Bill O'Reilly

[ConspiRaider]

Mittens is toast. St. McCain will be their man.

You could be right, Sez. The "Hundred Years War" guy, McCain. But I'm still thinking Romney. McCain looks as if he might keel over at any minute. Huckabee appears insane, those wild-looking eyes. Sleaziani is exactly what he is - a city-level corrupt politician who probably thinks he can cut a deal to become President. Thompson never had a chance, and of course Paul isn't going anywhere - even HE looks like he could keel over at any minute. So it's Romney or McCain. In a way, you kind of feel sorry for Republican voters. The top 3 Dems - each can whip, chop and puree Mitt or Mac. Should be a turkey shoot.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Making callow comments about one's President on FOREIGN SOIL, during a war your country is engaged in, is completely different than making a fool out of yourself by mixing idiotic benighted political commentary with bad renditions of original songs inside the boarders of your own country. Ask Jane Fonda about her problem at the end of the Vietnam War.
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Yeah, heaven forbid anyone exercise that free speech our young men and women are dying for.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well, here is the thread that corp believes he "pretty clearly" shows Media Matters taking things out of context. You can make up your own mind.

I see I also already addressed corplinx's distortion of the facts in that thread.

Rush's comments were clearly not taken out of context. Rush made up an excuse after being criticized for bad mouthing vets who had spoken out against the Iraq war by claiming Rush had been talking about one vet impersonator who had gotten free care at the VA.

FACT CHECK: "Phony Soldiers" and Limbaugh's Revisionist History

Moreover, as the blog Crooks and Liars and Media Matters noted, in the September 28 broadcast, Limbaugh expanded the group of "phony soldiers" to include Vietnam veteran Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) and Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who is currently serving in Iraq. In asserting that he was originally "talking about a genuine phony soldier," Limbaugh went on to state: "And by the way, Jesse MacBeth's not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in The New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines at Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?"

 

[corplinx]

This thread is still going? Paris.... Business...... Review....... nuff said

 

[SezMe]

McCain looks as if he might keel over at any minute.

OT: Yeah, I think age will eventually become a factor. That said, I hold some admiration for McCain. He served in the military when Bush served in some bar down the street. He got into politics and has done a lot for our country. I don't agree with his politics and his sleezy involvement with the Keating scandal. But his Straight Talk Express in 2000 captivated a lot of people, even me. But his kissing up to Falwell was a disgrace.

So, all in all, he's a complex figure with a lot of pluses and minuses. Like all the rest of us, I think. I admire the guy and wish him well....except on the trail to the presidency.

/OT

 

[Lurker]

Your assessments are mostly fair and accurate. I would disagree about Brit Hume's show, which features at least one liberal on the "All-Stars."

And how many conservatives? My guess it is more than one.

Fox News, taken as a whole, leans right-of-center. It is not perfectly neutral, perfect neutrality being a virtue we can't expect to find in the real world. The conservative bias at Fox is significantly less pronounced than the liberal bias at the major networks.

Hmm, if you excise all the opinion shows out of the lineup and only compare the news programs I think it is up for debate.

You strike me as open-minded. Try reading Goldberg's first book, Bias, and tell me what you think about his notorious 1996 WSJ article that started the media firestorm.

Perhaps I will have to give it a read.

 

[Lurker]

Over seven million voters risk their lives to cast ballots in what was once a fascist police state and your lunatic thesis requires pretending that it wasn't a historic event? I think you're embarrassing the other lefties with such silliness.

Frnakly, I would only consider it "historic" if Iraq actually were to become a peaceful democratic state that actually follows the constitution it signed. Right now the govt barely can keep peace in their own capital. Time will tell how historic the signing of a constitution is.

 

[Lurker]

An examination of the quality of analysis found on Media Matters:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={696CA889-F4D5-4D76-8946-87DF3C47EB33}

Update: the link appears broken. To read the article, visit frontpagemag.com and search for

Media Matters’ Attack on The Shadow Party By Richard Poe
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, October 30, 2006

Let me get this straight. Frontpage says that Soros was a Nazi collaborator and their evidence is that as a 14 year old boy he walked around with his godfather as tehy confiscated Jewish property.

Wow! Really. Wow! Pomeroo, would you label a 14 year old boy walking with his godfather on his godfather's business as a collaborator? To me, it seems Frontpage is reaching pretty hard to smear here.

 

[pomeroo]

Let me get this straight. Frontpage says that Soros was a Nazi collaborator and their evidence is that as a 14 year old boy he walked around with his godfather as tehy confiscated Jewish property.

Wow! Really. Wow! Pomeroo, would you label a 14 year old boy walking with his godfather on his godfather's business as a collaborator? To me, it seems Frontpage is reaching pretty hard to smear here.

(From the article)

On December 20, 1998, Soros had the following exchange with Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes, which is cited verbatim in our book:

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t see the connection. But it was – it created no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No. (5)

 

[Snide]

(From the article)

On December 20, 1998, Soros had the following exchange with Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes, which is cited verbatim in our book:

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t see the connection. But it was – it created no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No. (5)

Wow. Thanks for absolutely nothing.

(Seriously, what point are you trying to advance with this?)

 

[Lurker]

(From the article)

On December 20, 1998, Soros had the following exchange with Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes, which is cited verbatim in our book:

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
SOROS: Not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don’t see the connection. But it was – it created no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
SOROS: No. (5)

Pom, you would all a 14 yr old a collaborator for accompanying his godfather as he confiscates Jewish properties in Nazi Germany?

As for the snippet you provided, I had read it but what of it? Should a child feel guilt over something he had no control over? Over something he had very limited part in? Did the 14 year old Soros decide to join his godfather in these confiscations? Did he gleefully slap around Jews that tried to resist? What are you concoting in your imagination that gives you the right to call him a collaborator? Sorry, I think you and the Frontpage author are reaching in an effort to slime Soros.

 

[Cicero]

What education do Arnold Schwartzeneggar and Bruce Willis have? Oops! Howsabout Ted Nugent ? No? Wow! What about Rush Limbaugh? Dropped out of college after flunking out of everything? Shocking! But surely Sean Hannity... He dropped out of college too? No way!

In other words, watch where you're pointing that thing, son. You just might shoot yourself in the foot.

It was articulet who suggested Hollywood libs are smarter and wittier then Hollywood conservatives. I merely asked where there exists any evidence to support this contention. Of course libs in Hollywood out number conservatives 1000 to 1.

Arnold came to the U.S. with nothing. Took college course in business administration at USC and UCLA. Eventually became governor of the largest state in the U.S. Did you happen to miss that?

Limmbaugh and Hannity are paid to give their political views. The Hollywood bug wits I mentioned read scripts for a living, and every time they try to speak extemporaneously on history or politics, they invariably make fools of themselves.

Why don't they run for office if they have such a burning desire to change the system?

 

[Cicero]

Yeah, heaven forbid anyone exercise that free speech our young men and women are dying for.

You are either invincibly ignorant or deliberately obtuse. There is a law called the Sedition Act which prohibited Americans to use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war. But because we are Americans, we give the widest latitude to those who react with their emotions instead of their intellect. Therefore, the Sedition Act is hardly ever invoked since WWI.

I doubt if you asked the POW's in the Hanoi Hilton they appreciated Jane Fonda cozying up to their North Vietnamese captors. Just a guess.

 

[Cleon]

You are either invincibly ignorant or deliberately obtuse. There is a law called the Sedition Act which prohibited Americans to use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war. But because we are Americans, we give the widest latitude to those who react with their emotions instead of their intellect. Therefore, the Sedition Act is hardly ever invoked since WWI.

Actually, it's because the Sedition Act of 1918 was repealed in 1921.

Before you call someone "invincibly ignorant or deliberately obtuse," you should probably get your own facts in order.

Oh, and as mod:

Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cleon

 

[Cicero]

Actually, it's because the Sedition Act of 1918 was repealed in 1921.

Before you call someone "invincibly ignorant or deliberately obtuse," you should probably get your own facts in order.

Oh, and as mod:

Attack the argument, not the arguer.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cleon

That's a gnomic motto.

However, that is why I stated it was rarely invoked since WWI. I figured there must have been a reason. The fact it was repealed is the best reason. But of course there is still the U.S. federal statute, The 1940 Smith Act, that makes it a criminal offense to:


“ knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise or teach the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States or of any State by force or violence, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises or encourages such an overthrow, or for anyone to become a member of or to affiliate with any such association."

 

[Snide]

However, that is why I stated it had not been invoked since WWI.

False. You said hardly, and gave further evidence that you believed it was still law. Here is the relevant quote from you:

But because we are Americans, we give the widest latitude to those who react with their emotions instead of their intellect. Therefore, the Sedition Act is hardly ever invoked since WWI.

You said it was because we are Americans that we give the widest latitude, not because the law was repealed.

That's not even a nice try. You are not O'Reillying your way out of this one.

 

[Lurker]

Back to FoxNews, I found this snippet interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BDvfAf2c4

In it, you see FoxNews claim they are polling independent voters for their opinions. Yet, oddly, the SAME "independent voter" is in both Iowa and New Hampshire four months apart. That guy gets around!!

 

[Cicero]

False. You said hardly, and gave further evidence that you believed it was still law. Here is the relevant quote from you:


You said it was because we are Americans that we give the widest latitude, not because the law was repealed.

That's not even a nice try. You are not O'Reillying your way out of this one.

I make many mistakes. But while I did confuse the repealed Sedition Act for the still active Smith Act, the sentiment still holds true that Americans do not invoke the Smith Act, if not the Sedition Act, when bug wit celebs suffer from hoof-and-mouth disease.

 

[Cicero]

Back to FoxNews, I found this snippet interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BDvfAf2c4

In it, you see FoxNews claim they are polling independent voters for their opinions. Yet, oddly, the SAME "independent voter" is in both Iowa and New Hampshire four months apart. That guy gets around!!

Fascinating. But for the chutzpah prize, CNN, aka Clinton News Network, is still king. They not only stocked the audience at a Democrat Presidential debate, but also controlled the questions attendees asked.

 

[Lurker]

the sentiment still holds true that Americans do not invoke the Smith Act, if not the Sedition Act, when bug wit celebs suffer from hoof-and-mouth disease.

Please note there is a large difference between the two. I am not aware that any Hollywood celebs are calling for the overthrow of the US govt. Further, are we officially at war? Not that I know of.