Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Huntster]

If that ain't stutborness, what is it else ?

Patience and longevity like you wouldn't believe.

 

[Mad Hom]

If that ain't stutborness, what is it else ?

See Fudd considers himself the one true light of scientific thought. He rants and raves about how we skeptics are pseudo-scientific and how we are incorrect in our analysis of all the useless Hairy Biped evidence.

He uses pithy one line responses,says "NO" alot,argues semantically,demands we prove negatives etc etc

You know just like most Tru-Bleevers.

Although Fudley would have you believe that he only Bleevs in the LIKELIHOOD of the creatures existence and not that it's a stone cold lock as his activity here would intimate.

It's a new tactic I've noticed here and on a few other boards....

Pretend to be scientific and accuse everyone else of not doing so,than get all obtuse and play semantic diversion games,stubbornly sticking to the SAFE position of LIKELIHOOD because he certainly can't prove that his pet fantasy monster in any way shape or form exists.

Yes he's a stubborn ass,but again........most Tru-Bleevers are!!

 

[Huntster]

Quite a sermon. And it's all about............................little ol' me.

Like that's what this is all about.

In fact, isn't that what you stressed was your goal here, Mr. Science?

"Knock" something off of me?

 

[Mad Hom]

Quite a sermon. And it's all about............................little ol' me.

Like that's what this is all about.

In fact, isn't that what you stressed was your goal here, Mr. Science?

"Knock" something off of me?

This Mr Science thing with you grows tired and played out Fudster. I never claimed to be remotely a "Scientist". I am a dock foreman for a distribution warehouse in Phoenix who happens to think that you and your ilk are full of copious amounts of Shyt.

UFOs,Bigfeet,Lake Monsters,Ghosts and The Chupa-Freekin-Cabra among other things come accompanied with very little resembling compelling evidence and are MOST LIKELY horsepucky yet Tru-Bleevers carry on as if these things are foregone conclusions.

They expound on such things as.....

Where do you think Bigfeet goes in the winter? Do they hibernate or do they migrate to warmer climes?

How many Bigfeet per litter do you think?

If Bigfeet can detect and destroy game cams,how will we ever film one?

Heard some vocalizations last night. Why do you think this Bigfeet wanted me out of his area??

.... when they still haven't proven the thing even exists!!!!!

That is what it's all about Fudd. You have very little yet you and those who share your delusion carry on as if it is those who don't buy into your fantasy world that are the ones full of hooey.

Formally I am 99% it's bullshyt I mean we have no smoking ape suit and I wasn't even alive and as such wasn't there when it was filmed so I can't completely disprove the PGF.

Informally though I'm sure it's complete bullshyt...based on all the botched oppurtunity,the reliance on tons of anecdotal evidence,and the countless hoaxes that pollute this BLEEF.

I'm interested enough to even give it 5 minutes of my time a day,which is more than most folks out there who have this outlook on it..

Bigfeet?? HAAHHHAHAHAHhhhahahahaha!!

...would do.

So I'm here to argue with Bleevers in a place where I won't be banned for having a dissenting view,and if in the process I get to bring a complete raving arsehole such as yourself down a peg or two than that's just icing on the cake Fudd,just icing on the cake.

 

[LTC8K6]

How long until footers start advancing the theory that foot went extinct in the last 20-30 years?

How long until this becomes the reason for not finding one?

Or have they already started this and I didn't get the memo?

 

[Mad Hom]

How long until footers start advancing the theory that foot went extinct in the last 20-30 years?

How long until this becomes the reason for not finding one?

Or have they already started this and I didn't get the memo?

I'm sure it's forthcoming LTC,hell they may even embellish it to "Patty" must have been the last of her kind.

Of course North America is still a relatively wooded place so as long as there are trees to hide behind...they'll Bleev that Hairy Bipeds exist.

Their like Death and Taxes in that regard.

 

[Correa Neto]

I'm working on it...............

Go ahead, baby! Try proving I am a liar.
Let's see if you've got something else than hot air, "Bull at a China shop"...
If you cant do it, what's the right thing to do?
How would you call a person who makes false accusations?

BTW, in the meanwhile, what about clearing the claims below, just two among the many you've made?
-Prove your interpretation of data about bigfeet is better than mine or anyone else's on this board (no, beckjord does not qualify).
-Prove your claim that its mathematically impossible for all bigfoot sightings to be wrong.

Or they are empty claims?
If you can't back them, what about retreating them?
How people who make false claims should be called?

No.

OOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOOH! How brave, defiant and bold you think you are... I guess its your right to keep embarassing yourself with such poor excuses for debate tatics.

You have not answered the questions posed at you again.

Since I still have plenty of magnificient sportsmanship and goodwill, I will again remember you that relying just on Ad hominem attacks, obfuscation and diversion can potentially make people conclude you've got nothing at all to contribute. C'mon, Huntster, show us you're game! You want to be taken seriously or not?

One last question... Are you a masochist?

 

[bruto]

How long until footers start advancing the theory that foot went extinct in the last 20-30 years?

How long until this becomes the reason for not finding one?

Or have they already started this and I didn't get the memo?

I think they're working up to it. I seem to recall somewhere in the vast wasteland of this thread some comments along that line by Lu, speculating that they may be going extinct. ( Apologies to Lu if it wasn't her post. Haven't heard from her in a while. ) But it's a pretty obvious copout, and a good bet to occur as theoretical bigfoot habitat is inevitably penetrated and investigated and the critters almost inevitably fail to show up. Theories will proliferate on why the squatch's family dynamics, social organization and dietary habits (all well enough understood of course) fitted it so poorly to continued survival.

And it's all the fault of the stubborn big science establishment and scofftics like Mad Hom and thaiboxerkitten et al. We missed our chance. But the legend will never die.

 

[Mad Hom]

I think they're working up to it. I seem to recall somewhere in the vast wasteland of this thread some comments along that line by Lu, speculating that they may be going extinct. ( Apologies to Lu if it wasn't her post. Haven't heard from her in a while. ) But it's a pretty obvious copout, and a good bet to occur as theoretical bigfoot habitat is inevitably penetrated and investigated and the critters almost inevitably fail to show up. Theories will proliferate on why the squatch's family dynamics, social organization and dietary habits (all well enough understood of course) fitted it so poorly to continued survival.

And it's all the fault of the stubborn big science establishment and scofftics like Mad Hom and thaiboxerkitten et al. We missed our chance. But the legend will never die.

That's Informed Scofftic to you bruto.

Seriously though I guess I am a scofftic because after weighing and measuring the "evidence" I have found Bigfeet to be wanting. To me it's a simple matter of how easy would this thing be to hoax. Bigfeet are bipedal,people are bipedal,Bigfeet are hairy,people can don hairy suit. Where's the mystery?!!?

Of the twenty or so Hairy Biped films 19 are considered hoaxes even by Bigfoot fan. Only one is not and even that one is at best inconclusive. Conversely I know of only one Thylacine film and it is most definitely of a real animal. The fact that Thylacines would be hard to hoax on film and the fact that we actually have a real one on film makes me think........yeah maybe some Thylacine may still exist,yet you can count the Thylacine forums on a unicorns horn. This make no sense.

Bigfoot locomotion and general body shape just scream easy to hoax, "Patty" and her alledged muscle movement notwithstanding yet Forums on the subject proliferate. I'm dumbfounded.

Inconclusive film of dubious provenance,plaster casts of somethings passing,and a 50 foot trailer filled to the brim with eyewitness accounts just ain't gonna get it done with me. I'm gonna need actual proof which for me would mean a dead body or failing that a clear,closeup film of what obviously appears to be a flesh and blood animal that lasts longer than a few seconds.
So yeah call me a scofftic I guess.

As for extinction as a possible excuse for Bigfoot Fan...seems to me to be the obvious choice. It has low risk, and high reward.

Upside: Extinction makes it impossible to debunk Bigfoot. They existed and even though we never actually saw one at least we believed in them. It was special why it lasted.

Downside: Well all the armchair squatch hunters (BFRO) would have to get real jobs for one thing and sadly no more speculation as to what they eat,where they sleep and how they mate.

Oh and they'd have to explain the continuation of people seeing unknown hairyness in the woods even after Hairy Bipeds went extinct.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster :
Quite a sermon. And it's all about............................little ol' me.

Like that's what this is all about.

In fact, isn't that what you stressed was your goal here, Mr. Science?

"Knock" something off of me?

...This Mr Science thing with you grows tired and played out Fudster. I never claimed to be remotely a "Scientist". I am a dock foreman for a distribution warehouse in Phoenix who happens to think that you and your ilk are full of copious amounts of Shyt.

I could tell. You write like me.

I’m just an old combat engineer who stayed in the trade. I’m nearing the end of my “career”, and looking forward to it. I started out as a “hands-on” guy, stayed that way until recently, and wish I had stayed that way until the end.

I think the difference between our two “blue collar” atmospheres is that mine was spent in the woods. I have no illusions that everything in the woods has been “discovered” by the guys in white lab coats.

That is what it's all about Fudd.

I guess that’s the way you see it.

I guess you’re still in elementary school……….

 

[Huntster]

How long until footers start advancing the theory that foot went extinct in the last 20-30 years?

The next time you take a bath (this fall, perhaps?) look down at your feet.

Did you go extinct yet?

(Mentally, ideologically, and spiritually; YES. But that doesn't mean that all bipedal hominids have "followed" you................)

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster :
I'm working on it...............

Go ahead, baby! Try proving I am a liar.
Let's see if you've got something else than hot air, "Bull at a China shop"...
If you cant do it, what's the right thing to do?....

Wait.

How would you call a person who makes false accusations?

A liar.

BTW, in the meanwhile, what about clearing the claims below, just two among the many you've made?
-Prove your interpretation of data about bigfeet is better than mine or anyone else's on this board (no, beckjord does not qualify).
-Prove your claim that its mathematically impossible for all bigfoot sightings to be wrong.

Or they are empty claims?

1) Interpretation:

It's not the interpretation of "data" regarding bigfeet that I can do better than you;

it's your excuse of "interpretation" that I hold in suspect.

It's not a lie............yet.

It's "interpretation".

As for the math?:

No, I can't "mathematically" prove that sasquatch exists. I know that as well as you do.

My point is that it is unlikely that all the reports are false.

If you can't back them, what about retreating them?

I reject any indication (or implication) that sasquatches exist mathematically, and reject any claim that I did so at all.

One last question... Are you a masochist?

Funny thing about "masochists".

They're some damned tough folks.

Ever try to whip a masochist's ass?

I'm not sure if I'm a "masochist" or not.

But I can take more "punishment" than you've ever seen.

Physically, mentally, spiritually, and in every other way that you have ever imagined.

You?

 

[Huntster]

I think they're working up to it. I seem to recall somewhere in the vast wasteland of this thread some comments along that line by Lu, speculating that they may be going extinct. ( Apologies to Lu if it wasn't her post. Haven't heard from her in a while.)

It was likely me.

...But it's a pretty obvious copout....

As well as an obvious reason........

and a good bet to occur as theoretical bigfoot habitat is inevitably penetrated and investigated and the critters almost inevitably fail to show up. Theories will proliferate on why the squatch's family dynamics, social organization and dietary habits (all well enough understood of course) fitted it so poorly to continued survival.

I notice you don't mention "seclusion" or "reclusiveness".

And I still wait for "theoretical bigfoot habitat is inevitably penetrated and investigated".

And it's all the fault of the stubborn big science establishment and scofftics like Mad Hom and thaiboxerkitten et al.....

No, it's not Horny's and Kenny's fault. They're just fools who don't know any better.

Just like the supposed "know-it-alls" who are sitting behind their ivy-covered walls, talking BS.

 

[Huntster]

.......To me it's a simple matter of how easy would this thing be to hoax....

Yup. That's what it is "to you".

You have no idea how it is scientifically.

Of the twenty or so Hairy Biped films 19 are considered hoaxes even by Bigfoot fan. Only one is not and even that one is at best inconclusive. Conversely I know of only one Thylacine film and it is most definitely of a real animal.

Really?

Okay, Mr. Scientist............

Prove it..............

 

[Correa Neto]

Wait.

Baby, this means you at least suspect I am a liar. Now, answer this simple question:
You suspect I am a liar or you think (belive, whatever) I am a liar?
If the answer is "yes", tell me why and you'd better be able prove it.

For how long I will have to wait? Untill reliable evidence for bigfeet appears?
Not holding my breath...

A liar.

So baby, if you made accusations you never proved, accusations that are false, what would you be called of?

BTW, are you interested in the OP's subject or just want to pick a fight?
There are propper forums for a fight, in case you have not noticed...

1) Interpretation:

It's not the interpretation of "data" regarding bigfeet that I can do better than you;

it's your excuse of "interpretation" that I hold in suspect.

It's not a lie............yet.

It's "interpretation".

Then, the questions now are:
(1) Why you hold suspect my interpretation?
(2) Why yours is not suspect?
(3) When will my interpretation become a lie?

Before answering, a sporting chance for you: Be carefull when answering item (3).

As for the math?:

No, I can't "mathematically" prove that sasquatch exists. I know that as well as you do.

My point is that it is unlikely that all the reports are false.

If you can't back them, what about retreating them?

I reject any indication (or implication) that sasquatches exist mathematically, and reject any claim that I did so at all.

Now you are showing some improvment. Recognizing an error or mistake is a noble and honest gest. May it become part of your behavior here and elsewhere.

But check your words to avoid being caught in the semantic games you love so much...
This time I won't laid the bait for you or show the obvious catches you trapped yourself in to. I'll give you another sporting chance. As I always do with people I don't consider game.

Funny thing about "masochists".

They're some damned tough folks.

Ever try to whip a masochist's ass?

I'm not sure if I'm a "masochist" or not.

But I can take more "punishment" than you've ever seen.

Physically, mentally, spiritually, and in every other way that you have ever imagined.

You?

Was this a proposal?
Sorry to shatter your dreams baby, I'm straight and not a fan of BDSM, latex and similar stuff.

Soooo easy to bait...

Is this what you consider being tough, "bull at China shop", etc.?

The best you can do is diversion, obsfucation etc.?
Your goal is to move this thread to AAH forum?
What is your current goal here, Huntster?
What do you intend to achieve with this sort of approach?

Again I ask if you can bring something worthy to a debate. Bring it and I -as well as other posters- will consider you game. By now, you are behaving just like a troll. And being treated as one.

 

[Aepervius]

Congratulation huntster

Funny thing about "masochists".

They're some damned tough folks.

Ever try to whip a masochist's ass?

I'm not sure if I'm a "masochist" or not.

But I can take more "punishment" than you've ever seen.

Physically, mentally, spiritually, and in every other way that you have ever imagined.

Now I will get weird nightmare of you getting ass-slaped by a sasquash in leather underwear (with a nine tail whip), while you yell "I have been a baaad boy ! Punish me".

 

[LTC8K6]

The next time you take a bath (this fall, perhaps?) look down at your feet.

Did you go extinct yet?

(Mentally, ideologically, and spiritually; YES. But that doesn't mean that all bipedal hominids have "followed" you................)

Okay, they are still there, still size 13D too. I took an extra bath just to see.

Fake feet don't go extinct, of course, and will still be stomping through the woods for a long time yet, to the delight of footers & hoaxers everywhere.

I kinda like the idea, myself.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster :
Wait.

Baby, this means you at least suspect I am a liar. Now, answer this simple question:
You suspect I am a liar or you think (belive, whatever) I am a liar?
If the answer is "yes", tell me why and you'd better be able prove it.

You posted a "quote", didn't attribute it to anyone, and had to be prod to admit that it was your "interpretation" of the attitude of "bleevers".

Lie?

It's the kind of crap one expects from lawyers and politicians.

So baby, if you made accusations you never proved, accusations that are false, what would you be called of?

A liar, lawyer, or politician.

BTW, are you interested in the OP's subject or just want to pick a fight?

Any of the above is fine.

There are propper forums for a fight, in case you have not noticed...

No, I didn't notice. I thought this was a "fighting" forum.

It's not the interpretation of "data" regarding bigfeet that I can do better than you;

it's your excuse of "interpretation" that I hold in suspect.

It's not a lie............yet.

It's "interpretation".

Then, the questions now are:
(1) Why you hold suspect my interpretation?
(2) Why yours is not suspect?
(3) When will my interpretation become a lie?

1) Because it's wrong.
2) It is.
3) When it's done with the intend to portray a falsehood (which, IMO, you already did)

Before answering, a sporting chance for you: Be carefull when answering item (3).

Thanks for the "sporting chance". I'm game.

Whatcha gonna do?

No, I can't "mathematically" prove that sasquatch exists. I know that as well as you do.

My point is that it is unlikely that all the reports are false.

If you can't back them, what about retreating them?

No. I stand by my statement.

It is incredibly unlikely that all the reports are misidentifications or manufactured.

Originally Posted by Huntster :
Funny thing about "masochists".

They're some damned tough folks.

Ever try to whip a masochist's ass?

I'm not sure if I'm a "masochist" or not.

But I can take more "punishment" than you've ever seen.

Physically, mentally, spiritually, and in every other way that you have ever imagined.

You?

Was this a proposal?

Nope. It was a statement and a question.

I don't ever expect an answer from you. (Frankly, I already know the answer.)

What is your current goal here, Huntster?

Confront bullspit.

What do you intend to achieve with this sort of approach?

Confront bullspit.

Again I ask if you can bring something worthy to a debate.

I can bring a fight.

Bring it and I -as well as other posters- will consider you game. By now, you are behaving just like a troll. And being treated as one.

That's quite fine. I have no intention whatsoever to "fit in" around here.

That's because I don't "fit" with people like you.

And I'm damned glad for that.

 

[Mad Hom]

Really?

Okay, Mr. Scientist............

Prove it..............

Ok there Mr.Smarty Pants how's this.....

Here's some film from 1912...a living,breathing Thylacine...whats that you say? Yep This is obviously an actual live animal Fudd. It's clear,close up and obviously not a hoax,hell there's even people in the background for some scale.

http://www.naturalworlds.org/thylacine/films/java/film1/film_1.htm

24 years later...and the Thylacine still looks the same...still obviously a live animal.

http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/m...hylacinus_cynocephalu_00.html?movietype=rpMed


Holy crap...Thylacine mother load...some of which I previously posted..all from the 20's & 30's.....the key here is...how it exactly resembles the other two, and how it's obviously not a guy in a suit.

http://www.naturalworlds.org/thylacine/films/motion_film_footage.htm


So I guess I was wrong...there are at least 8 different Thylacine flicks...everyone depicts a living,breathing animal that's obviously what it claims to be....a Thylacine.

Now I'm sure you're already drooling all over your keyboard preparing for a..."It might be a Dingo with stripes painted on it's backside" comeback. Feel free to suppress that urge lest you want to reveal yourself for what you truly are Fudd ......an obtuse,contrarian ass.

The animals depicted in these films clearly aren't Dingos or German Shepherds or guys in suits for that matter. They were filmed doing all kinds of things that real animals do....you know eating,running,lying down,opening their mouths etc.

Now having seen these videos I am more open to the possibility that a few may have survived extinction soooo if I see a Modern Thylacine video...oh say...tomorrow I won't shyt all over whoever brings said video forward based on the fact that we have studied,cut open,classified,filmed numerous times and held in captivity many actual honest to goodness Thylacines.

The same cannot be said for Haiy Bipeds...and until which time that they catch up with the Thylacine in terms of "evidence" most logical people with even a shred of a whisp of critical thought in their skulls will continue to hold Bigfoot Fan to the exact same standards Fudster.

No matter how many times you click your heels Fudley it doesn't change the fact that the PGF is basically an inconclusive movie filmed by someone who by all accounts was known as a shiesty malcontent whose story has holes in it that you could drive a bus through and which contradicts itself and the story of the only other guy who was there the day of filming on many points.

If that works for you than fine....dream on Fudley....it's a free country,but to the critical thinkers out there the PGF and Hairy Bipeds in general will continue to be what they have been for quite some time.... a mildly diverting hoax.

So there ya go Fudnick........let the yes/no one line responses fly. I'm already envisioning you nitpicking my post,contradicting me with statements along the lines of..."Well to me the PGF is something altogether different" blah blah blah......so get to it Fudd. Time to start blathering!!

 

[Mad Hom]

No, it's not Horny's and Kenny's fault. They're just fools who don't know any better.

Just like the supposed "know-it-alls" who are sitting behind their ivy-covered walls, talking BS.

Well now there's that chip I was talking about...."supposed know-it-alls"...."ivy-covered walls".....damn Fudd just because Science won't substantiate your pet fantasy monster.....no need to hate. You'll always have your delusional thoughts of woods thick with Hairy Bipeds of unusual size oh and your feetprint sighting to keep you all warm and fuzzy while you sleep.

It's ok Fudster...there there....give us a hug.....Science isn't mean and evil...they just require actual proof. Proof that you and the rest of the Cult of Bigfeet have as of yet been unable to provide,and even though you most likely never ever will...that still is no excuse to be mad at Science Fudley.

Why not try to embrace Science,give it a chance it may just lift that fog you've been living under Fudd. Remember, the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.