Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

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  1. The interaction with other MF can hide a weaker MF, e.g. if you spin a football , the Earth’s MF will overshadow the very small MF and hence the possibility to measure it.
Ahh, yet another unobservable effect in Bjarne's inventory.:roll:

Bjarne, there is one thing you are good at: Imagining unobservable effects that are still supposed to have a great effect on the iniverse. :p

OK, joking aside, we can measure the field from single electrons, there is no such field as one we can't measure.

Also, you can't both claim that something is not observable AND has an observable effect.

Seriously Bjarne, we might take you just a little bit more seriously if you didn't constantly contradict yourself.


Only blap blap blap as usually.
I am asking for EVIDENCE.

I'm not obliged to provide YOU with evidence. You are the one with something to prove. However, I have offered to design an experiment you can do. Interested? (But I'll only bother if you promise to actually carry it out)

Hans
 
Also, you can't both claim that something is not observable AND has an observable effect.
Hans

We are still speaking; Special relativity (SR).
This means that if you drive 35 km/h the KE and gravity increase of your car is pretty differcult to meassure.

At the exact same time your car in fact do emit a very very very weak MF due to motion.

Off course you cannot measure anything of these changing’s.
But this does not mean SR is completely crap, does it ?

Seriously Bjarne, we might take you just a little bit more seriously if you didn't constantly contradict yourself.
As you can see above the fact that the SR-effect of your Opel Kadet is so weak, does not contradict anything or mean SR is crap, does it ?

Also, you can't both claim that something is not observable AND has an observable effect.
It is observable; ask NASA to accelerate your Kadet to 30.000 km/h I think that will do the tricks. (But carefully if the Kadet by a mistake should reach c , this could cause a BigBang,)
I can claim what I do with the exact same right that you can claim that the rest of SR is true.
 
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Ok, I'm not defending Bjarne's RAM hypothesis, just trying to understand it, so...

I can see two ways he might be thinking here.

First, he has invented the concept of 'aetheric friction', some sort of off-shoot of the luminiferous aether idea. However, this falls down because Michelson & Morley destroyed the idea of the aether.

Or, second, he has some weird misunderstanding of relativity. He has read somewhere (as I think I have - going on memory here, so quite possibly wrong) that there is nowhere in the universe outside the effects of gravity (even though said effect may be too small to measure) and as gravity curves space is assuming that curved space, in changing the direction of motion of an object, works against its inertia and causes it to lose energy and therefore speed. This falls down because he doesn't appear to believe in relativity.

Of course, I could be misunderstanding him - maybe he could either make a choice from these two possibilities, or give a simple explanation of the mechanism he has in mind?
 
[...] and as gravity curves space is assuming that curved space, in changing the direction of motion of an object, works against its inertia and causes it to lose energy and therefore speed.
Currently, his idea is that everything - including uncharged particles generate a magnetic field that costs energy, and therefore speed. He has not yet got around to thinking that could be due to the change of direction due to curved space - probably because he has no idea what inertia is.
 
We are still speaking; Special relativity (SR).
This means that if you drive 35 km/h the KE and gravity increase of your car is pretty differcult to meassure.

At the exact same time your car in fact do emit a very very very weak MF due to motion.

Off course you cannot measure anything of these changing’s.
But this does not mean SR is completely crap, does it ?

Bjarne, does RAM exist or doesn't it? If it existed we should be able to observe it, no matter how small it is. And as there are very few objects in the universe that move at relativistic speeds, it had better work for lower speeds as well, if you are to base your grand ideas on it.

As you can see above the fact that the SR-effect of your Opel Kadet is so weak, does not contradict anything or mean SR is crap, does it ?

Who said special relativity is crap?

I can claim what I do with the exact same right that you can claim that the rest of SR is true.

No, you can't. The fact that YOUR understanding is as vague as your own ideas, doesn't mean that they are equal.

That sort of fallacy even has a name: Argument from ignorance.

Hans
 
At the exact same time your car in fact do emit a very very very weak MF due to motion.

Oh, and just to make this abundantly clear: A car does indeed emit EM, due to the electrical system, but not, I repeat not, due to being in motion.

Hans
 
First, he has invented the concept of 'aetheric friction', some sort of off-shoot of the luminiferous aether idea. However, this falls down because Michelson & Morley destroyed the idea of the aether.
The experiment proves that “speed” of light always is c.
But it doesn’t prove that space is; “nothing”, - without “substance”, simply because “nothing” cannot curve, or expand, - hence space must be “something” – strange.
Furthermore the speed of light is duality, - Seen from the perspective of c, distances and time are not existing.
For us distances and time are off course real. This contradiction does not make that picture; (what is space really is) – clearer. - Simple because seen from the perspective of the photon there are no motion, no time, no distance, and hence no space....

I think you misunderstood that the gravity increases due to speed, could be difficult to measure.
Currently, his idea is that everything - including uncharged particles generate a magnetic field that costs energy, and therefore speed.
Particles in motion is always charged, even thou this is not much by relative low speed.
The facts that we cannot always measure weak effects of SR do not mean the effect is not there.
Bjarne, does RAM exist or doesn't it?
If it existed we should be able to observe it, no matter how small it is.
And as there are very few objects in the universe that move at relativistic speeds, it had better work for lower speeds as well, if you are to base your grand ideas on it.

As I wrote the effect / strength of the emitting MF of a body in motion, is proportional exactly the same as KE and gravity increase or decrease due to speed / acceleration / deceleration.
Just use the Lorenz transformation equation...

No, you can't. The fact that YOUR understanding is as vague as your own ideas, doesn't mean that they are equal.
Hans we are speaking about special relativity, the MF field emitted from your Opel Kadet by 35km/h or even 1000 km/h is “almost zero” because of the relative low speed, and low mass.

You must have either very-fast speed or large mass and fast speed (not very fast) to detect any MF effects.

The Universe is full of these proves. The Ionosphere of the Earth too.
http://adv-model-earth-syst-discuss.org/meetings/fm09/fm09-sessions/fm09_SA14A.html

Add to this the fact that there is no reason only to believe in some kind of RAM due the acceleration period, and not by constant speed.

Tomorrow I will go abroad and will be Offline the next 7 weeks.
 
Add to this the fact that there is no reason only to believe in some kind of RAM due the acceleration period, and not by constant speed.

I just explained this to you. You are being intentionally obtuse. And since I gave you the reason and the explanation, you are lying.

Particles in motion is always charged, even thou this is not much by relative low speed.

No. There is no connection between charge and speed.

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Have a nice trip. In fact, have a nice life ....

Hans
 
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We are still speaking; Special relativity (SR).
This means that if you drive 35 km/h the KE and gravity increase of your car is pretty differcult to meassure.

At the exact same time your car in fact do emit a very very very weak MF due to motion.

Off course you cannot measure anything of these changing’s.
But this does not mean SR is completely crap, does it ?
A coherent and almost correct post from Bjarne for once :D.
(SR does not include gravity)

The effects of special realtivity are indeed really small at low velocities. These effects are hard to measure.
That is why SR has generally been confirmed from measurements at high velocities, e.g. the time dilation of muon lifetimes in cosmic rays.
(Experimental Basis of Special Relativity)

But RAM has been tested experimentally at high velocities and does not exist
Does not conserve energy:
And the real flaw with RAM is Bjarne's crewing up the units of measurement: RAM = y-1 where y is the Lorentz factor.
So we have a number without units and subtract 1 from it to another number without units.
The idiocy of thinking that a number without units has the units of acceleration is obvious to every one except Bjarne.

From
The fatal flaws and basic ignorance in Bjarne's ideas in his threads
(original full list to which more points have been linked)
Bjarne inorance allows him to think that
  1. Physical quantities can be arbitrarily assigned units of measurement, e.g. an equation that returns numbers (no units) can be given units of m/s^2 or coulombs or kilograms just because Bjarne wants it to return acceleration or charge or mass. He ignorantly gives the Lorentz factor - 1 (a number) the units or acceleration.
 
No. There is no connection between charge and speed.
This is exactly so stupid as to claim that there are no connection between speed-increase , mass increase and KE increase

SR does not include gravity
It include mass-increase
Every cow know that mass increase = gravity increase.

So called evidence:
Do you really think that all the scientists that tested SR kinematics (Tests of Relativistic Kinematics) faked their results?
I believe not many are so stupid that they ignore that a emitting MF means lose of KE
At least we can be sure such possible mistake would never happen for cows.
 
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I believe not many are so stupid that they ignore that a emitting MF means lose of KE

I can see we're back to Bjarne stubbornly insisting that the sky is green.

Have a nice trip, Bjarne. Dress up warm, it's cold in Russia.

Hans
 
I can see we're back to Bjarne stubbornly insisting that the sky is green.

Have a nice trip, Bjarne. Dress up warm, it's cold in Russia.

Hans

And pretty warm where I am going

In the mean time which astrologic sign is the direction towards center of the Milky way, when aiming towards the sun in that sign.
 
It include mass-increase
Every cow know that mass increase = gravity increase.
Every cow knows that SR states that observers measure that the objects act as if they increase mass with increasing vleocity.
Every cow knows that this is the inertial mass that appears in F = ma. This means that with greater velocity it takes a greter force to create the same accelration.
Every cow knows that to an observer on the object, the mass does not change and neither does the gravity.

Every cow knows that SR is not a theory of gravity.
 
Inertia is about resistance against change of direction or speed.

Correct.

Hence it comprehend acceleration, - but not constant speed.

How can inertia be both a resistance to change in velocity and RAM? That's a direct contradiction. Inertia can't both resist change in speed and cause a change in speed at the same time.
 
Every cow knows that SR states that observers measure that the objects act as if they increase mass with increasing vleocity.

So what you say is that observers on fast moving objects must hallucinate, they are measuring something that only “acts like” and not is real ? – Is this what you are saying / believe?

Every cow knows that this is the inertial mass that appears in F = ma.
This means that with greater velocity it takes a greter force to create the same acceleration.
Nothing wrong with all these clever cows.
But this is not where the history ends.
First at all it requires more and more energy to get a diminishing increase in speed.
And the mass of the moving object is increasing.
This means that we are no longer dealing with simple Newtonian classic physic.
We are up against something much more strange / complex.

Add to that, - that fast moving objects really are emitting “losing energy” (magnetic field / energy).
Ask also WHAT is a magnetic field?
Ask who pay the enery-lose-bill, if it is not decreasing KE / speed ?
Ask why can the increasing KE be accumulated in matter and how it interact with sapce (motion in space) ?
Ask why does KE / Mass really increase just because something moves.

If there was really no connection between space and matter, there would be no “contact” due to motion, and everything would be so brian damage simple.
But this is not how reality works.
The best way of comparing RAM is actually when you probably in school have tried to dial a dynamo with your hands; - you could feel the magnetic resistance, and you could see you was powering a lamp.
You got a experiences that matter interact with “nothing” – with space.
It’s not the same phenomena we are discussion here, but enough to that you should know that “something” goes on between matter and space, and enough to be more open minded.
You should ask WHY and HOW does matter “accumulate” KE
How is the contact between space and matter, due to motion + KE/Mass increase.
It is too easy just to ignore such important question and then export the whole problem to a not existing mysophobia reality…

Every cow knows that SR is not a theory of gravity.

Every cow also do know that SR was the theory that later was “extended” also to comprehend gravity “SR” ..
SR and GR are in fact connected, simply de to the fact that that SR claims:
Gradually faster speed = increasing mass.
Increasing mass = increasing gravity.
As you can see now we have suddenly moved to GR. This is where the 2 theories in fact only touch each other, - or “unite”.

How can inertia be both a resistance to change in velocity and RAM?
That's a direct contradiction.
Inertia can't both resist change in speed and cause a change in speed at the same time.

Such confusion is the reason to that I don’t like to use this expression; “Inertia” .
All what you have learn about inertia is correct, except that Newton thought that a body would continue (forever) after to have reach constant speed.
Yes speed accumulate as KE exactly like you have learn it.
But as mention above the process of acceleration is in fact not able to be fully understood based on classic physic.
Special relativity brings much more facets into that phenomenon.
Even a brian damage cow would never dream to ignore the question what really happens in the meeting point between space/motion and matter, and how KE and mass change due to that.
We are talking about essential law of nature.
We should take such question much more serious.
But the fact is that as you can see people like RC prefer to export the essence to the 21th bright blue unreal dimension, of course without reason, or evidence.
 
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Apart from the bits where you repeat what you have been told as if it's your idea, that is total and utter nonsense.

Perhaps seven weeks is enough time to educate yourself in very basic physics.
 
Apart from the bits where you repeat what you have been told as if it's your idea, that is total and utter nonsense.

Perhaps seven weeks is enough time to educate yourself in very basic physics.

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.
Albert Einstein. "
 
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.
Albert Einstein. "

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Mark Twain

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.Euripides
There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr.

The mistakes of the fool are known to the world, but not to himself. The mistakes of the wise man are known to himself, but not to the world.
Charles Caleb Colton ​


This is true
Humans are very stupid
But you can find no quotes that states; cows are more stupid than you.
This is one of the main essences of this thread.
 
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