Bin Laden Dead Truthers Mourn

[000063]

A pirated program? What does that even mean? Stealing another terrorist's software?

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Guys, how do I find the ignore button? Clayton's being disingenuous.

 

[000063]

Exactly, so I don't see the reason for suggesting they should've just bombed the compound.

It would be a lot easier to cover up OBL's innocence, assuming there was any, if he was just paste in a pile of rubble.

 

[Sabretooth]

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Guys, how do I find the ignore button?

Click on his name on the left...an option to ignore will be in the drop down.

 

[alexi_drago]

It would be a lot easier to cover up OBL's innocence, assuming there was any, if he was just paste in a pile of rubble.

Easier than if he's fish food?

Other than being able to ID him without relying on Pakistan or AQ being co-operative I see no difference, but that is one big difference and IMO a good reason not to have done it through bombing.

 

[Army of One]

With cameras on their heads....

I highly doubt that there were any cameras on the SEALs helmets (despite the repeated speculation by reporters on CNN, FOX, etc.). I'd guess that the only video footage of the operation came from whatever aircraft they had overhead at the time (drones, support helos for example).

Everyone (especially the media) really needs to take a step back and wait for the details to be sorted out.

 

[000063]

Easier than if he's fish food?

Other than being able to ID him without relying on Pakistan or AQ being co-operative I see no difference, but that is one big difference and IMO a good reason not to have done it through bombing.

Yep. Which is probably why they didn't bomb. The Truthers claiming this was an hush-up assassination ignore the fact that there's a simple way to cover it up quicker, easier, and cheaper; point blank annihilation.

 

[000063]

Click on his name on the left...an option to ignore will be in the drop down.

Thanks. I get the feeling I'll need it soon.

 

[alexi_drago]

Yep. Which is probably why they didn't bomb. The Truthers claiming this was an hush-up assassination ignore the fact that there's a simple way to cover it up quicker, easier, and cheaper; point blank annihilation.

Ah I see, I'm getting my wires crossed. Some truthers think this was to stop him spilling the beans on 9/11?

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

SEAL who shot unarmed man and WOMAN needs more training with FIST or FBI

Tempesta and Cicorp/Truthmakespeace, do you understand Osama Bin Laden was a MILITARY TARGET in a combat zone?

No, we are not at war with Pakistan. It was their neighborhood, not a combat zone. Bin Laden was a fugitive of the U.S. Justice Department as a suspect for crimes.

Bin Laden and a woman... A HARMLESS WOMAN HALF HIS SIZE... were UNARMED. Navy SEALs with body armor shot them in a manner perceived by many, especially in that part of the world, as cowardly and inexcusable.

SEALS are supposed to be the "best of the best". Either he was a trigger happy, easily frightened, soldier (doubtful). Or (likely) he was brave but under orders to shoot Bin Laden even if unarmed. If he was even braver, he should have refused such an immoral order.

It was a poorly defined mission, and brought shame to America, when it could have brought honor. Intelligence about the number of guards (few) was lacking. Live capture should have been the #1 emphasis. This lynching hurt our reputation as a righteous nation of laws. It endangers Americans to Blow Back for years to come. How can we tell other countries "be a democracy like us"?

SEAL Team Six needs training in making live arrests, along with the U.S. Marshals' Fugitive Investigative Strike Team (FIST) in Glynco GA, or with FBI Special Agents at Quantico VA, including the use of tear gas and hand cuffs, if their mission was really to CAPTURE or kill, not just kill.

Obama is at fault for sending in men only trained to be assassins. As an attorney he should know that "bringing to justice" does not mean lynching. He should have sent in, or at least included some U.S. Marshals to do it RIGHT, and keep the respect of the world as the good guys. With Bin Laden alive and in custody, we would show that America has principles it actually stands for, not just gives lip service to.

We would have gotten a lot more information about terrorists from Bin Laden. We would have heard if he planned 9/11 or not. Dead men tell no tales. Dead men don't plead not guilty. If Cheney organized 9/11, he is smirking now.

 

[ladmo]

ARgument from ignorance noted. And argument from incredulity.

They took his body to be identified. Now that they have the dead body, what are they supposed to do with it?

Do they piss on it, **** on it, put a ham sandwich in his mouth and a israeli flag around his shoulders and light it on fire?

Do you have ANY IDEA what that would cause?

So lets say they didn't do any of that. But just tipped it over the side of a ship. Maybe pissed off the decks on it.

Do you have ANY IDEA what that would cause?

They killed him. They took him to be identified. Now what can they do that won't cause a BIGGER incident? Oh look. If you wash the body, clean it up, wrap it in a white sheet and then say the proper prayer, you can drop him in the ocean. No fuss. No Muss. No BIG issues.

ETA: You should also look at it from another perspective. By giving him the "proper" rites, they then dropped him over the side of a ship... just like they do with all the rest of the trash (IMHO). This is different from how US servicemen are buried at sea. I personally LOVE the message. He isn't even worth a headstone. Or a grave marker.

First, you do not have the knowledge base to judge me.

Second, I will not let Terrorists be the controlling factor in what I do or don't do. I will not live in fear. If you wish to, that is your choice just don't lay that on me.

Third, I will not look at it from another perspective. I did looked at it from a different angle and that being if they did this to our President... keeping the body for identification would not make me angrier... you can't get angrier than a 100%.

Fourth, bin laden did not give the Muslims killed in the WTC a Muslim burial but I guess we need to do this for him? You hold him at a higher level than I do...

 

[Clayton Moore]

Ah I see, I'm getting my wires crossed. Some truthers think this was to stop him spilling the beans on 9/11?

More like there were no beans to spill.

 

[alexi_drago]

More like there were no beans to spill.

There's tins and tins in trutherland.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This woman has obviously fallen for some sort of gung-ho, romanticised Hollywood ideal of what constitutes Special Forces. Saying "Known for the 'double tap'" is as redundant as saying 'Known for being in the Special Forces'. "Known" by who for the 'double tap'? Is she suggesting that Team 6 leave scores of dead bodies in their wake to be found by lesser troops who exclaim "Look, 'double tap' - this can only be the work of Navy SEAL Team 6!"

That paragraph reads like she was drunk while she wrote it.

Double tap isn't a navy SEALS thing, it's just plain common sense.

 

[DGM]

A HARMLESS WOMAN!.. .........

I'm guessing you don't get out much.........

 

[triforcharity]

And the point of using a computer without the internet?
Pong? Scrabble? CAD/CAM? Burglar alarm?

Wow, here's just a few for you, and all would make sense to any individual, but will most likely go right over your head.

Spreadsheets with contact information, rank structure, list of abilities and willingness to do certain things.

Making audio/video records of different things, including death threats, giving orders, sending messages, propoganda, and notes of encuragement.

Editing such video/audio recordings.

Keeping track of who is where, and what their mission is.

Keeping track of finances.

Keeping track of different ideas or plans.

Typing out orders to different groups. Which can then be sent by courior on a flash drive/thumb drive to different groups, which can then be read, and acknowledged as having been received. Doing so negates the possibility of someone tapping into their internet, or listening to their phone conversations.

Those are just a few. I am sure there are plenty more. Including the assinine ones you assumed were the only options.

 

[000063]

I like how you keep ignoring the posts that refute you, and cherry-picking the ones that you think you can win, and then cherry-picking one sentence from those and ignoring the rest.

No, we are not at war with Pakistan. It was their neighborhood, not a combat zone. Bin Laden was a fugitive of the U.S. Justice Department as a suspect for crimes.

It was an anti-terrorist/war action, which is not the same as a police action. Stop trying to soft-shoe your way around the definition.

Bin Laden and a woman... A HARMLESS WOMAN!.. were UNARMED.

Emotive language.

Navy SEALs with body armor

Which is not invulnerable.

shot them in a manner perceived by many, especially in that part of the world as inexcusable and cowardly. There is no excuse for it.

If she charged them in a manner that might be an attack, it was.

Guess what? She did. They shot her. They could not have known the two were unarmed until they were neutralized and searched. You keep blaming them for not knowing something it was impossible to determine at the time. It's like telling someone it's silly for them to not to have played the lottery yesterday because you now know their usual numbers would've won.

Also, women can be just as deadly and suicidal as men. For all they knew, OBL deliberately had her charge them to buy time for him to prime a vest or use/acquire a weapon.

SEALS are supposed to be brave and the "best of the best". The trigger happy, easily frightened, soldier who shot an unarmed man and WOMAN screwed up,

He neutralized threats. He did his job. DealWithIt.gif.

and brought shame to America. He hurt our reputation as a righteous nation of laws.

If someone is a threat in a combat zone, they get shot.

He endangers Americans to Blow Back. Team Six needs training in making live arrests, along with the U.S. Marshals or FBI Special Agents.

So now the US Marshals need "training in arrests", when you cited them as paragons of law enforcement only a short time ago. Even cops shoot people when they pose threats.

Obama is at fault for sending in a man trained only to be an assassin.

He's trained to be a soldier, and the SEALs had full discretion to kill him if the situation warranted.

He should have sent in the U.S. Marshals should have been flown in to do it right, and keep the respect of the world.

Marshals hunt down fugitives. They don't often engage in covert anti-terrorist actions.

With Bin Laden alive and in custody, we would show that America has principles is stands for.

Such as respect it's enemies? Oh, wait, they did that by expiditng his burial in accordance with Muslim custom.

We would have gotten a lot more information about terrorists from Bin Laden.

The US got a lot of info anyway.

 

[000063]

More like there were no beans to spill.

Of course! That's why he never made more than a token claim of innocence in nine+ years! He was completely innocent, so he never really claimed to be innocent! It all makes sense!

 

[aggle-rithm]

And the point of using a computer without the internet?
Pong? Scrabble? CAD/CAM? Burglar alarm?

I don't know...why don't you ask the thousands of people who used computers before there was an internet?

 

[000063]

I don't know...why don't you ask the thousands of people who used computers before there was an internet?

The what now? Computers have always had the Internet! They are absolutely useless without it, donchaknow.

 

[Army of One]

Wow, here's just a few for you, and all would make sense to any individual, but will most likely go right over your head.

Spreadsheets with contact information, rank structure, list of abilities and willingness to do certain things.

Making audio/video records of different things, including death threats, giving orders, sending messages, propoganda, and notes of encuragement.

Editing such video/audio recordings.

Keeping track of who is where, and what their mission is.

Keeping track of finances.

Keeping track of different ideas or plans.

Typing out orders to different groups. Which can then be sent by courior on a flash drive/thumb drive to different groups, which can then be read, and acknowledged as having been received. Doing so negates the possibility of someone tapping into their internet, or listening to their phone conversations.

Those are just a few. I am sure there are plenty more. Including the assinine ones you assumed were the only options.

To be fair, there have been times when my internet service has gone out and I've wondered the same thing ("What's the point of this stupid computer without the internet?").