Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[Bjarne]

That is totally stupid - the strong force has a range of less than an atom.
Gravity extends (as far as we know) forever. It certainly extends from the Earth to the Moon for example.
Try to guess how far the Moon is away from the Earth, Bjarne !
That is totally stupid - the strong force has a range of less than an atom.
Gravity extends (as far as we know) forever. It certainly extends from the Earth to the Moon for example.
Try to guess how far the Moon is away from the Earth, Bjarne

Put it this way, put 1 liter gasoline on the Opel kadett, now there are to results;
1.) a strong result , the car can pull a cow.
2.) a weak result = heat emission. The heat emission cannot pull a cow.

The running engine is producing to opposite results.
It is totally stupid –nuts, mad, foolish , silly idiotic , not educated nonsense, to believe that heat emission from your car can pull a cow.
Do you really believe this?
Who have told you that heat emission from your car can pull a cow ?
Guess how far the Spanish mother cow is from your car.

In the same way with gravity and the nuclear interaction.
Betwen the particles there are a strong attraction, this is the strong force.
The strong force pulls space together and a space vacuum is result.

As a side effect the space vacuum (that not is a particle) have the ability to attract matter, but it is a different result of the same process.
But it have nothing with Spanish mother cow to do.

I don’t understand why you think gravity and the strong force is the same as the force of a cow and a car .(!) ?
But I am sure it is totally impossible even for a sick cow to mis-understand this;
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3291
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966168&postcount=3292
So tell me now what have the force of a cow to do with the force of your Opel Kadett
I can really not understand this.
This is really stupid.

Tell me now honestly is it really true you have spend 17 years at a University ?

 

[Paul]

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion supported by nothing.

Ditto

Now people, (especially the young generation) can chose between a picture of the Universe, - 100% coherent, - simple, - and 100 % consistent (with certain knowledge)

As long as they don't want to be burdened by reality.

Alternative is yours “picture” of the Universe

The one that uses science.

And even after that great load of fantasy is added, - still a 100% incoherent Universe, - not simple

I apologise on behalf of the universe that it is not simple or easy to understand.

The jealousy between humans is in general about 875 times stronger as the sexual drive...

I think you've had too much sun.

 

[Paul]

Put it this way, put 1 liter gasoline on the Opel kadett, now there are to results;

You get one result, no more Opal.

1.) a strong result , the car can pull a cow.
2.) a weak result = heat emission. The heat emission cannot pull a cow.

Actually it can.

The running engine is producing to opposite results

No it isn't. Heat is not the opposite of mechanical motion.

Anyway, your car uses a heat engine. The expanding hot gases from combustion are used to move the pistons.

It is totally stupid –nuts, mad, foolish , silly idiotic , not educated nonsense, to believe that heat emission from your car can pull a cow.

Can we add engines to the vast list of things Bjarne knows nothing about?

Do you really believe this?

Belief doesn't enter into it.

Who have told you that heat emission from your car can pull a cow?

Physics.

Guess how far the Spanish mother cow is from your car.

Is she on the passenger seat between two slices of bread?

In the same way with gravity and the nuclear interaction.

Obviously it isn't

Betwen the particles there are a strong attraction, this is the strong force.

It's interaction, not attraction.

The strong force pulls space together and a space vacuum is result.

No.

As a side effect the space vacuum (that not is a particle) have the ability to attract matter, but it is a different result of the same process.

No, no and no.

But it have nothing with Spanish mother cow to do.

Ooh, you got something right.

I don’t understand why you think gravity and the strong force is the same as the force of a cow and a car .(!) ?

Nobody but you thinks there is any connection.

But I am sure it is totally impossible even for a sick cow to mis-understand this;

You seem to be managing it consistently.

So tell me now what have the force of a cow to do with the force of your Opel Kadett

Do you run it on methane?

I can really not understand this.

That is readily apparent.

This is really stupid.

We know.

 

[Reality Check]

Put it this way, put 1 liter gasoline on the Opel kadett, now there are to results;
1.) a strong result , the car can pull a cow.
2.) a weak result = heat emission. The heat emission cannot pull a cow.
...
This is really stupid.

Your are right - your post is really stupid .

Tell me now honestly is it really true you have spend 17 years at a University ?

I tell you honestly that you cannot read. I spent 7 years at university gaining a MSc in theoretical solid state physics. My thesis is not online but the paper from it is: Effect of localized spin fluctuations on transport properties in the one-band Wolff model

Fischer's calculations of the electrical resistivity, thermal resistivity, and thermopower of dilute alloys with nearly magnetic impurities are extended, using the one-band Wolff model, to the case where magnetic impurity scattering is large. A close similarity is seen to resistivities calculated in the two-band Wolff model, and a comparison is given with experimental data on RhFe and IrFe alloys.

 

[Bjarne]

I tell you honestly that you cannot read. I spent 7 years at university gaining a MSc in theoretical solid state physics. My thesis is not online but the paper from it is: Effect of localized spin fluctuations on transport properties in the one-band Wolff model

After 17 years at a university i thought you could read and understand this
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3291
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3292
But i can understand this is not the case
This is really stupid.

 

[steenkh]

After 17 years at a university i thought you could read and understand this
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3291
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3292
But i can understand this is not the case

Why should any amount of years at a university qualify anybody to understand the incoherent ramblings of an internet kook?

This is really stupid.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Bjarne, I think the models presented by this guy are much better than yours:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202582

- Not more realistic, perhaps, but much better formulated.

Hans

 

[Reality Check]

After 17 years at a university i thought you could read and understand this
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3291
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6966133&postcount=3292
But i can understand this is not the case
This is really stupid.

I undestand them - they are the ravings of an Internet crank with a cow fetish and a deep ignorance of the fundementals of math and science.
They are really stupid.

And you cannot even read or count : 7 years not 17.

 

[Bjarne]

I undestand them - they are the ravings of an Internet crank with a cow fetish and a deep ignorance of the fundementals of math and science.
They are really stupid.

And you cannot even read or count : 7 years not 17.

So you now also understand the heat emission form the Kadet not can pull a cow ?
Who have told you that crank idea?
Do you really believe it?
It have nothing with gravity or the strong force to do, you understand this now right?

 

[Reality Check]

So you now also understand the heat emission form the Kadet not can pull a cow ?
Who have told you that crank idea?
Do you really believe it?
It have nothing with gravity or the strong force to do, you understand this now right?

No - I understand that you were raving about a Kadet and a cow.
I know that the Kadet and cow have nothing to do with gravity or the strong force. They are just a fantasy that you spouted.

The facts are:

• The strong force has no effect outside of an atom.
• Gravity has an infinite range

This is a very very good thing. If the strong force had a long range like gravity then it would pull all of the nucleons into one big nucleus and we would not exist !

 

[Paul]

So you now also understand the heat emission form the Kadet not can pull a cow ?
Who have told you that crank idea?
Do you really believe it?

Did you read any of my post?

It have nothing with gravity or the strong force to do, you understand this now right?

Asked and answered several times.

 

[Bjarne]

The facts are:

• The strong force has no effect outside of an atom.
• Gravity has an infinite range

This is a very very good thing. If the strong force had a long range like gravity then it would pull all of the nucleons into one big nucleus and we would not exist !

Even though I not expecting anything thing else as total empty blab la bla replies, let me ask you anyway;

1. I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves?
2. Do you have any idea or suggestion at all; how matter, - (which process in creation of matter) possible (also) is able to exerts a force on Space ?
3. Do have any idea or suggestion to what a gravitational wave really is; “made of”?
4. Do you believe that it requires force (and energy) to deform / curve space in the same way as gravity does it.
5. Do you believe that a gravity wave must be release of energy? – Release of that energy/force responsible for deforming space?
6. Where do you believe that energy/force comes from?

If you can answer these questions satisfying I shall show you the equation that unite gravity and the strong force.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves?

Gravity is a force.
This force is related to mass.
Mass is primarily related to matter, but as we know, there is also a relation to energy.
Gravity deforms space.

Do you have any idea or suggestion at all; how matter, - (which process in creation of matter) possible (also) is able to exerts a force on Space ?

Gravity distorts space.
It does not excert a force on space; we know this because we observe no counter force.

Do have any idea or suggestion to what a gravitational wave really is; “made of”?

The hypothetical medium for gravity is called the graviton.

Do you believe that it requires force (and energy) to deform / curve space in the same way as gravity does it.

It does not appear to require force to deform space (at least we observe no counter force). It does not require energy.

Do you believe that a gravity wave must be release of energy? – Release of that energy/force that had deformed space?

As far as I can make sense of your question, no.

Where do you believe that energy/force comes from?

You cannot equate energy and force. They are two different things.

If you can answer these questions satisfying I shall show you the equation that unite gravity and the strong force.

If you have such an equation, I suggest you hurry up and publish it, regardless of whether anybody here can answer the questions to your satisfaction.

Hans

 

[Reality Check]

Even though I not expecting anything thing else as total empty blab la bla replies, let me ask you anyway;

That is idiotic, Bjarne.
I have pointed the scientific facts:

• The strong force has no effect outside of an atom.
• Gravity has an infinite range

1. I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves? ...

1. You are wrong. Matter curves spacetime. Objects that do not have an external force acting on them and are moving in a curved spacetime follow a "straight" line (technically a geodesic). To an observer this line is curved. But Newton's laws means that a force is acting on the object. We call that force gravity.

2. Gibberish

3. Gravitational wave

In physics, a gravitational wave is a fluctuation in the curvature of spacetime which propagates as a wave, traveling outward from the source.

4. That what General Relativity says: mass and energy curves space time.

5. Gravitational wave

6. Many sources, e.g. LIGO is looking for "Measurable emissions of gravitational waves are expected from binary systems (collisions and coalescences of neutron stars or black holes), supernova of massive stars (which form neutron stars and black holes), accreting neutron stars, rotations of neutron stars with deformed crusts, and the remnants of gravitational radiation created by the birth of the universe."

If you can answer these questions satisfying I shall show you the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force.

That would be amazing from someone who is ignorant of the basics of math and science.
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

Also see The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads or (original full list to which more points have been linked)

But go ahead show your equation and how it reduces to General Relativity

in the long range limit and includes the quantum chromodynamics Lagrangian (the equation governing the strong force )

(where the G are the gluon fields (not to be confused with the gravitation constant G) at short range.

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne
I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves?
Hans
Gravity is a force.
This force is related to mass.
Mass is primarily related to matter, but as we know, there is also a relation to energy.
Gravity deforms space.

A Cow is a Animal.
This Animal is related to the Universe.
And this exactly explain nothing...except that now the cow can say muuuuh.
Where did that force come from?
What relation to energy?
What energy?

Bjarne
Do you have any idea or suggestion at all; how matter, - (which process in creation of matter) possible (also) is able to exerts a force on Space ?
Gravity distorts space.
It does not excert a force on space; we know this because we observe no counter force.

Rubbish....
We hopefully all agree a counterforce exsist , - and you call this a gravitational wave.
Try again ......
Space does not just curve because it is funny..
Something act on it, what and how?
Do you really have the slightest idea?

The hypothetical medium for gravity is called the graviton

You could call it; bla blab la, - or much better møøøøøøø the understanding and evidence for what you are talking about is almost the same.

Bjarne
Do you believe that it requires force (and energy) to deform / curve space in the same way as gravity does it.
Hans
It does not appear to require force to deform space (at least we observe no counter force). It does not require energy.

So why do you then not just curve space?
We do know that it require force otherwise a gravitational wave would not be travel anywhere when that force is gone dissolved. .

Bjarne
Do you believe that a gravity wave must be release of energy? – Release of that energy/force that had deformed space?
Hans
As far as I can make sense of your question, no.

A Gravity wave must represent energy, since it will require energy to push it back, at least a force, - and where does that force come from in the first place?

You cannot equate energy and force. They are two different things.

A cow knows it require energy to get a force, for example it require energy to press a spring.

Because the fact that you cannot see the energy behind gravity, does not mean it is not there.

At least Albert Einstein Mother Cow Me (and many other would not agree).
We all believe that gravity and the strong force is a unity..

• The strong force has no effect outside of an atom.
• Gravity has an infinite range

Seen from the; “ lost in the bush perspective” - you are absolutely right.
But this is not the answer to any of the questions.

Bjarne
I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves? ...
RC
You are wrong. Matter curves spacetime. Objects that do not have an external force acting on them and are moving in a curved spacetime follow a "straight" line (technically a geodesic). To an observer this line is curved. But Newton's laws means that a force is acting on the object. We call that force gravity.

The question was not what matter or a cow floating in space does.
BUT what + how + why space does as it does .

In physics, a gravitational wave is a fluctuation in the curvature of spacetime which propagates as a wave, traveling outward from the source.

In the real world these are empty words, you could instead have written gravity is a fluctuation in the møøøhhhh and spacetime then muuuuuh.
The true understanding would have been almost the same.

Many sources, e.g. LIGO is looking for "Measurable emissions of gravitational waves are expected from binary systems (collisions and coalescences of neutron stars or black holes), supernova of massive stars (which form neutron stars and black holes), accreting neutron stars, rotations of neutron stars with deformed crusts, and the remnants of gravitational radiation created by the birth of the universe."

And the result is nothing.

But go ahead show your equation and how it reduces to General Relativity

Try a little more serious to answer the questions and I will show you how to unite these two forces.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Bjarne, please learn to multi-quote, or at the minimum, learn to use the quote button.

 

[Reality Check]

At least Albert Einstein Mother Cow Me (and many other would not agree).
We all believe that gravity and the strong force is a unity..

You are lying. Albert Einstein dis not believe that "gravity and the strong force is a unity".
He knew today that gravity and the strong force are two separate forces. Thta is obvious because the strong force does not extend outside of nuclei, does not act on mass and is strong! Gravity has an infinite range, acts on mass and is weak.
He thought that there could be a single theory that would describe all forces including gravity and the strong force. Most scientists think this.
The only time that "gravity and the strong force is a unity" in this theory is in the early universe. They then split apart.

 

[Reality Check]

Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

The question was not what matter or a cow floating in space does.
BUT what + how + why space does as it does .

You are lying or deluded, Bjarne.
The first question was

I believe you are agreeing gravity is a force and also that matter somehow exerts a force on space so that it curves?

that answer is

1. You are wrong. Matter curves spacetime. Objects that do not have an external force acting on them and are moving in a curved spacetime follow a "straight" line (technically a geodesic). To an observer this line is curved. But Newton's laws means that a force is acting on the object. We call that force gravity.

Not your cow fetish.

In the real world these are empty words, you could instead have written gravity is a fluctuation in the møøøhhhh and spacetime then muuuuuh.
The true understanding would have been almost the same.

In the real world that you are totally ignorant of there is a defintion of Gravitational wave. The fact that you think that you are a cow means nothing.

And the result is nothing.

And the result is nothing yet.

Try a little more serious to answer the questions and I will show you how to unite these two forces.

That is stupid, Bjarne. I answered the questions completely.
The problem is that you cannot understand them.
But I really want to see whatever attempt at an equation that you have dreamed up.

That would be amazing from someone who is ignorant of the basics of math and science.
Does Bjarne know basic physics (unit-less quantities cannot be arbitrarily assigned units)
First asked 23 October 2009
So far the answer is no !

Also see The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads or (original full list to which more points have been linked)

 

[Bjarne]

You are lying. Albert Einstein dis not believe that "gravity and the strong force is a unity".
He knew today that gravity and the strong force are two separate forces. That is obvious because the strong force does not extend outside of nuclei, does not act on mass and is strong! Gravity has an infinite range, acts on mass and is weak.

Yes gravity and the strong force are different, and this is still not the point + this have never been that difference Albert Einstein have try to unite mathematical.
Even a completely Brian damage cow wouldn’t try to unite such obviously different results...

He thought that there could be a single theory that would describe all forces including gravity and the strong force. Most scientists think this.

Finally now you head begins to come a little out of the bush.

The only time that "gravity and the strong force is a unity" in this theory is in the early universe. They then split apart.

And this is ONLY theory, or rather a thesis based on guessing.
I don’t believe a second in that.
If you mean the forces was splitting apart exactly in the moment that is sound BAANNGG, yes this is true, at least what concern gravity and the strong force, the electromagnetic force was certainly outplayed long before that due to extreme heat.

Never mind, - the point is try to describe a possible unity whereby the process of creating matter and gravity is; “the same” - a unity, - not two forces but > one force. I do totally agree with the new; out of the bush perspective of yours...

To do this you need first to know how matter is created:

As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. Snipped…
Max Planck

Next
What is the possible cause, - not of motion due to gravity, BUT of the cause of gravity, which means; what is the possible cause of the curvature of space.

To be able to connect that cause, you MUST connect the cause of “curvature of space” – to what Max Planck just told.

If you do not have any idea at all but ONLY try to solve this mathematical you must be extremely lucky to hit reality, simply because your imagination would be completely blind and can’t guide you.. ( I am doubting if it ever had). ..

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.
Albert Einstein.

Einstein’s mistake was not to follow his own advice. he tried so far i can understand only by mathematical eqautions to unite these 2 forces to one.

So here are the advise and the points, - now you try to unite the cause of gravity (curvature of sapce) and the cause of the strong force, to one and the same process / force.

Let me push you gentle, - the cause of the strong force is caused by to the interaction (push/pull teamwork) between particles.

If you prefer the words from a master instead, go ahead>:
All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.

I think you have all you need now to do the unification; all you need is imagination, there is nothing more as I can do as show mathematical how to unite this two forces to one, but you must try to suggest some possible solution first first, - yourself.

 

[Reality Check]

Yes gravity and the strong force are different, and this is still not the point + this have never been that difference Albert Einstein have try to unite mathematical.
Even a completely Brian damage cow wouldn’t try to unite such obviously different results...

Yes gravity and the strong force are different now.
Many people have tried to unite thern mathematically.

And this is ONLY theory, or rather a thesis based on guessing.

Your ignorance is showing again, Bjarne.
The theories that have been proposed for a theory of everything state that the only conditions under which gravity and the strong force are the same existed in the very early universe. This is because it requires energies of around 10¹⁹ GeV.

I don’t believe a second in that.
If you mean the forces was splitting apart exactly in the moment that is sound BAANNGG, yes this is true, at least what concern gravity and the strong force, the electromagnetic force was certainly outplayed long before that due to extreme heat.

The belief of an ignorant person does not mean anything.

TOE theories have gravity splitting from the other forces after the creation of the universe duroing the Big Bang (I hope that you are not so deluded that you think that it is a "sound BAANNGG") .

...gibberish...I think you have all you need now to do the unification; all you need is imagination, there is nothing more as I can do as show mathematical how to unite this two forces to one, but you must try to suggest some possible solution first first, - yourself.

You are the one with the equation so Bjarne, show us "the equation hat unite gravity and the strong force"

There are many possible solutions published in the literature. Pick one. I like the E8 proposal. It is elegant but needs work.