Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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There are many thousands of flying squirrels for each sasquatch

The problem is, you state this as a fact, when you really can't do that. You actually have no idea what the ratio is in any given area.

He'd gotten the goods, and they weren't good enough, for science (despite their "a photo would be good enough" b******t) or for people like you.

Problem....in some versions of the incident, they didn't know what they had on film until it was developed. Gimlin did not even bother to watch the developed film, anyway, that's how excited he was about it.....

Since Gimlin did not watch the film after it was developed, it's technically possible that Gimlin has no idea what was on the original film to this day.

Naysayers wouldn't have been a problem until several days after the incident, so they can't be why P/G failed to pursue or return. Gimlin says they didn't know what was on the film, so "having the goods" couldn't be the reason either.

I read that Patterson also had a still camera with him as well. I wonder if that was ever used to photograph tracks or anything.
 
Huntster, a 35MM still or two would probably have shown everybody a lot more about Patty.

Imagine the blowups we'd have from that.... :D

Bullspit.

A photograph will just give people like yourself more crap to discuss.
 
My analogy still holds up beautifully. There are many thousands of flying squirrels for each sasquatch, and you still haven't seen one in the wild. The reason most folks don't is because they are nocturnal, and is less active in the winter.

Do you have any proof of the sasquatch numbers?

And anyway, you haven't addressed the fact that there is no way to reliably attract a sasquatch or film one in the wild, unlike flying squirrels, which can be attracted with fair success and filmed even by amateurs. They can even be acclimated to take food from people.

Can you make this claim about sasquatches?
 
Originally Posted by Huntster :
My analogy still holds up beautifully. There are many thousands of flying squirrels for each sasquatch, and you still haven't seen one in the wild. The reason most folks don't is because they are nocturnal, and is less active in the winter.

Do you have any proof of the sasquatch numbers?

No, just like you don't have any proof of flying squirrel numbers.

And anyway, you haven't addressed the fact that there is no way to reliably attract a sasquatch or film one in the wild, unlike flying squirrels, which can be attracted with fair success and filmed even by amateurs. They can even be acclimated to take food from people.

Can you make this claim about sasquatches?

Nope.
 
By Huntster in reference to jackalopes...

We've all seen them for sale in gift shops, but have you heard or read of any reports from witnesses saying they've seen them in the wild?

There are many reports!

http://www.creatingmarks.com/Jackalope.html

The following seems real to me. Is it a fake? Is it real? Who can say for certain?
http://www.wyomingtalesandtrails.com/doug3.html

http://www.2camels.com/festival217.php3

History of the Lope:
http://www.stuffemal.com/misc/jackalope.html


Eyewitnesses:

http://www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/Articles/Jackalpoe.html
http://www.rockhounds.com/rocknet/archive/messages/18677.shtml

5th paragraph down in the story: http://www.nascar.com/2002/news/headlines/wc/06/26/petty_day3/index.html

I'll stop now!





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We've all seen them for sale in gift shops, but have you heard or read of any reports from witnesses saying they've seen them in the wild?


There are many reports!

Well, now. That's very impressive. I stand corrected.

I'll stop now!

By all means, continue. I won't become a "bleever", but perhaps you can convince one of the pseudo-scientists on this forum to look into the matter.
 
Huntster, I don't discuss crap.

I think you do.

For example, I spent a couple of days up in the Mentasta Mountains this past weekend. I came upon some "crap" on the trail.

Now, I'd usually assume that it was bear "crap", but I'm afraid I've spent too much time arguing with you "skeptics". Akin to your arguments that since we didn't see the feet that created the PG footprints, we don't know what creature made those prints, I didn't see the ass that crapped this scat, so I don't know what kind of crap it is.

LTC, since you're so good at identifying bear footprints with a mere peek at a photo, perhaps you can identify this "crap" for us.

Can you tell us it's age, what the creature had eaten, and if it's warm or not?
 

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Gee, look!

More crap of a different color!

Go ahead, LTC........work your magic again.

Oh, BTW, there wasn't an identifying footprint in sight.

Imagine that! A creature can crap and leave no footprints!

Magic? Aliens? Is Beckjord right?

How do you explain that, LTC?
 

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You know huntster ?

Gee, look!

More crap of a different color!

Go ahead, LTC........work your magic again.

Oh, BTW, there wasn't an identifying footprint in sight.

Imagine that! A creature can crap and leave no footprints!

Magic? Aliens? Is Beckjord right?

How do you explain that, LTC?


You know the difference between a bleever in bigfootery and a scientific or skeptic ?

The way I see it with all the speculation fro bigfooter in correlation with the amount of data, the bleever will say those two pile of crap are bigfoot crap, estimate the population number, says it comes from 5 different specy, the bigfoot is 27 year old and has had 3 kids and it is a female with a black fur color, with white spot under the arm pit.

The skeptic or scientific, will take a sample, send it to a DNA labor, and ask whether this is bear or primate crap, and will limit the speculation at that.
 
those pictures from new york are lacking something that almost every animal does. Why isnt the creature looking at the camera. Why is it that big foot is so calm and casual around people. Why is the big kahoona never suprised. He acts like he is out doing a dance or show for the camera. Why isnt he staring intently making noises like an ape does in the wild when you come into the territory?
 
My analogy still holds up beautifully. There are many thousands of flying squirrels for each sasquatch, and you still haven't seen one in the wild. The reason most folks don't is because they are nocturnal, and is less active in the winter.

But you still don't get it. I have seen flying squirrels, and so have many many other people, including yourself, and so have many many other people killed, stuffed, photographed and even eaten them. Even if there are thousands or even millions of flying squirrels for every sasquatch, the fact remains that in all the years of human history, not one single specimen of sasquatch has been captured or killed or clearly photographed by anybody. Whether or not some individual has gotten one is irrelevant.

Assume a thousand years of no confirmed squatch samples. If flying squirrels are only 1000 times more common than squatches, then we would expect that among the entire population of earth, reliable and confirmed flying squirrel evidence would occur less than once every year, and that within the last thousand years we would have accumulated, on earth, fewer than 1000 discrete photographs and flying squirrel carcasses. If squatches were a million times more rare than flying squirrels, the fact that not one single good example has been found in the last thousand years is still at the very outer limits of probability. That's a very rare beast indeed, and if so rare, the unconfirmed and unscientific sightings are way out of proportion!
 
He'd gotten the goods, and they weren't good enough, for science (despite their "a photo would be good enough" b******t) or for people like you.

Exactly Fudd not good enough for .........Non-Bleevers. If on the other hand Bleeving gives you a warm fuzzy,wuzzy feeling down in your blood pump than yes the PGF is good enough

No, they didn't "buy it". Science was teased a little, but what "they" want is the carcass. They won't spend money on it themselves, they won't bother seeking grants, etc. They want the Roger Pattersons of the world to deliver it to their lecture rooms.

WAAAAAAAHH Science won't look into our ludicrous Bleef WAAAAAAHH!! They won't Bleev in something with only vague,ambiguous evidence WAAAAAAHHH!!
They just don't care enough...WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

Cry me a river Fudd

"Take it to the next level."

Kill it. Kill it so Horny can "accept" the situation, and so science has their slab of meat to dissect.

Yeah, right............

No Fudley, kill it so rank and file Bigfoot Fan can stop looking like braying gullible jackasses.

Footers need to stop with the unknown primate hairs,the to easy to fake footprints,the arse impressions,the samurai mumblings,the yodels in the dead of night and most of all STOP insisting that the PGF shows anything other than a guy in silly suit. Just kill us a Hairy Biped already and this whole debate ceases to be.

Until then? Well the beatings will continue until logic improves.




If you think it's so easy, why don't you go give it a try.

In fact, go out there and "catch" a bear (without a guide).

Show us how easy it is.

Those things just aren't on my to do list,nor on my "Need" to do list for that matter. The onus is on Bigfoot Fan to get the goods,not me. It's been 50 years and they have a gigantic pile of not freeking much. They need to stop belaboring the midtarsal break's and compliant gait theories and hit the woods with dartguns or hunting rifles and bring this thing to a close. Although,I would advance the notion that it's not Bigfoots existence thats important to Hairy Biped Fan, no...more importantly it's the thought of Bigfoot's existence that really matters.



Almost zip. Just like mine.

You know why I'm not hunting for them?

Because I don't have the time and the money, nobody is going to give me either, and I know how hard it is to catch a bear, even with all the information and knowledge I have about them.

Same with moose. We have twice as many moose in Alaska as bears. We see moose all the time.

You know what the state success rate for moose hunters in Alaska averages?

Less than 25%.

Now divide those chances by 1,000,000 (that's a guess; it might be 10,000,000 and it might be 100,000,000).

There are your chances.



I've done it. You haven't.


Fudd,you have no idea how many Hairy Bipeds are out there. You're guessing. We are a talking an 8ft 900lb creature that stinks like the shythouse door on a tuna boat. It screams and yells at the top of it's lungs at all hours of the night,talks in drunken samurai,rolls in the mudd for apples and leaves it's footprints from sea to shining sea.

It has been seen in every single state of the continental US. Not to mention Canada,Australia,Tibet (and surrounding environs),Russia,South America, and Eastern Europe...How rare is this thing again?

Like I said you're speculating based on "sighting" patterns. Sightings that are either out and out lies, misidentifications,or hallucinations. Your "Scarce" as frog hair take is basically based on Bullshyte. So spare me the Rocky the squirrel analogies and Hairy Bipeds are rare takes.

Bigfoot is rare for one reason because Bigfoot Fan NEEDS him to be. It helps them maintain the fantasy they've created for themselves.
 
Sorry Huntster, but I haven't been studying scat, I have been studying footprints.

Had there been lots of samples and photos of purported sasquatch scat, I would have been studying scat as well.
 
Oh puh-leeze! We're on page 97 here, and you can say that?

Yes. If I thought the subject was worthless, I certainly would not use my time on it. There are several more long threads here, as well.

I have taken the subject seriously, even in the face of believers who have behaved badly in my opinion. I never stooped to their level as far as I know.
 
...the bleever will say those two pile of crap are bigfoot crap, estimate the population number, says it comes from 5 different specy, the bigfoot is 27 year old and has had 3 kids and it is a female with a black fur color, with white spot under the arm pit.

The skeptic or scientific, will take a sample, send it to a DNA labor, and ask whether this is bear or primate crap, and will limit the speculation at that.

Well, in accordance with your definitions of "bleever" and "skeptic, or scientific", I appear to be neither.

Since the place where these piles of crap were found is literally infested with both black and grizzly bears, the cabins of the homesteaders are regularly raided by bears, and DNA testing costs real money, I simply assumed it was bear crap.

Where do bears crap, Mr. Skeptic/Scientist?
 
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