dust devil which perturbs
• the atmosphere which creates
• an easterly wave which triggers
• a hurricane (mostly).

The reason that the little girl playing in the sand is not considered a trigger for a hurricane is that there is no way to trace the cascade back to her. A lizard causing a sandfall on a dune is as likely a "trigger".

I do hope that this small video is not all that you know about hurricanes but who knows given:

The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)​

 

[MRC_Hans]

Together with the compressor, the cow and the low pressure I believe.

Anyway, - good you are still alive.
I was beginning to worry if the cow had had fall on you, when you was executing the experiment.

In your experiment, where do you believe the low pressure is?

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

I have denied that all the time, -I have claimed it was NOT caused by chaos theory.
It was Hans idea that it was; Chaos Theory

You have kept referring to the video about, what was it, a dancing girl, or something. And you have claimed that this was presented as the cause for hurricanes. It is not, it is a reference to chaos theory.

What I have said is that there is a connection to chaos theory, but it is way out of your ability to comprenhend. Something you have amply confirmed by all the nonsense you have posted about it.

So, Bjarne, forget about chaos theory. It is not an issue we need to discuss, in this context. Actually, it is a little unfortunate that there are so many references to chaos theory in the context of weather systems, because the connection is really uncomprehensible to the uninitiated.

If you really want to learn about chaos theory, start at a more simple subject: Look up bifurcation, and take it from there.

Tell me have you been drinking?

Bjarne and everybody else, I have a suggestion: From this point on, we adhere to the normal civility code prevailing elsewhere in this forum. According to that, remarks like the above is off limits, so please drop it.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

RC
Approximately 60% of Atlantic tropical cyclones originate from tropical waves, while approximately 85% of intense Atlantic hurricanes (Category 3 and greater) develop from tropical waves.

This is only desperate speculation, never proven.
Misunderstood magnitude of central gravity (and the total failure of understanding how mass attraction works) is the reason for the desperate search for naïve reasons, to at all be able to answer ; what trigger a hurricane.
We know there still is more to learn, both when it comes to how hurricanes, tornadoes, as well as strange round hole in the clouds, - also this emphasize that something fundamentally important is not understood.

Naturally central gravity always keeps a low pressure together (to a certain degree), - due to that it is easy for the Coriolis to rotate a system (hurricane). Gravity is the basic for that can happen.

What triggers an easterly wave is any variation in surface conditons, including something as small as "a little girl playing in the sand".

Yehhhh
Or the breath of a hunchbacked African cow.
So we accuse cows for starting hurricanes, and cow-farts for being big parts of the cause of clime changing’s

What will be next we will accuse cows for ?

 

[MRC_Hans]

You are right - your ignorance of the use of the quote button seems to have fooled me.
MRC Hans is the first to mention chaos theory.

Let me elaborate slightly, for those with the potential to understand chaos theory.

If you balance a needle perfectly on its point, then in theory it should keep standing, but in practice, it will always fall over. From the moment the pin deviates from perfect balance, normal physical laws apply, but what fills the gap between the perfect condition and the realm of standard physics is chaos theory.

For weather systems, the moment a bubble of air starts to rise into the cooler layers above, normal physics rule completely, but if we want to determine exactly which puff of air will start the bubble, we turn to chaos theory. However, when discussing weather systems, we don't need to, because an other aspect of chaos theory it that the bubble Will always start, if the conditions are present.

Let us also cut to the chase about gravity's role in this:

The thermal bubble rises because its lower mass gives it buoyancy. Buoyancy is only relevant in a gravity field. However, there are no local gravity anomalies or the like in play. This is not a matter of gravity theories, it is a matter of simple logic:

In a calm mass of air, all parts of the mass are equally attracted to each other.

Even if a center of gravity should somehow exist somewhere, it cannot cause a stream of air, because there is nowhere it could go, except directly towards the gravity center, where there is already air. So all that would happen is that a slight overpressure would exist around such a gravity center.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

In your experiment, where do you believe the low pressure is?

A cow in a elevator moving faster upwards as 10m/s² have no weight. - Measure from the ground it is a complete low pressure cow.

If it only moves half so fast upwards the cow low pressure would only be 50%.

 

[wollery]

A cow in a elevator moving faster upwards as 10m/s² have no weight. - Measure from the ground it is a complete low pressure cow.

Actually, it's weight would be doubled. I think you mean moving down at 10m/s².

 

[MRC_Hans]

This is only desperate speculation, never proven.

Bjarne, stop this. You have no idea about this.

Naturally central gravity always keeps a low pressure together (to a certain degree), - due to that it is easy for the Coriolis to rotate a system (hurricane). Gravity is the basic for that can happen.

That doesn't even make sense.

You are just making up words, Bjarne.

Ignore countdown: 2

Hans