Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

Why is that a mystery? The bigger the galaxy, the more matter available for the black hole.

I have before shown you why, It is common knowledge. It make no sense to discuss with you so long you even not accept basic knowledge.
Now take a look at that Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXSRh3sJg8

It basically fell in there.

No this is not how the prevailing understanding is .
See the same video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXSRh3sJg8

Better stop here Hans, you denies everything also common knowledge just because you think I am the author.

Better discussion with cows, this makes more sense.

 

[Paul]

No this is not how the prevailing understanding is .
See the same video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXSRh3sJg8

Actually, one of the experts in that video uses the word fall or fell to describe matter entering a black hole.

Are you incapable of understanding simple sentences or are you so desperate you are lying to support your fantasies?

Better stop here Hans, you denies everything also common knowledge

Again, it's not common knowledge, even the bits you aren't misrepresenting.
Most people have never heard of a supermassive black hole, and many of those who have think it's just a Muse song.

 

[Bjarne]

Actually, one of the experts in that video uses the word fall or fell to describe matter entering a black hole.

Matter fall into black hole, nobody denies that, but this is not the cause of black holes. We don't know why the magnitudes of black holes are proportional to the amount of surrounding mass. This is what you also can hear when watching the video serie

 

[Reality Check]

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Relativstic Resistance RR
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Your basic mistakes:

• Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
  First asked 23 October 2009
• Why is your multiplier 1 m/s^2? Why is X not 2 m/s^2? Why not 300,000 m/s^2? Why not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 m/s^2?

RR does not exist:

• Why particle accelerators disprove Bjarne's impossible "kinetic resistance"
  11th December 2009
• The Pioneer anomaly proves that Bjarne's "kinetic resistance" does not exist!
• Spiral galaxies prove that Bjarne's "kinetic resistance" does not exist!
• RR is useless:
  Bjarne: Show your calculations that RR is the cause of Sedna's orbit

P.S.
Bjarne: Cite your 'loads of contradictions' for the Big Bang
First asked 21st October 2011 (42 days and counting!)

 

[Reality Check]

Matter fall into black hole, nobody denies that, but this is not the cause of black holes. We don't know why the magnitudes of black holes are proportional to the amount of surrounding mass. This is what you also can hear when watching the video serie

You are showing your ignorance once again.
We know the cause of black holes. It is a large density of mass.
The known laws of physics tells us that any star that more massive than the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit (3-4 solar masses) will form a black hole.
Observations have turned up many candidates for stellar back holes.

There are also the super-massive balck holes that have been detected in the center of every galaxy that we have looked at. The cause of these is also the matter that has fallen into them.
The question is where did the matter come from?
Some answers are:

There are many models for the formation of black holes of this size. The most obvious is by slow accretion of matter starting from a black hole of stellar size. Another model[6] of supermassive black hole formation involves a large gas cloud collapsing into a relativistic star of perhaps a hundred thousand solar masses or larger. The star would then become unstable to radial perturbations because of electron-positron pair production in its core, and may collapse directly into a black hole without a supernova explosion, which would eject most of its mass and prevent it from leaving a supermassive black hole as a remnant. Yet another model[7] involves a dense stellar cluster undergoing core-collapse as the negative heat capacity of the system drives the velocity dispersion in the core to relativistic speeds. Finally, primordial black holes may have been produced directly from external pressure in the first instants after the Big Bang.

So we do know why the "magnitudes of black holes are proportional to the amount of surrounding mass" - there is more mass to fall into them !

Supermassive Black Holes in Galactic Nuclei - J. Kormendy & K. Gebhardt (2001)

 

[Paul]

Matter fall into black hole, nobody denies that,

The problem is that you did just that:

B we don’t know how it got there.
H It basically fell in there.
B No this is not how the prevailing understanding is .
P Actually, one of the experts in that video...
B Matter fall into black hole, nobody denies that...

Is the problem simply that you can't follow a basic argument or is it that you aren't even making an attempt at honest discussion?

 

[Little 10 Toes]

The problem is that you did just that:

B we don’t know how it got there.
H It basically fell in there.
B No this is not how the prevailing understanding is .
P Actually, one of the experts in that video...
B Matter fall into black hole, nobody denies that...

Is the problem simply that you can't follow a basic argument or is it that you aren't even making an attempt at honest discussion?

And just in case someone doesn't believe it :

If there really are huge amount of compact mass inside such holes (which I find have to believe) we don’t know how it got there.

It basically fell in there.

No this is not how the prevailing understanding is .

Actually, one of the experts in that video uses the word fall or fell to describe matter entering a black hole.

Matter fall into black hole, nobody denies that, but this is not the cause of black holes.

To sum up Bjarne's position, we don't know how mass got into black holes, we think that mass doesn't fall in there, but nobody denies that matter fall (sic) into black hole (sic).

 

[MRC_Hans]

I have before shown you why, It is common knowledge. It make no sense to discuss with you so long you even not accept basic knowledge.
Now take a look at that Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXSRh3sJg8


No this is not how the prevailing understanding is .
See the same video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXSRh3sJg8

Better stop here Hans, you denies everything also common knowledge just because you think I am the author.

Better discussion with cows, this makes more sense.

You are a strange guy, Bjarne. First you demand simple explanations. So you get a simplified explanation. Then you complain that details are missing.

Let's try a different tack:

Stop asking questions. Stop listing things you see as mysteries.

Start providing answers. Start explaining how YOUR ideas are better than current science. - Really explaining, not just making unsupported claims.

Don't you realize that you keep contradicting yourself? You are claiming that science is a brainwashed religion, unwilling to find the truth, and yet you keep linking to scientists explaining about the things they don't quite know and want to explore.

You claim that your idea solves dark matter, dark energy, the big bang, ice ages, hurricanes, and warts, yet you are looking for the signs of it in 13th decimal space probe anomalies, and perturbations in the moon's orbit that you need a scientist to look for.

You claim you are the only one here who has an open mind, yet you cling to your old misunderstanding that inertia is resistance against motion, and no explanation can make you understand it.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

You are showing your ignorance once again.
We know the cause of black holes. It is a large density of mass.

You cannot know because you have not been there, even mother cow have not been in a black hole, at least not in this life, maybe in a previous life, but you see now we are on the track to religion right ? So don’t you think we better stop here.
So left is only to say muhhh muhhh you don't know.. Haleluja.

So we do know why the "magnitudes of black holes are proportional to the amount of surrounding mass" - there is more mass to fall into them !

The more you repeat it the more it demonstrate how derailed you are.

A black hole's mass is proportional to the mass of the host galaxy, so that, for example, a galaxy twice as massive as another would have a black hole that is also twice as massive. This discovery suggests that the growth of the black hole is linked to the formation of the galaxy in which it is located.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1997/01/text/

And if you would use 7 second to read the article you would see that NASA's headquarter is at the contact details.

And further reading would show you;
It remains a challenging puzzle as to why black holes are so abundant, or why they should be proportional to a galaxy's mass. One idea, supported by previous Hubble observations, is that galaxies formed out of smaller "building blocks" consisting of star clusters. A massive "seed" black hole may have been present in each of these protogalaxies. etc....

A very interesting article…

It is also a mystery WHY stars keep falling into the black hole, these should NOT – do you also deny that?
http://www.dr.dk/Videnskab/Videnskab/2006/06/27105328.htm
Magnetic drag is suspected …
BUT WE DON’T KNOW.

So size of a galaxy SHOULD NOT MATTER, and can’t explain the proportionality.
THIS is why serious scientist are back in time to when galaxies was formed.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You cannot know because you have not been there, even mother cow have not been in a black hole, at least not in this life, maybe in a previous life, but you see now we are on the track to religion right ? So don’t you think we better stop here.
So left is only to say muhhh muhhh you don't know.. Haleluja.


The more you repeat it the more it demonstrate how derailed you are.

A black hole's mass is proportional to the mass of the host galaxy, so that, for example, a galaxy twice as massive as another would have a black hole that is also twice as massive. This discovery suggests that the growth of the black hole is linked to the formation of the galaxy in which it is located.
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1997/01/text/

And if you would use 7 second to read the article you would see that NASA's headquarter is at the contact details.

And further reading would show you;
It remains a challenging puzzle as to why black holes are so abundant, or why they should be proportional to a galaxy's mass. One idea, supported by previous Hubble observations, is that galaxies formed out of smaller "building blocks" consisting of star clusters. A massive "seed" black hole may have been present in each of these protogalaxies. etc....

A very interesting article…

It is also a mystery WHY stars keep falling into the black hole, these should NOT – do you also deny that?
http://www.dr.dk/Videnskab/Videnskab/2006/06/27105328.htm
Magnetic drag is suspected …
BUT WE DON’T KNOW.

So size of a galaxy SHOULD NOT MATTER, and can’t explain the proportionality.
THIS is why serious scientist are back in time to when galaxies was formed.

Sure, Bjarne, there are things we don't know. You don't quite understand what the mysteries are, but that is not surprising. But we don't understand everything, and probably never will.

So what?

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

You are a strange guy, Bjarne. First you demand simple explanations. So you get a simplified explanation. Then you complain that details are missing.

There are plenty simple explanations, many also too simple.
There are so much we don’t know, the only path out of the bush is according to mother cow,; simple and coherent thinking.

Start providing answers. Start explaining how YOUR ideas are better than current science.

I have tried, and the reply is most of the time; That we know everything about gravity, RR magnetic Field, Space Probes anomalies, there are no mysteries.

So first I must get you to understand that we know almost NOTHING, - for example we don’t know what was before BB, - not was causing BB what dark energy, or what dark matter is.
Already now every stupid cow agree that we don’t know anything about 99,999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the Universe.
You know dark matter and dark energy = 97%

Add to that that there is also a lot we don’t know about the rest of the 0,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the Universe we only know a little about.

Yes, Yes that little we know about that little is much but that little we don’t know about that little is also much.

Don't you realize that you keep contradicting yourself? You are claiming that science is a brainwashed religion, unwilling to find the truth, and yet you keep linking to scientists explaining about the things they don't quite know and want to explore.

Off course there are a lot of humans and knowledge on this planet with both feeds on the grown, many are honest to admit when there is something we don’t know. Those I am not attacking.

Try to read what you & co (not cow) agreed above
THAT we KNOW why black holes are proportional to size of galaxies.
Or just one example from the past; you KNOW dark matter really is some kind of matter.
Such statements are LIES not science.

I hate; orthodox, concrete, holy, intolerant, fanatic, cowardly, omniscient “science” in these cases when we really DON’T KNOW, and on a basic of pure believes , - we think we have the right to mass brainwash, and thereby spoil / young student to believe that pure religion is the same as sciences. Higgs is only one of many brainwashed exsamples.

And also of course the right to reject logical suggestion that not are stamped by a holy University,

Shortly spoken; I hate when science becomes holy fanatic religious sects, and on such basic arrogant see them self as perfect and all other like insane idiotic cranks that don’t understand anything and certainly and without any doubt are stupid because they never have spend time at any arrogant holy omniscient University.

Why do you think J. Robert Oppenheimer wrote this;
There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry. There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.

Like you just could read, there are also “normal” open-minded people here on the planet, and between the lines you should be able to read that there also are a hell lot of arrogant brainwashed.

You claim that your idea solves dark matter, dark energy, the big bang, ice ages, hurricanes, and warts, yet you are looking for the signs of it in 13th decimal space probe anomalies, and perturbations in the moon's orbit that you need a scientist to look for.

Dark Matter; Yes
Dark Energy; Yes.
Hurricanes; No – The only thing I certainly can say is that there is something strange going on in the central area of a mass. What it is I don’t know, and I am sure you also don’t know.
A suggestion to the cause of black holes (the most extreme central gravity mysteries) and maybe only in these case, - is that at a certain point it is not possible to stretch space more, and this is when something unexpected happens. Just words, and something that everyone can participate to solve, - and not just few holy brainwashed professors.
Try to ask yourself; how could Einstein predict Black Holes, He did not predict these was full of matter, did he ?

13th decimal – I don’t know where you got that ?

You claim you are the only one here who has an open mind,

Ohh no, where did you read that, except in your own fantasy ?
At NASA as I just wrote there are also (sometimes) normal scientist that admits we don’t know why black holes have proportionality with mass of a galaxy.
To be honest, - is the opposite as concrete brain, - but Hans I am not sure you got the point.
I also like the open-minded statement of Oppenheimer and thousand other.
Not all scientist are fanatic intolerant arrogant omniscient naïve fools, but many are.

yet you cling to your old misunderstanding that inertia is resistance against motion, and no explanation can make you understand it.

Ooohh Hans
Matter and space is connected, every muhh-cow on the planet know this, also these with concrete brain. You don't know what is gong on in that "connection", so now PLEASE stop all your omniscient concrete rubbish .

 

[Bjarne]

Sure, Bjarne, there are things we don't know. You don't quite understand what the mysteries are, but that is not surprising. But we don't understand everything, and probably never will.

So what?

Hans

So don't flatten those who tries, as insane idiotic ignorant stupid cranks, - so long you don’t know if this or that is truth, and so long you have no guarantee whether holy mass brainwashed suggestions are better as logical simple coherent down to earth suggestions approved and stamped by mother cow.

 

[MRC_Hans]

So first I must get you to understand that we know almost NOTHING,

And this is where you are wrong. You may know almost nothing, but the rest of us know quite a lot. We know far from everything, but we know a lot.

Off course there are a lot of humans and knowledge on this planet with both feeds on the grown, many are honest to admit when there is something we don’t know. Those I am not attacking.

feet on the ground. Do make an effort to improve your English.

Yes, you ARE attacking them. By claiming that you can imagine the truth all by yourself, you are not only attacking every serious scientist on the planet, but you are insulting them all, far worse than we have been insulting you.

You ignore even simple things and common knowledge, and claim your own impossible and inconsistent model is the truth, even though you cannot even calculate the results.

Higgs is only one of many brainwashed exsamples.

Again, here you go and call serious scientist brainwashed. You don't even know what the Higgs particle is about, or why the theory exists, instead you just blare on about your cows.

Shortly spoken; I hate when science becomes holy fanatic religious sects,

Bjarne, you have not the foggiest idea of what science is and is not. You have never made a shred of serious science in your life.

Why do you think J. Robert Oppenheimer wrote this;
There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry. There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.

Because it is true. And there ARE no barriers except that you must be able to support your claims.

13th decimal – I don’t know where you got that ?

Do you have a very short memory, or are you only reading your own posts, here? The probe anomalies you are talking about, as indicators of your holy Space Wind are 13th decimal differences.

Ooohh Hans
Matter and space is connected, every muhh-cow on the planet know this, also these with concrete brain. You don't know what is gong on in that "connection", so now PLEASE stop all your omniscient concrete rubbish .

See? This is your way of replying when I point out that you misunderstand inertia. Every time reality comes close to you, you start making noise.

Why? Are you afraid of reality? Does it scare you that I can explain away your resistance against motion (including RR) in such simple terms that a 9 year old can understand it?

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

So don't flatten those who tries, as insane idiotic ignorant stupid cranks, - so long you don’t know if this or that is truth, and so long you have no guarantee whether holy mass brainwashed suggestions are better as logical simple coherent down to earth suggestions approved and stamped by mother cow.

The fact that we don't know everything does not mean that anything is possible.

The reason I flatten you is that your ideas don't make sense. You can't explain them and they are observationally wrong. I like to listen to new ideas, but they must make sense. Your ideas don't.

Not only that, but you refuse to learn. Every time somebody tries seriously to educate you, you yell "blablalbla" at them. That is SO utterly disgusting and insulting, that for that alone, you deserve every nasty remark ever directed at you here.

I had to explain how torque became energy to you, yet you think you can teach me a new and improved cosmology. You don't even understand the things you try to reject.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

And this is where you are wrong. You may know almost nothing, but the rest of us know quite a lot. We know far from everything, but we know a lot.

Here we have it again
Dark Matter and dark Energy = 97% of the Universe
BigBang, what was before how could it held together why did it explode, - how did the energy get into the point of nothing, - we also know NOTHING
Let us say this knowledge is 2%

Higgs have failed, and now add at least 100 other mysteries , such as black holes mysteries, ice ages mysteries , how gravity and matter connect etc. - what is a magnetic field made of (except the stupid suggestion = nothing) - so the right answer is that more than 99,999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % of the Universe we have no knowledge about.

Yes, you ARE attacking them.

I am only attacking the brainwashed speculation sold as certain knowledge.

By claiming that you can imagine the truth all by yourself, you are not only attacking every serious scientist on the planet, but you are insulting them all, far worse than we have been insulting you.

Ahhh come on Hans..
I am the minority
Hans when I in the eyes of the arrogant majority (that I am attacking) only is a sick insane ignorant idiotic crank with very strange idiotic ideas, - how can that insult anybody?
I mean first when I am proving that I am right and hence the reason to that 1 billion brainwashed arrogant omniscient naïve scientist and their supporters are dragged under the cold shower, first then I am humiliating and “insulting” somebody, right ?
But I am off course not and never humiliating those that all the time was open-minded, for example decent people like Oppenheimer.

The higgs failed, the standard model cracked - is that my fail?

If a engineer build a bright and it fails he is now a day a fool right , do you think somebody will pay a such fool ?
Now when a world of “scientist” and politician believe in fantasy particle that never existed elsewhere as in their fantasy, do we (that not believe so) then not have the right to call them incompetent dreamers?
And if the whole systems (universities etc) was supporting such fantasy “education” and almost everybody believe this was the BIG TRUTH – can you really not see we SHOULD have a lesson to learn from here ?
Shall such incompetent dreamers not at least 30 minutes under the cold shower, for example her at the internet, - or how shall we ( the not brainwashed) punish such fantasy science ?
Many was "warning"; higgs is fantasy, - But these people was just idiotic cranks that not understood anything at all.

Do you really believe such dreamers deservers there 100,000 USD salaries? - Without critic?
Well done here is the next 50,000,000,000 USD check from our naïve brainwashed government , just keep the fantasy factories going, I mean there is people on this planet dying of hunger isn’t it ?
What can fantasy brainwashed higgs do for them ?
I don’t need to insult such incompetent fantasy or their supporters they can very easy handle this them self.

You ignore even simple things and common knowledge,

I am not rejecting or ignoring common certain knowledge, but only holy brainwashed religion sold as was it certain science.

Again, here you go and call serious scientist brainwashed.

I believe that 90 % of all “scientist” believed in the higgs 1 year ago.
How many do you think it is today ?
Shall we call such “science” ? - or fantasy?
Yes brainwash is not a nice word, but honestly Hans honestly this is what happens even at the Universities.

People was absolutely sure that THIS was science, they was so SURE that the convinced government worldwide and got 50,000,000,000 USD

Notice a world was more or less SURE this particle existed.
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE, ?
How can I get a WHOLE WORLD to believe that oxygen is blue without to use mass hypnoses and brainwash?
It would be statistic impossible.
I cannot find a nicer world for this. Sorry it is not possible.

What about Bigbang - Is that certain knowledge or fantasy - it should be a easy question Hans, But i believe you will answer it is certain knowledge, even though there are a lot problem with that fantasy.
I don’t agree, many people don’t agree, such minorities are often arrogant humiliated and flattened as insane cranks that don’t know what they are talking about.
Also this BigBang fortress will fall, and all the arrogant “scientists” & supporters must when the fantasy fall, off course taste their own medicine.
Why? - because one day science must again become science, - the only way is to pull so many arrogant incompetent arrogant scientist to the cold shower so soon and so often as possible.

You don't even know what the Higgs particle is about, or why the theory exists, instead you just blare on about your cows.

I know, it is about fanatic mass brainwashed and mass hypnotized fantasy, and this is what I write above already 1 year ago, in this thread.

 

[Bjarne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy37GPS2CFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmI0Xo3VXKc

 

[Paul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy37GPS2CFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmI0Xo3VXKc

Again I find myself asking if you have a point.

One personal opinion piece by someone who completely disagrees with you, whether you know it or not, and some anti scientific nonsense by people who can't even subtitle their own interviews properly when they are in English. Is there any connection?

 

[Bjarne]

Again I find myself asking if you have a point.

One personal opinion piece by someone who completely disagrees with you, whether you know it or not, and some anti scientific nonsense by people who can't even subtitle their own interviews properly when they are in English. Is there any connection?

I was not sure if I should link the religious version or the funny one

But here is a very serious version, evidence for single tracked systematic mass brainwash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yTfRy0LTD0

 

[Paul]

I was not sure if I should link the religious version or the funny one

Neither, however you could try answering questions and having an opinion that doesn't come from youtube.

But here is a very serious version, evidence for mass brainwash

It is neither serious - taking itself seriously does not make it serious - nor evidence of brainwashing of the kind you imagine.

It could be called evidence of stupidity, arrogance and a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.

 

[Bjarne]

It is neither serious - taking itself seriously does not make it serious - nor evidence of brainwashing of the kind you imagine.

You haven’t watched the Video have you, - how many astronomers are flattened, ignored, and threatened not to tell the truth, what they saw in the sky, - have you ?

This only proves how intolerant fanatic and desperate that religion is.

Just close your eyes and single tracked mass brainwash doesn’t exist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yTfRy0LTD0