Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Did anybody else here try Googling for "midtarsal break" ?

And then try again for <midtarsal break" -meldrum> ?

Conclusion?
I find it quite sad when googling to try and find descriptions of ape feet, (in particular to try and find out just how flexible and where the flexion points actually are) to keep finding squatch references and in particular the very same mid-tarsal break info relating to Meldrum. Maybe I need to find some different ways of putting my google querys to avoid them.

ltc8k6 quoted said:
In the Patterson-Gimlin film, the feet of the film subject correlate with the kinematics inferred from the footprints, in that a midtarsal break is present.
People really think they can see the flexible foot in the PGF? Well I suppose it shouldn't surprise me, considering that that is what they need to see to prop up the mid-tarsal break theory. If you consider that "pressure ridges" like that seen in the laverty photo can be produced by a rigid arched human walking barefoot through damp sand (and even when wearing flat bottomed shoes), is the insistance on a mid-tarsal break anything more than an attempt to justify the misclassification of bear tracks? Or an attempt to save face? Anyone who has walked on a beach would recognise that a mid-tarsal break wasn't required to make that print.

Then there are all those prints that don't show a pressure ridge, could it be that a flexible foot is actually required to produce those wierd fake-looking flat bottomed prints. Perhaps in order to stop the pressure ridge forming you actually need flexible feet. This baseless speculation game is fun. :D
 
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Patty shows no sign of any midtarsal break that I can see.

Can someone point me to a frame or clip of PGF that shows this?

I think there was a clip on the BFF thread where Meldrum was posting that "showed" 'dorsiflexion of the subjects toes.' But then even if that were the case, I can make my toes exhibit dorsiflexion so umm...big deal.
 
There are almost no sasquatch prints that show a midtarsal break, which makes Meldrum's position all the more odd to me.

Take out the bear tracks, and I believe you have one print left, the one in the Laverty photo. Which is obviously fake to me.
 
....Huntster (who will likely return, and soon) is also the same religious creduloid who mindlessly follows the dogma of the RCC and believes he has no authority to question the beliefs fed him by the church.....

Yeah, I'll return from time to time. I just needed a couple of days fishing; for fish.

Looks like you're fishing, too. Too bad it's not for fish.

And, yeah, that's me; the religious "creduloid", who mindfully follows the dogma of the RCC, and knows full well that he has no authority to question the teachings which he has sought from the church.

...As for Lu - well, she lives in NC. Need I say more?....

Sure. Say some more.

Like, what does living in NC have to do with anything?

Where do you live?

Does that say something?
 
....Yes, admitted hoaxes are not tolerated in the least. The credibility of the 'hoaxer', like Robo or Dfoot, is forever tarnished. This doesn't seem to happen with other hoaxers like Freeman or Marx, whose contributions are still used as supportive evidence by some in the bigfoot camp.....

It matters to me.
 
Do you not know the difference between a web site and a web page?

Having created both, the difference is easily explained.

webpage - a single HTML file containing optional text, images, links, tables, or other coding associated with HTML.

website - a grouping of HTML files containing optional text, images, links, tables, or other coding associated with HTML, usually with a common theme. (also known as webpages).

In this instance, when Dr. Meldrum refers to his webpage, he is referencing a single page of a website that has been assigned to him by Idaho State University.

Dr. Meldrum's website can be found here.
http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/ which is part of the Idaho State University website http://www.isu.edu/

His individual webpages can be found here:
http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/Primate.html
http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html
http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/paleo.html
http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/crypto.html

Regardless of whether it's the ~meldd site or an individual page, they've been assigned to Dr. Meldrum and it's HIS information contained on them.

I suspect what you really mean is whether or not Dr. Meldrum maintains (updates, etc.) the webpage or collection of webpages (website), and I don't believe that was ever the issue.

RayG
 
Yeah, I'll return from time to time. I just needed a couple of days fishing; for fish.

Looks like you're fishing, too. Too bad it's not for fish.

And, yeah, that's me; the religious "creduloid", who mindfully follows the dogma of the RCC, and knows full well that he has no authority to question the teachings which he has sought from the church.

Game, set, match.

You're brainwashed. And you just admitted it.

Sure. Say some more.

Like, what does living in NC have to do with anything?

Where do you live?

Does that say something?

Anyone who's spent time in NC and isn't already a creduloid knows that North Carolina seems to attract people who accept dogma first and push critical thinking to the back of the pack. I lived there (not by choice) for four years (Ft. Bragg - military) - and with the exception of the military guys I worked with, almost everyone I've met in NC has been, without a doubt, a mindless creduloid. Every form of religious nonsense is accepted as law; new and unusual ideas are rejected automatically. Woo rules the roost there; everyone's neighbor is a psychic, and everyone's dated a real vampire before. Etc, etc, etc. I could go on and on...

It was a very ugly four years for someone who was just learning to be skeptic of the world around them.

Hunt, you'd fit in so nicely there.

That's not to say that EVERYONE in NC is like that - but in the eleven counties I spent any time in, almost every native I met was exactly like that.

And the vast majority of them believe in Bigfoot, alien abductions, the second Coming of Christ, and the infallibility of Sylvia Brown, et. al. You can also, apparently, marry your first cousins legally in North Carolina.

As for where I live - Ohio - I don't know much about the people from the state in general; I know a handful of people in Cincinnati, and I can tell you a few things about the natives: they have no taste in food (they think 'chili' is a dish with cinnamon poured over spaghetti), very Canadian taste in clothing (flannel shirts are ALWAYS in), and an absurd apathy about most issues that people go 'up in arms' over. But neither skeptic nor woo seems to dominate; rather, the predominant attitude is one of endlessly seeking drama.

You wouldn't fit in too well here, though, Hunt - most folks here actively question the religious dogma the church tries to feed them, and realize that the RCC is nothing but a vast political organization founded by humans and run by humans - and as corrupt as any other organization on Earth.

Do you question the policies and decisions of your government? If so, why don't you question the policies and decisions of your religion? If not, you're a creduloid - plain and simple.

But we knew that already.

Did you catch any fish? I freed a dozen people in the time you were away, by the way. You may be a fisher of men, but I'm a freer of minds.
 
I always wonder why the Bigfoot/Sasquach/Yeti populations never leave evidence of their births, deaths, occupied ranges or feces.
Unless, of course, no such animal exists :-)
 
If only Meldrum would realize that and stop inventing all sorts of traits for an as yet imaginary foot....

I found Dr. Meldrum's posted image of chimp/lowland gorilla/mtn gorilla/sasquatch feet on the BFF somewhat surprising as there seems to be no difference between the squatch foot and that of a human.

Partly because of that, I was prompted to ask him..."how is it possible to transfer your expertise in primate feet to an undiscovered, uncatalogued, unknown species? Isn't it all [bone details/reconstruction, degree of flexion, midtarsal flexibility, etc.] a good guesstimate at best?"

I guess I fail to see where his speculation is any more valid than somone else's.

RayG
 
Yep. Did to me at first glance too, but note the width and the toe length.

Toe length? My wife has made numerous complaints about my ugly feet, so I just grabbed a ruler and stuck it between my first toe and the big one. My big toe ends up measuring 2 and one-quarter inches in length, and the first toe next to it measures slightly less than that. My middle toe measures one and one-half inches in length. Fugly eet I tell ya.

RayG
 

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