Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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kitakaze said:
...snip...While we're at it though, I could certainly see some paleoanthropolgists in considering gigantos' gait being somewhat nudged towards knucke-walking by the spectre of having hordes of footers waving my work around as proof of their crackpot ideas....snip...
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No, I don't think it would happen. If the evidence pointed towards bipedalism, they would for sure defend it. No conspiracy here. Note that the mere fact that a giant ape was described was enough for some footers assume giganthopitecus=bigfoot. Everything that didn't fit was set aside.

kitakaze said:
Gleaning factual evidence from unconfirmed anecdotal reports gets real sticky when you get to the dileneating credibility part. But I say all the more power to an intrepid footer who puts on the $#!T-waders and does so if it actually starts coming up with some concrete (read specimen) results.Well one would think that young sasquatches would be a susceptable to predation as any other animal. I don't know, I'm no expert but what would the comparitive numbers look like if we look at bears and take out predation by man or other bears?...snip...
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Well, a footer would speculate bigfeet mommas are extremely efficient on child care...

Some say bigfeet bury their dead, backed by a report by some teenagers that were hiking back in the 60s (IIRC). Now, if you were a bigfoot researcher and knew where a bigfoot corpse is buried, what would you do?
See? That's the sort of stuff some people claim to be reliable evidence...
 
Correa Neto said:
No, I don't think it would happen. If the evidence pointed towards bipedalism, they would for sure defend it. No conspiracy here. Note that the mere fact that a giant ape was described was enough for some footers assume giganthopitecus=bigfoot. Everything that didn't fit was set aside....
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What didn't fit that was "set aside?"
 
Correa Neto said:
No, I don't think it would happen. If the evidence pointed towards bipedalism, they would for sure defend it. No conspiracy here. Note that the mere fact that a giant ape was described was enough for some footers assume giganthopitecus=bigfoot. Everything that didn't fit was set aside.
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No, you're right, Correa. I shoulda thought about that a little more carefully. I wasn't exactly thinking CT level but I think I maybe over-estimated the impact that footers might have. I think this quote from the wikipedia entry on Gigantopithecus might illustrate an example of how I was wrong...
It was probably a quadruped and an herbivore and with a diet that consisted primarily of bamboo, possibly supplemented with seasonal fruits, although recent theory suggests it was a generalist in its eating habits.
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...specifically in regards to recent theories on eating habits.
 
Huntster said:
What didn't fit that was "set aside?"
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Huntster, I remember when I was in elementary school with a nacent fascination with bigfoot and I learned separately of the existence of Gigantopithecus and at the time had one of those 'eureka!' moments. It was solely the giant gaps of information that allowed me to foster the idea, though. IMO, it's a complete lack of sufficient and reliable information upon which to make the hypothesis that is being set aside to make the connection.
 
Huntster said:
What didn't fit that was "set aside?"
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- Avaliable data indicates it was not bipedal;
- Specimens found in China and not North America;
- Dietary habits (inferred from dentition pattern and wear marks), different from supposed bigfeet's diet (infered from anedoctal data);
- Related to orang-utangs instead of being a hominid (as bigfeet are supposed to be by many "experts");
- Reconstructions are very different from bigfoot renderings and PGF's subject.
 
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kitakaze said:
Huntster, I remember when I was in elementary school with a nacent fascination with bigfoot and I learned separately of the existence of Gigantopithecus and at the time had one of those 'eureka!' moments. It was solely the giant gaps of information that allowed me to foster the idea, though. IMO, it's a complete lack of sufficient and reliable information upon which to make the hypothesis that is being set aside to make the connection.
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Like this:

It was probably a quadruped and an herbivore and with a diet that consisted primarily of bamboo, possibly supplemented with seasonal fruits, although recent theory suggests it was a generalist in its eating habits.
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It's interesting how presumptions are only pointed out on one side of the sasquatch/giganto debate.
 
Huntster said:
It's interesting how presumptions are only pointed out on one side of the sasquatch/giganto debate.
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Well, I said before that I don't think there's much of a gap in the evidence concerning conflicting views on giganto's gait but as for giganto/sasquatch I don't think there's anywhere near enough information to even have a debate that doesn't involve unhelpful speculation.
 
With regard to the Giganto/sasquatch debate, the bottom line appears to be thus:

1) Sasquatches are predominately reported (in both Asia and North America) to be large, bipedal, apelike creatures.

2) Gigantopithecus is judged to be a large ape by the size of the teeth and mandibles that have been found in China.

Did I miss anything, or did I add too much?
 
Huntster said:
With regard to the Giganto/sasquatch debate, the bottom line appears to be thus:

1) Sasquatches are predominately reported (in both Asia and North America) to be large, bipedal, apelike creatures.

2) Gigantopithecus is judged to be a large ape by the size of the teeth and mandibles that have been found in China.

Did I miss anything, or did I add too much?
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Huntster, you know I'm not gonna be the one to outright dismiss a possible connection between sasquatch and Gigantos or Paranthropus or whatever other candidates are speculated but IMHO the answer to your question lies directly between number one and number two. Edited for shochu meets typing.
 
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kitakaze said:
Huntster, you know I'm not gonna be the one to outright dismiss a possible connection between sasquatch and Gigantos or Paranthropus or whatever other candidates are speculated but IMHO opinion the answer to your question lies directly between number one and number two.
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Forgive me for whipping this dead horse, but don't we reall need a #1 before we can tie it in with #2 ?


Oh, and I guess I'm going to be forced to post about the PGF for a change..


Standby..
 
That reminds me, Diogenes or Huntster, has the BFF been hacked again? Everytime I try to check the site my server crashes and anti-virus software goes nuts. I also saw Ray G put up a thread saying he believed so. It's kinda funny but it was the last hack that brought me here. Maybe some cool stragglers from 'Believers to Doubters' will swim over here.
 
kitakaze said:
That reminds me, Diogenes or Huntster, has the BFF been hacked again? Everytime I try to check the site my server crashes and anti-virus software goes nuts. I also saw Ray G put up a thread saying he believed so. It's kinda funny but it was the last hack that brought me here. Maybe some cool stragglers from 'Believers to Doubters' will swim over here.
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Last I heard it has been cleaned up.. I have been there a couple of times without my AV ( ZoneAlarm ) being triggered..
 
Diogenes, sorry for the morbidity but considering Gimlin's recent heart surgery, do you think a death-bed confession from him would be a likely event? I'll go on the record as saying I don't think so. If the PGF was a hoax it's my feeling that he wasn't in on it.
 
kitakaze said:
Huntster, you know I'm not gonna be the one to outright dismiss a possible connection between sasquatch and Gigantos or Paranthropus or whatever other candidates are speculated but IMHO the answer to your question lies directly between number one and number two. Edited for shochu meets typing.
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To put it on another way...

Can plesiosaurs validate Nessie?

Nessie is a plesiosaur?
 
Diogenes said:
The thought occurred to me, but I think it best for me not to go there..

I don't see how he could not be involved if it were a hoax, and I do believe it was a hoax...
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Well, I just start chasin' my tail around whenever I give too much thought to the PGF but I agree, if it was a hoax I also don't see how he could not have been in on it. I have a completely useless feeling that his behaviour concerning the matter since the incident just doesn't sit quite right with me per the profile of a hoaxer. But there you go, I didn't say I know better and it's when I give too much thought to Gimlin that I start to get all dizzy (hopefully not woozy).:D
 
How many Bigfoots can you find in this trailcam picture?

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