Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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Bjarne, only an idiot would indicate a force in meters per second. This is the sign of a person who still doesn't understand even the most basic things.

The storm yesterday was a force, if you where outside I guess you could wonder how much that storm / force could you push your bike forward every second. Such was what was going on inside Sir Isaac Newton’s head all the time. You know Hans sometimes b follows a. - But I am not sure you will get that point will you ?

Do you call 15 mm in 149,597,870.7 km a great difference? I call it a very small difference.
Hans

Indeed it is not much and this is what it is all about. ( I guess I know you agree you by mistake wrote “mm” it is “cm”) .
You can? Show me that calculation, please
Why don't you show us your data and your attempt at calculations!
When talking about SW,- the space probe that was strongest effected is off course most relevant, and hence NEAR.

So why was NEAR not affeted 100% by the SW ?

Explanation follows
Only short periods are space probes by "gravity assist maneuvers" close to Earth, in these period these will get a SW push from the Earth, depending how close they approach the Earth.
( calculated here ; http://www.science27.com/english/Culcu3.htm)

But this doesn't explain all the speed increment that for example the space probe NEAR was affected by.

Near was also affected by SW of the Sun, and more constantly, but also the Earth is affected by the same SW of the Sun, - This is about 3,00 * 10-8 m/s and causes the orbit of the Earth (the AU) to extend 7 cm yearly.


When both Near and the Earth is affected by the same force, things get a bit more complicated. For example a train driving parallel to you with the same speed appears not to be driving fast or driving at all.

Now look at the image below, when near was approaching the Earth (by swingby) it was (off course) also approaching the Sun, and was thus hence also "suddenly" also affected by stronger SW from the Sun.

This is what NASA have registered.

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The storm yesterday was a force,

You need to learn that repeating your mistakes don't make them right.

if you where outside I guess you could wonder how much that storm / force could you push your bike forward every second.

The storm is not a force, but it can exert a force on something. Bjarne, these things make a difference, you can't just mix up the concepts.

NEAR was on its tour towards infinity increasing its speed with 13 mm/s . Towards perigee only about the half.

Again, you have no idea what your are talking about. First you called a force mm/s, now it is an acceleration.

If we roughly estimate ½ Nears orbit to 1 year or 31,153,000 s. and the speed increment to 13 mm/s, it is easy to conclude this is only 20% of the force that affects the Earth (when 70 mm AU extension is the correct value as Hans just wrote) .
So why not 100% effect?

Gibberish. Now it is force again, in m/s. Bjarne you are just producing word salad.

Explanation follows
Only short periods are space probes by "gravity assist maneuvers" close to Earth, in these period these will get a SW push from the Earth, depending how close they approach the Earth.
( calculated here ; http://www.science27.com/english/Culcu3.htm)

But this doesn't explain all the speed increment that for example the space probe NEAR was affected by.

Near was also affected by SW of the Sun, and more constantly, but also the Earth is affected by the same SW of the Sun, - This is about 3,00 * 10-8 m/s2 and causes the orbit of the Earth (the AU) to extend 7 cm yearly.


When both Near and the Earth is affected by the same force, things get a bit more complicated. For example a train driving parallel to you with the same speed appears not to be driving fast or driving at all.

Now look at the image below, when near was approaching the Earth (by swingby) it was (off course) also approaching the Sun, and was thus hence also "suddenly" also affected by stronger SW from the Sun.

More gibberish.

Hans
 
Cows and humans on the planet speak about a unknown force acting on space probes .

Example this
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/2341070...ace/t/nasa-baffled-force-acting-space-probes/

In the end of the day it have something to do with m/s

You don't have to rub it in, it is already quite clear that you don't understand this.

I tried to explain it to you a few pages back, here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7766798&postcount=4638

Apparently, I was wasting my time.:rolleyes:

Hans
 

Bjarne, again: Are these scientists brainwashed fools, or are they competent researchers who can measure and calculate tiny variations in fast-moving spacecraft?

If they are brainwashed fools who can be shown the right way by an uneducated moped mechanic from Kolding, you can't trust their calculations.

Yet, the same moped mechanic is using their calculations to try to support his silly ideas.

Hans
 
Bjarne, again: Are these scientists brainwashed fools, or are they competent researchers who can measure and calculate tiny variations in fast-moving spacecraft?

Hans

Moderate religion is good for many people, - but fanatic brainwashed religion is not always good, - especially when it prevent improvement of existing believes, freedom or "unauthorized" contribution or opinions.

Furthermore all the holy professors at the holy universities etc. had have their change to solve plenty mysteries surrounding you, what have they achived ? solved some few ? - most of the time the only make things worse. For exsample the fanatic brainwashed holy Higgs to a unit price of 50,000,000,000 USD , - that at the same time was dragging hundred thousand of holy (brianwashed) warriors (arrogant and intolerant "scientists" ) under the cold shower are only one of many nuts example. ( HA HA HA they deserve it)

Outsider are certianly always per difination nothing but idiotic insane ignorant cranks, they must shut up and swallow what the holy authorized scientific society randomly chose to believe in, - or alternative be personally flattened (like done in centuries) - and like you just did several time today.

Look at you own writings, only from today, you don’t go for the ball, but for the man. This is cowardly “science” when it is worse.
You ask for calculation and leaves the impression that you serious want to understand the math behind what we are discussion, - and when you get it, you don't relate to it, but chose personal attack instead.
Your behavior just underlines how intolerant and arrogant science and their holy supporters are.
 
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You ask for calculation and leaves the impression that you serious want to understand the math behind what we are discussion, - and when you get it, you don't rely to it, but chose personal attack instead.

I never get the calculations. You have never, not once, in all these discussions, supplied proper math.

Instead you start talking about cows.

Hans
 
Look at you own writings, only from today, you don’t go for the ball, but for the man.

There isn't any ball, Bjarne. There is not one scrap of sense in the things you claim. Not one. That is the problem.

But of course, it would be more polite to just shake my head and ignore you. I will consider it.

Hans
 
There isn't any ball, Bjarne. There is not one scrap of sense in the things you claim. Not one. That is the problem.
Hans
You should have told that long ago, - to the hundred thousand of holy "scientist" that believed in the higgs religion……. (probably included yourself).

Hmmm now I see there is a problem with that, - that would be difficult,- So I just change my mind.
First you should have convinced yourself, - and then safe the world and at the 50.000.000.000 USD lost in that rubbish religion.
Why did you not do it ? – I wrote it was rubbish long before the gun was fired. Did you not believe me ?

What do you suggest would have been the best for you to do – when now looking back today?
I mean Hans, you seem to be very orthodox omniscient, and even seems to have the ability to know what is right and wrong science, - just read what you just wrote above, - so why do you not have some kind of scientific forecast shop.

Ahhhh that would also be a problem, in many years’ innocent brainwashed people and fools would then accuse you being a idiotic insane ignorant crank, - so this kind of business would not work either.
Hmmm, this is not easy.

So how do you think you can to safe the “scientific” community, with your high (arrogant) developed scientific forecast ability you seems to have, - before the next 50.000.000.000 USD killing wave (of laughter) will hit a poor world of naïve fools?.
 
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Bjarne, no matter how much you want to be the person who has the answer for everything, your very own writings demonstrate that you simply do not have what it takes to even start to understand only basic concepts in science.

You simply do not have what it takes.
Not even by a long shot.
 
You should have told that long ago, - to the hundred thousand of holy "scientist" that believed in the higgs religion……. (probably included yourself).

Hmmm now I see there is a problem with that, - that would be difficult,- So I just change my mind.
First you should have convinced yourself, - and then safe the world and at the 50.000.000.000 USD lost in that rubbish religion.
Why did you not do it ? – I wrote it was rubbish long before the gun was fired. Did you not believe me ?

What do you suggest would have been the best for you to do – when now looking back today?
I mean Hans, you seem to be very orthodox omniscient, and even seems to have the ability to know what is right and wrong science, - just read what you just wrote above, - so why do you not have some kind of scientific forecast shop.

Ahhhh that would also be a problem, in many years’ innocent brainwashed people and fools would then accuse you being a idiotic insane ignorant crank, - so this kind of business would not work either.
Hmmm, this is not easy.

So how do you think you can to safe the “scientific” community, with your high (arrogant) developed scientific forecast ability you seems to have, - before the next 50.000.000.000 USD killing wave (of laughter) will hit a poor world of naïve fools?.

I read this twice. It may make sense, but I'm not wasting time on a third time.

Hans
 
Bjarne, no matter how much you want to be the person who has the answer for everything, your very own writings demonstrate that you simply do not have what it takes to even start to understand only basic concepts in science.

You simply do not have what it takes.
Not even by a long shot.

A deeper understanding of gravity will solve a lot of mysteries. It will leave a much more coherent universe.
It will solve a lot but not solve everything.
I have skipped several possibilities already.
The basic point is how matter and space is connected, this is the main thread.
And this huge challenge of science seems to be a completely forgotten chapter.
I am far from finish with "my mission" stil relative small details can change.
 
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A ... change.

I notice that you have completely changed your original message where you talked about the brain size of mother cow and the believe in 'holy dark energy' etc.

I wonder how many of your messages you change like this.
 
I notice that you have completely changed your original message where you talked about the brain size of mother cow and the believe in 'holy dark energy' etc.

I wonder how many of your messages you change like this.

He does that all the time. I have complained about his behavior. It's also one of the reasons when I reply to his messages, I make sure that it's been over 2hours from the time that he posted it. At one time I had I think 5 different browser tabs to track the changes that he made to one post.
 
SW is not so strong I believed yesterday, still RR must be the main reason for accelerating space probe anomalies.
 
SW is not so strong I believed yesterday, still RR must be the main reason for accelerating space probe anomalies.

Bjarne, one good thing is that you are willing to rethink your ideas. However, you need to go deeper, you need to realize what the basis for your ideas are.

Originally, your space wind (SW) was supposed to be the real gravity, the explanation for dark matter, etc.

Now it is receding beyond the 13th decimal.

Now is the time to show that YOUR brain is not made of concrete and rethink the whole thing: What is the reality about your ideas.

I have gone this far with you, so I'll offer to help you trough this part, but you must be willing to learn, and you must take the first step:

What is space wind made of?


Hans
 
Bjarne, one good thing is that you are willing to rethink your ideas. However, you need to go deeper, you need to realize what the basis for your ideas are.
Originally, your space wind (SW) was supposed to be the real gravity, the explanation for dark matter, etc.
No, never.

BASIC
Original the basic idea was that matter pulls space-density from both in inwards and outwards direction and that this was and is still how to understand how a basic field of gravity works.

It is a mystery why the magnitudes of black holes are proportional to the surrounding mass in central galaxies.
To find out whether there was a simple explanation the silo measurement was executed, but didn’t solve anything.
If there really are huge amount of compact mass inside such holes (which I find have to believe) we don’t know how it got there.
Maybe RR could contribute to solve that.

Before the attempt to understand more about central gravity mysteries, the central basic parts of the theory was and still is, that space is not a big nothing, but rather a big “something”, and that we have not understood what the that “something” is .

It is not enough just to claim that space curves, - because what then curves and how.
Furthermore the existing theories have totally failed to explain the how mass attraction really works.
Which mean that the expression “curved space” obviously couldn’t be a sufficient .

Basically everything is made of space and energy.
Space is a flexible "something".
Matter is “not matter as such” (you should have heard that before) but matter is still that "basic-something" just “compressed to something you call matter.
We know matter and space must be connected, - and what I just wrote seems to be the only possible explanation.
This was and is still the basic main thread.

If this really is so, how would the Universe now look like? – There are several main threads to follw.

SpaceWind (SW).
One of the consequences is now that space is not “just” a “dead” curved something, but rather a elastic flexible something.
Between two bodies elastic space-density is lacking.
Space must be seen like a flexible and elastic “structure” , - so far so good.
But can energy be transmitted between such space matter connections. ?
The first thoughts that strike was YES, this are what pull moons and planet rotation.

Relativstic Resistance RR
Another of the main thread threads are; now when the structure of space is; a elastic structure, wowen into the structure of matter, - matter can impossible move without resistances from its elastic "ocean".
We know resistance against acceleration is true, it must be misunderstood if that resistance not should apply for constant speed / all the time.

I am sure that RR is the last missing piece fully to understand the cause of ice ages.
In that area of science there are also a couple of mysteries too, that this theory obviously is able to solve.
The challenge here is; how to understand absolute motion, even though there according to the holy book (that have failed plenty times) not should exist absolute “speed”.

This leaves two very strictly possibilities, either SW is not necessary or it is an equalizing force.
I need more data to be able to take the final decision.

SW cannot be very much stronger as RR, - -
Look I respect the objective scientific methods,.
In my universe it is all right to speculate but it is first science when it is proven.
It is not everywhere on the planet everything is like that.

I believe SW is true. NASA too seems to confirm that KE can be transmitted between objects; they have given up the ideas that the atmosphere can be to blame, and several other ideas. So what is left except space itself? But the problem is that planets not seesm to be affected by larger speed, and this sets a limit for how strong SW possible can be.
RR is a different story, here lays probaly the key, so that also the planets and moons) can be involved in the same law of nature.

The most promising in this theory is hence to test whether RR is misunderstood;
This can be done by testing whether there is a variation of the distance to the moon by perigee/apogee during each 4½ periods where after these cancel out.
Without the size of the moons orbit get larger or smaller.

Data from the LLR can be compared to calculation.
I have found a Russian programmer maybe he will do the job.
He participates in world championship in programming and is also an astrophysicist.

Before handling over to him I am now checking everything one time more. This is what I am doing now.
Knowing exactly what happens in the orbit of the moon will probaly solve all the questions according to RR, SW directions of RR etc.

Now it is receding beyond the 13th decimal.
No RR in the orbit of the e.g; Earth is 4.93 * 10-9 m/s2, - the Moon
5.77* 10-12 m/s2 but such values can only be calculated not measured.

Now is the time to show that YOUR brain is not made of concrete and rethink the whole thing: What is the reality about your ideas.
The reality is still the same RR is true and SW counteract, but only maximum equally.
SW cannot be much stronger as RR if we shall respect reality in every aspect, - so long I am willing to that there are no concrete in my camp.

I have gone this far with you, so I'll offer to help you trough this part, but you must be willing to learn, and you must take the first step:

What is space wind made of?
The universe is shortly spoken; an elastic soup.
Probably only speed is to blame for that that the elastic thin soup forms small “particles” with higher density, - made of the soup.
And these forms small balls in the soup. But the balls are made of the same thin elastic soup.
Only energy/speed of the balls / particles in and through the soap makes the difference.
The balls absorb soup-density, so soup density is missing around the balls.
Call that “space vacuums”, - “stretching space”, - “deformed space” – “curved-space” or whatever you prefer.
So this is what space wind is made of, - stretching elastic soup.
Can you transmit energy through such “space vacuums” / mass-attraction- connection” ? I geuss so. For me the Universe is not only chaos.

I have gone this far with you, so I'll offer to help you trough this part, but you must be willing to learn, and you must take the first step:
First you must understand where the theory is today. I am far from sure you have understood that.

BIGBANG
According to the discussion whether BigBang and the Expanding Universe is like we believe these to be, I can shortly say, that since this theory states that space already possess a stretching property, there are no reason to invent a such twice.
Whereby the so-called Expanding Universe must be force into the framework; where "expending / stretching space already exist, whereby so-called dark energy automatically become a already existing property of general relativity.
Following the dark energy trace back to where it comes from, shows that the opposite to dark energy must have existed 13,7 billion years ago, and that opposite something can only have been extreme gravity.
I think we one day will discover a galaxy at the edge of the universe that emit large amount of gamma rays burst, after a while, maybe 1000 yeras , maybe 10,000 years it will be gradually less transparence and the burst gets dimmer and more and more impossible to discover.
It could happen tomorrow or after 2 million years, already there are plenty of such that appeared in the horizon too long ago, - more will follow, and one day the chock will come.

This will be the day when the BigBang speculation falls. - I mean without higgs ( the god particle) it is already death. Just a little push more an the biggest joke in the universe will fall into nothing that it always was.
 
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Talk about pushing a button. :rolleyes:

BASIC
Original the basic idea was that matter pulls space-density from both in inwards and outwards direction and that this was and is still how to understand how a basic field of gravity works.

How is this fundamentally different from conventional gravity? You are just making up a new unknown: Instead of not knowing what the field is, we have equally unknown space density.

It is a mystery why the magnitudes of black holes are proportional to the surrounding mass in central galaxies.

Why is that a mystery? The bigger the galaxy, the more matter available for the black hole.

To find out whether there was a simple explanation the silo measurement was executed, but didn’t solve anything.

Of course not. It was a uniquely poorly designed experiment.

If there really are huge amount of compact mass inside such holes (which I find have to believe) we don’t know how it got there.

It basically fell in there.

Maybe RR could contribute to solve that.

No. You can't even explain what RR is, and why it should be there.

It is not enough just to claim that space curves, - because what then curves and how.

The 'curved space' is just a simplified explanation, for laymen.

Furthermore the existing theories have totally failed to explain the how mass attraction really works.

And so has yours.

Basically everything is made of space and energy.
Space is a flexible "something".
Matter is “not matter as such” (you should have heard that before) but matter is still that "basic-something" just “compressed to something you call matter.

Gibberish. What something is space? How do we detect it?

We know matter and space must be connected,

How do we know that?

- and what I just wrote seems to be the only possible explanation.

Your explanation makes no sense.

If this really is so, how would the Universe now look like?

Presumably, it will look exactly like it does.

SpaceWind (SW).
One of the consequences is now that space is not “just” a “dead” curved something, but rather a elastic flexible something.
Between two bodies elastic space-density is lacking.
Space must be seen like a flexible and elastic “structure” , - so far so good.

No not good. How does space interact with matter passing through it?

But can energy be transmitted between such space matter connections. ?
The first thoughts that strike was YES, this are what pull moons and planet rotation.

This, however, is wrong.

Relativstic Resistance RR
Another of the main thread threads are; now when the structure of space is; a elastic structure, wowen into the structure of matter, - matter can impossible move without resistances from its elastic "ocean".

Exactly! Your model implies that there is friction when moving trough space.

We know resistance against acceleration is true, it must be misunderstood if that resistance not should apply for constant speed / all the time.

I'm really surprised that you insist on clinging to this nonsense. I have, repeatedly, explained to you why this is so, and it is not even complicated at all. I can only guess that you don't want to understand.

I am sure that RR is the last missing piece fully to understand the cause of ice ages.

Total non-sequiteur. And how do you expect to understand ice ages, when you have shown you cannot even understand simple weather systems like low pressures?

The challenge here is; how to understand absolute motion, even though there according to the holy book (that have failed plenty times) not should exist absolute “speed”.

It has been proved experimentally that there is no absolute speed. Again, this has been explained to you. Why do you keep ignoring this?

Look I respect the objective scientific methods,.

In my universe it is all right to speculate but it is first science when it is proven.

No, you DON'T respect scientific methods. When they contradict your ideas, you ignore them.

I believe SW is true. NASA too seems to confirm that KE can be transmitted between objects; they have given up the ideas that the atmosphere can be to blame, and several other ideas. So what is left except space itself?

You have no idea, and you are not qualified to find out.

The most promising in this theory is hence to test whether RR is misunderstood;
This can be done by testing whether there is a variation of the distance to the moon by perigee/apogee during each 4½ periods where after these cancel out.

There isn't. Far smaller irregularities to the moon's orbit have been detected. If the thing you are talking about existed, it would be known.

Before handling over to him I am now checking everything one time more. This is what I am doing now.
Knowing exactly what happens in the orbit of the moon will probaly solve all the questions according to RR, SW directions of RR etc.

This is another mistake you make: Whenever that is something that is not readily explained, you attribute it to your own model, but it could be anything.

No RR in the orbit of the e.g; Earth is 4.93 * 10-9 m/s2, - the Moon
5.77* 10-12 m/s2 but such values can only be calculated not measured.

Why can't they be measured?


The rest is total gibberish. :dio:

I'm sorry, Bjarne. I saw a glimmer of hope, but you are obviously still at square one. :nope:

I'll try not to insult you, but ..... what you write is silly nonsense, supported by misunderstandings and deliberate ignorance. There are no other words for it.

As long as you cannot (or will not) understand something as simple as inertia, how can you expect we take you even a little bit seriously?

Hans
 
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