Bjarne on: Dark Energy, only an illusion.

[MRC_Hans]

The reason I keep nudging Bjarne about his container construction is that I seem to remember he showed a drawing once, with some container made of plywood and metal profiles. And if he thinks he can fill hundreds of tons of sand in a construction like that ....

But, even Bjarne could not be that silly?

Hans

 

[Paul]

The reason I keep nudging Bjarne about his container construction is that I seem to remember he showed a drawing once, with some container made of plywood and metal profiles...

Perhaps you're thinking of this beauty...

Find a company that can do boreholes gravity measurements, and it will take only few day completely to smash the prevailing religion.

A container can be made of scaffold and boards, - very simple.

It can be building in a gravel pit

Hence there are no transport of and, and easy and fast to load the sand, after the Free Air Gradient has been determinate.

I expect ADG to be nice and stable 150 µgal per meter towards the center

 

[MRC_Hans]

Perhaps you're thinking of this beauty...

Exactly! If he fills, what was it? Some 300 tons of sand in that, somebody could get killed.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

The container gravity measurement has been executed today

Determination of the FAG up to 6.5 meter was a 100% success.
Very nice result, -very low g-noise...
Waiting for the report.

Problems

1.
The container was build a little too fast and was not exactly round, but a little oval. - This is not a big problem, but is just causing weaker result.

2.
Notice the Steel band at the middle of the container
When the container was 80 % full the steel band break.
All the steel wire was stretching more as expected but none of those was broken. But the container was stretching more as expected.
10 pieces 5 ton steel wire was used.

People were afraid to load more weight and to continue.
I think nothing would happen to do it. Steel band and steel wire have different stretch tension.. That's all.

Anyway the measurement in the "center" and at the top was executed.

To get the prefect result, -I consider filling it 100% and measuring again.....??

But I am not sure how long we can have it on that yard and when and if DTU can measure again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w2R4ehT3FQ

 

[Reality Check]

The container gravity measurement has been executed today

What did you predict for the measurements and how did you work them out using

1. Newton's theory of gravity.
2. Bjarne's completely debunked "central gravity"

What is the "center" and how does it differ from the actual center of the cylinder?

P.S.

Did you pull 400 µgal from your pet cow's bottom?

 

[Bjarne]

What is the "center" and how does it differ from the actual center of the cylinder?

When the container is not full the "center" (325 cm) is no longer the center...
Waiting for the report to see if what is done already is enough..
Hence the COG is lower

 

[Paul]

Determination of the FAG up to 6.5 meter was a 100% success.

You don't really understand what FAG means do you?

Very nice result, -very low g-noise...
Waiting for the report.

Congratulations, you managed to hire competent professionals to do the work for you.

The container was build a little too fast and was not exactly round, but a little oval. - This is not a big problem, but is just causing weaker result.

Well, I can't say that I'm surprised that you began with incompetence. However, I am disappointed that you still don't understand that you can't have poor quality control, a sloppy approach to accuracy, and apparently no proper protocol and at the same time make inflated claims about the importance of your work.

Notice the Steel band at the middle of the container
When the container was 80 % full the steel band break.

What did you expect, you were told that when full there would be 345 tonnes of sand in the container.

All the steel wire was stretching more as expected but none of those was broken. But the container was stretching more as expected.

Again, a total lack of proper research for even the basics.

People were afraid to load more weight and to continue.

They sound like very sensible people.

I think nothing would happen to do it. Steel band and steel wire have different stretch tension.. That's all.

Yes, that's all, it's nothing to do with the totally inadequate construction of a container for 345 tonnes of sand.

That's 345 tonnes for dry, uncompacted sand. Do you see where you might start to run into problems?

Anyway the measurement in the "center" and at the top was executed.
To get the prefect result, -I consider filling it 100% and measuring again.....??

Depends, do you want to be crushed under wet sand?

Anyway, so far you have one measurement at the top and one above the centre due to the revised volume, hardly the basis of an experiment to overturn physics.

 

[Bjarne]

 

[Paul]

White lines= Don't do it!

Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang
Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang
Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang
Diggedy dang di-dang diggedy dang di-dang

 

[Ogre]

Wow, I can't believe I read through a big chunk of all this.

Bjarne, You said you measured at the geometric centre, but how did you do that after filling? It looks like, from the video, the centre structure is an open truss so presumably the instrumentation can't be placed there after filling like was done during your initial (empty) measurements. Or did I miss something?

If you do plan on re-measurement, I sure hope you significantly reinforce that container. I cringed at the beginning of the video when I saw it, thinking of the hundreds of tons of sand it was to hold.

 

[Bjarne]

Wow, I can't believe I read through a big chunk of all this.

Bjarne, You said you measured at the geometric centre, but how did you do that after filling?
It looks like, from the video, the centre structure is an open truss so presumably the instrumentation can't be placed there after filling like was done during your initial (empty) measurements. Or did I miss something?

We were using Ø 600 mm septic pipe and for the end of that a special made steel sheet box (for the instrument) . 900 * 600 * 450 mm – The pipe was leading vertical to the center of the container. We were so busy, and it was dark when finish, - that this was not recorded.

If you do plan on re-measurement, I sure hope you significantly reinforce that container. I cringed at the beginning of the video when I saw it, thinking of the hundreds of tons of sand it was to hold.

Today we will that down the container and built it again. We have got A LOT of (necessary) experience to make the next 100 % perfect. Next time we will also make more video records.
This time everything was done much to fast.
The problem is not that the steel wire used, is too weak, but that these are too elastic. I should have known this. 20 years we pulled done this silo with a wheel loader. The wire was stretching surprising much without breaking.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Bjarne, your English is deteriorating, getting close to incomprehensible. Better shape up.

Don't bother repeating the experiment till you see the report. The difference between your model and real gravity will be evident even with the result you have now, and if that doesn't convince you, nothing will. Stop playing around before somebody gets killed.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Bjarne, your English is deteriorating, getting close to incomprehensible. Better shape up.

Don't bother repeating the experiment till you see the report. The difference between your model and real gravity will be evident even with the result you have now, and if that doesn't convince you, nothing will.
Hans

The Domus Vista experiment was showing stable ADG towards the center, instead of the opposite.
Not less as relative 160 µgal between the lower floors.
It doesn’t seem to impress anyone.

Let us say we get the same "strange" relative difference, (or only 100 µgal) between the top and the center of the container .
What make you believe that should impress you or someone else ?
I believe the result must be about 400 µgal to be convincing

Stop playing around before somebody gets killed.

The container is down now. I was sitting in the shovel of a wheel loader and released all the wires, and suddenly splash, like a game of Mikado. - This is not so dangerous, but also not for sissies.

 

[MRC_Hans]

The Domus Vista experiment was showing stable ADG towards the center, instead of the opposite.
Not less as relative 160 µgal between the lower floors.
It doesn’t seem to impress anyone.

Because you are lying. It shows a steady slope. But you make your curves using the differential values, which will of course be fairly steady. I suppose you can fool yourself with that.

However, according to your model, we should have seen a more or less sharp step around the COG. That did not appear.

Let us say we get the same "strange" relative difference, (or only 100 µgal) between the top and the center of the container .

The relative difference is rather un-interesting.

What make you believe that should impress you or someone else ?
I believe the result must be about 400 µgal to be convincing

If any of your data even remotely supported your model, instead of the law of gravity, it might impress someone.

The container is down now. I was sitting in the shovel of a wheel loader and released all the wires, and suddenly splash, like a game of Mikado. - This is not so dangerous, but also not for sissies.

If that container, when full of sand, bursts while you are standing beside it, it may kill you.

The boards will knock you over, and the sand will bury you. Before they can dig you out, you may have suffocated. This is not a kiddie sandbox.

Actually, if you are unlucky, a six meter board falling on your head may well be enough to kill you. Please leave the dangerous games to the grownups in the future.

Hans

 

[Bjarne]

Because you are lying.

We will see, who is lying.

However, according to your model, we should have seen a more or less sharp step around the COG. That did not appear.

This only demonstrates you once again have understood NOTHING.

The relative difference is rather un-interesting.

Relative ADG is all what a CG5 is measuring.
Also this statement clearly demonstrates; you don't know anything what you blap blap blap about...

If that container, when full of sand, bursts while you are standing beside it, it may kill you.

It did few hours ago (when I released the steel wire), - and is still live.

The boards will knock you over, and the sand will bury you. Before they can dig you out, you may have suffocated. This is not a kiddie sandbox.

Actually, if you are unlucky, a six meter board falling on your head may well be enough to kill you. Please leave the dangerous games to the grownups in the future.

A cow knows not to go under something hanging in a crane. It sound like you don't know this, first rule of safety

 

[Bjarne]

However, according to your model, we should have seen a more or less sharp step around the COG. That did not appear.

The cause of Acceleration Due to Gravity (ADG); - is the relative change in "density" of space per unit distance.
Or (in other words) the relative level space is stretching per meter.
But the relative change of space density per unit distance is expected to be stable towards the center of a homogeneous mass, - and hence also towards the center of the container (the experiment).
This mean that the spring inside the CG5 will not change /strength or release due to influence from the container, (when measuring either at the surface or inside the container).
The spring will only stretch or release due to the change of the FAG.
Or in other words;
Let's say we will measure +150µgal on the top of the container.
We shall not expect to measure more than +150µgal inside the COG of the container (due to the mass of the contianer).
So we have a difference between the 2 thesis >>> zero and +150µgal
Earlier prediction, - 3 times so strong is therefore not correct.

Notice
This is not change of the theory, this still predict stable ADG towards the COG

 

[Paul]

The Domus Vista experiment was showing stable ADG towards the center, instead of the opposite.

No it wasn't.

It doesn’t seem to impress anyone.

What impresses no one is you total inability or refusal to understand your own data.

Let us say we get the same "strange" relative difference, (or only 100 µgal) between the top and the center of the container .

Why do you insist on guessing all your figures with no understanding of what you are doing?

What make you believe that should impress you or someone else ?
I believe the result must be about 400 µgal to be convincing

Why? What is your obsession with 400 µGal?

This is not so dangerous, but also not for sissies.

You, are a dangerous fool

 

[Paul]

This only demonstrates you once again have understood NOTHING.

This only demonstrates that you do not understand your own ideas or their theoretical consequences.

Relative ADG is all what a CG5 is measuring.

"The gravity survey was tied to the absolute gravity station Copenhagen University (Timmen et al., 2008). The reference gravity value is 981446.595 +/- 0.003 mGal. This value was held fixed (within the error bars) in the adjustment of the measured gravity data."
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Do you even read the reports DTU Space send you?

Also this statement clearly demonstrates; you don't know anything what you blap blap blap about...

Your constant childish repetition of this leads me to believe that you have both a very poor imagination and nothing genuine to say in response.

A cow knows not to go under something hanging in a crane. It sound like you don't know this, first rule of safety

Even a cow wouldn't have built it in the first place, first rule of safety.

 

[Paul]

The cause of Acceleration Due to Gravity (ADG); - is

Mass.

The spring will only stretch or release due to the change of the FAG.

So mass has no effect on gravity?

Or in other words;

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[MRC_Hans]

We will see, who is lying.

We have already seen that.

This only demonstrates you once again have understood NOTHING.

I can't say I have really understood your model. But then, neither have you, obviously.

Relative ADG is all what a CG5 is measuring.
Also this statement clearly demonstrates; you don't know anything what you blap blap blap about...

You are such a fool. This has nothing to do with the measuring method. Very few measuring instruments exist that are not relative. But we get absolute values anyway.

It did few hours ago (when I released the steel wire), - and is still live.

Yes, you were protected, and lucky.

A cow knows not to go under something hanging in a crane. It sound like you don't know this, first rule of safety

Bjarne, stop pretending you don't know what I'm talking about.

Hans