Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Correa Neto]

Meganthropus had mid tarsal breaks?

 

[Belz...]

Wow... this thread still exists.

I'd post some kittens but I think we're too far gone, here.

 

[kitakaze]

The real problems with tropical rainforests IMHO are the blood-sucking bugs. Clouds of several species of mosquitoes, flights of mutucas (look like a cross between a fly and a moth) and hordes of ticks. A torture. You have to stay all the time greased with mosquito repellant. And use shirts with long sleeves, despite the heat. The mix of sweat and repellant can be icky.

Spiders can also be a pain,and you must get used to the routine of checking you boots for the regular crab spider...

OK, maybe I won't go to bed.

Meganthropus had mid tarsal breaks?

Funny, so do my slippers.

 

[kitakaze]

Wow... this thread still exists.

Such a pain, I'm sure.

I'd post some kittens but I think we're too far gone, here.

Thanks. Tell you what, though. We'll PM you with the first irrefutable evidence of BF we get and then we can, you know, negate the thread.

 

[Correa Neto]

That's the reason I think the "bigfeet are Meganthropus" idea is not so pupolar among footers. Too much investiment on mid tarsal breaks...

 

[kitakaze]

That's the reason I think the "bigfeet are Meganthropus" idea is not so pupolar among footers. Too much investiment on mid tarsal breaks...

Anyone who uses the words 'midtarsal break' in an attempt to give credibility to BF is most certainly talking out their bottom. Until such a creature as BF is discovered any assertations on its morphology are a pathetic attempt to garner credibility to the one making the assertations.

 

[Correa Neto]

Tell this to certain footers...

They will say its a conclusion based on actual footprints... And if you start questioning the footprints and their interpretations you'll have the standard answers: arguments from authorities and weak arguments on why the footprints are not fakeries (example-> yes, he faked some, but it doesn't mean he faked the others) or misinterpretations. Oh, you will also be called a close-minded scoffic.

 

[RayG]

God I miss BC.

I only lived there five years (Queen Charlotte Islands), but I'd love to go back.

While there, got to spend some time in Victoria on course, and I loved that too. If I could choose anyplace in Canada to live, it would be Victoria. My second choice would be anywhere else in BC.

RayG

 

[Metullus]

Not to mention a whole lotta ugly, lately. (sorry Huntster, couldn't resist the set-up.)You're a trooper Metullus, I have no problem with snakes, a garbage can full of 'em is another story. Not much in the way of snakes here in Tokyo but tsuyu (monsoon) is coming which gets us big yucky toads all over the place to mix it up with the monster rats and cockroaches. God I miss BC.

I've collected Trimeresurus elegans and Agkistrodon blomboffi (Mamushi) in Japan, but not in Tokyo. Monsoon is good snake huntin' time, no?

 

[Huntster]

Ya wha? I always thought that was Krantz. Cuz' I mean, come on now...really.

Well, okay. Maybe Krantz and I could compete well in an ugly contest.

I'd predict a split vote from the judging table.

 

[Huntster]

The real problems with tropical rainforests IMHO are the blood-sucking bugs. Clouds of several species of mosquitoes,........

Arctic mosquitos:

...Where on Earth does one find the heaviest concentration of mosquitoes? A tropical jungle? A hot festering swamp? Wrong. Experts say it's the Arctic tundra - mosquitoes can appear in swarms so thick they can turn the sky gray....

It literally defies my powers of written description. It must be experienced to be believed.

The clouds of mosquitoes are so thick, breathing without filling your lungs becomes a concern.

 

[Metullus]

Arctic mosquitos:



It literally defies my powers of written description. It must be experienced to be believed.

The clouds of mosquitoes are so thick, breathing without filling your lungs becomes a concern.

In my long ago youth I spent a summer working at Prudoe Bay. The mosquitos that roamed the tundra could pick up small children and powertools. Three of them could suck you dry. Nowhere else on Earth have I seen the like.

Okay, so maybe I have exagerrated a teensy bit abot their size, but Hunster is right, the mosquitos there are gawd-awful and unmatched, in my experience, anywhere.

 

[tube]

I remember years back, the first time I saw Krantz. He was appearing in some BF documentary and trying to emulate the infamous Patty turn in an attempt to illustrate the unlikeliness of it being a man in a suit. If that wasn't evidence for a big, weird, hairy, bipedal primate, I don't know what is. Bless the old codger.

This is very interesting to me, as I remember the same TV program, but I have never seen a reference to this program elsewhere. Because you remember it too, I'm less inclined to believe it may have been a false memory on my part.

Among certain Bigfooters there is a strongly held belief that the gait of the film subject is "inimitable", that certain features like the "Level Lower Leg Lift" could not be duplicated by a walking man. I have personally duplicated this feature.

I'm still planning on doing some videotape studies to see how well a man can duplicate the whole "Patty Walk". My belief is that I can, but I acknowledge I could be wrong, sort of like believing you can sing well right up until the time you hear a recording of yourself.

My memory was that Krantz did an unwittingly good imitation of the "Patty Walk", but I don't trust my memory on this due to time and potential bias. Does anyone else remember this TV broadcast? Can you shed light on when it might have aired or if it is available for sale anywhere? I regret never having met Grover Krantz.

 

[LTC8K6]

April 15th on Animal Planet at 8 & 11, Jeff Corwin will be doing a show on the Yeti. Apparently, Corwin claims to have seen a 400 pound one on this expedition.

Jeff Corwin's Quest: Realm of the Yeti

I'll be watching, even though this is really just part of the publicity campaign for Disney's Expedition Everest ride.

 

[JohnH]

Back to PG Film. - The Death of the Mid Tarsal Break theory



The Mid Tarsal Break is really, as Meldrum explains to me on phone, the Mid-Tarsal JOINT, and it is his idea that Bigfoot puts it foot down, like an ostrich,
in a flat style, and not with the heel first, as normal humans do.

HOWEVER, a search of PG Film frames (what this forum is about, right?)
shows that frame 295, frame 307 and frame 318, all show THE HEEL
GOING IN FIRST. Hence, no flat-foot Bigfoot. The Laverty track on Meldrum's
site shows just what we all do on the beach, the heel goes in first, then the
body rocks over the center, lifts the heel and presses in the forefoot (I call it the ball), for the lift-off.

What does this mean for research? (John Green tends to agree, having looked at the same frames in his collection - I called him after Meldrum
-email sucks ) ? It means that momentum no longer is a factor for calc. weight and based on certain tests done at Bluff creek at the time, it looks
as if Patty weighs in tons, not mere pounds. We can now TEST this with
a trailer wheel and a water tank in the trailer, using cobblestones, or
aluminum copies of Patty's ball of the foot strapped on, running the trailer
thru sand, gravel, dirt, top soil, loam, clay, silt, etc, to see HOW DEEP
each ball goes with various weights (of water in tank).

We can now do actual realistic weight tests!!! Based on depth.

Look over various BF websites, and a few will soon have the three PG Film frames up in a "Mid-tarsal Break Debunked" website page. Look for it under Google. "MID TARSAL BREAK" -- kEYWORD. Wait a few days for the Google-bot to note it.

Johnny boy

 

[JohnH]

Making human in suit film like PG Film

quote:I'm still planning on doing some videotape studies to see how well a man can duplicate the whole "Patty Walk". My belief is that I can, but I acknowledge I could be wrong, sort of like believing you can sing well right up until the time you hear a recording of yourself.

reply: this was done in 1982, by the Trinity River, using a Patterson type
camera, same film,and a 6'7 inch subject who was about 300 lbs. Using
rented gorilla suit.

Not even close!

Meldrum and Green have copies of this

Johnnyboy

 

[LTC8K6]

It has been blindingly obvious for years that Patty walks heel-toe just like a human. No way do I believe Meldrum was ever unaware of this.

Patty is taking short heel-toe strides right off the bat.

Same frame sans artificial zoom.

 

[LTC8K6]

What does this mean for research? (John Green tends to agree, having looked at the same frames in his collection - I called him after Meldrum
-email sucks ) ? It means that momentum no longer is a factor for calc. weight and based on certain tests done at Bluff creek at the time, it looks
as if Patty weighs in tons, not mere pounds. We can now TEST this with
a trailer wheel and a water tank in the trailer, using cobblestones, or
aluminum copies of Patty's ball of the foot strapped on, running the trailer
thru sand, gravel, dirt, top soil, loam, clay, silt, etc, to see HOW DEEP
each ball goes with various weights (of water in tank).

This is utterly ridiculous. You sure you aren't related to a guy named Eric?

 

[Huntster]

I've never been much for this debate, and haven't commented on it. At this point in the mystery, I think it's irrelevant, but I appreciate the work of those who have studied it (because, if it can be proven to exist, it proves the existence of the creature); EXCEPT:

I tire of the use of the mid tarsal debate as a tool to destroy:

1) Research into this phenomenon, and

2) Those who have worked to study the issue.

That said:

The Mid Tarsal Break is really, as Meldrum explains to me on phone, the Mid-Tarsal JOINT, and it is his idea that Bigfoot puts it foot down, like an ostrich,
in a flat style, and not with the heel first, as normal humans do.....

With absolutely no qualifications (Joe Sixpack, and an admirer of Dr. Meldrum), I find that hard to believe. Dr. Meldrum specializes in primate locomotion, so I have to respect his opinion, but I'll wait for his words before committing to disagree.

...What does this mean for research?...It means that momentum no longer is a factor for calc. weight and based on certain tests done at Bluff creek at the time, it looks as if Patty weighs in tons, not mere pounds. We can now TEST this with a trailer wheel and a water tank in the trailer, using cobblestones, or aluminum copies of Patty's ball of the foot strapped on, running the trailer thru sand, gravel, dirt, top soil, loam, clay, silt, etc, to see HOW DEEP each ball goes with various weights (of water in tank).

We can now do actual realistic weight tests!!! Based on depth.....

Sorry. I'm not buying that experiment.

I'd advise caution and patience before investing too much money and time in that work.

 

[kitakaze]

This is utterly ridiculous. You sure you aren't related to a guy named Eric?

Oh man, was I ever thinking the same thing! The breathless exclamations, the smiley abuse, it's so...Cedripesque.