Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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LTC8K6 said:
So, if we believe Titmus, then P/G tracked what exactly for 3+ miles, and how did they get their horses to stay calm either in the area or when tracking right past a big stinky seated Patty?

Then again, did they track Patty on foot, or on horseback? If on horseback, how did the horses get over their fear of Patty?
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I never understood about the horses being spooked.
They were in the area ( where a family of Bigfoots presumably resided ) for a couple of weeks...
 
If Patty was squatting by the creek, I would have checked out that spot thoroughly and filmed that spot for sure.

Gimlin makes reference to Patterson carrying a still camera, yet they apparently took no stills of the prints.

Stills of where Patty squatted, stood up, and turned could have been convincing, especially if they revealed something about Patty's feet or the motion, etc.

The pictures would have been of the fresh tracks too, before the rain. They'd have been much better than using the movie camera's precious film.
 
W: Then what?

B: After chasing them up and down the road for a little while and finally catching them, well we talked it over and I said I'd check around and see if maybe that I could find some tracks where she had come into this area and possibly sight the other one, so I took the camera
while he gathered up his stuff and ..
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It looks as if Gimlin never found where Patty came into the area either, or we'd have heard about it.
 
Correa Neto said:
For those who claim bigfeet are as real as giant squids...
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We don't know if "bigfeet are as real as giant squids".....yet.

We also don't know if bigfeet don't exist.........yet.

If sometime in the future they are ever "discovered", then we will know that today, 28 February 2006, bigfeet truly did exist.

We will also then know who knew it was true, who thought it was possible, who thought it was unlikely, and who argued passionately that they didn't exist.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Watched a NeoGeo Channel episode of Is It Real? last night that dealt with the Orang Pedek. Got me to thinking.

From a more abstract standpoint, are their primates other than orangutans that are solitary in nature, or are the rest all troop/group/pack oriented?
What are the ranges of these individuals/groups?
What is the minimum number of individuals needed for a sustainable population?
If they are solitary in nature, how do they find each other when it is time to mate?

Given the answers to their questions, does it make sense from a biological standpoint for a big/little-foot to exist in the manner the evidence presented suggests?
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You might be interested in Dr. John Bindernagle's book on the subject; he addresses it from just that perspective. (I was able to get it through the library with no trouble.)
 
Correa Neto said:
Bigfeet make bricks? Or that would be brickfeet? Look! I just coined an unknown North America Primate that Coleman is not aware of!:D
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I think you should jump in on this thread

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=14342&st=

with the formula and "double hinge" analogy while Meldrum is posting. This would be much easier and less time consuming than writing a paper or e-mailing him, IMO. This could be your chance to convince him Bigfoot feet are "improbable". It shouldn't take you any longer to post there than it does here. You could even copy and paste the old post from the dead thread.

I'll be looking for the reply.
 
Dfoot said:
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A strange thing about trying to investigate this scam is running into arguments that use quotes from people. LAL often cites "Krantz" or "Meldrum" or "Green" as if the fact that these gentlemen wrote down some bogus info in a book or article somehow makes it a fact one can use. Drawing bones on plaster has nothing to do with what made a fake print any more than drawing lines on a costume does.
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Those three have examined tracks in situ. One has been collecting information since the mid fifties and two, one a specialist in primate foot anatomy, thoroughly studied casts.

Is there something wrong with citing the opinions of people with expertise rather than, say, the opinions of people who have none, such as Greg Long, or of David Daegling, who has expertise but didn't bother to examine evidence before writing his book?
 
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Huntster said:
The act of seeking good cover, then stopping to watch intruders from that cover, is a behavior that I have seen repeatedly, and many times, by both brown bears and black bears. When encounters with bears weren't of the close, disturbing variety, I'd say that this behavior occurred nearly 90% of the time I encountered a bear in the woods, on the railroad tracks, or on lonely roads (not busy, active highways).
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Huntster, I'm not familiar with bears at all, do they ever exhibit 'stalking' behavior?

I ask this because I had an experience, late at night, many years ago, where something in the bush followed along as a friend and I strolled down a dark, deserted road. Whenever we stopped, it stopped, whenever we walked, it walked, This went on four or five times, and then whatever was making the noise, crossed the road and was now on the OTHER side, in the bush, behaving in the same manner. Some have suggested squatch behave this way, though I've never entertained that thought. I never got a firm answer about bears when I questioned some locals, do you think a bear would have crossed the road behind us like that? I haven't ruled out the possibility it was a couple humans playing us for a prank, but nobody ever came forward, and it was VERY dark.

RayG
 
Huntster, I'm not familiar with bears at all, do they ever exhibit 'stalking' behavior?
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One of the scariest home movies I ever saw is of a bear stalking a guy. Can't remember what channel it was on, but I can still see the movie in my mind. The guy tries just about everything you can think of to get the bear to back off, to no avail. The bear eventually gives up, but the encounter lasted a long time and the guy was exhausted.
 
LAL said:
I think you should jump in on this thread

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=14342&st=

with the formula and "double hinge" analogy while Meldrum is posting. This would be much easier and less time consuming than writing a paper or e-mailing him, IMO. This could be your chance to convince him Bigfoot feet are "improbable". It shouldn't take you any longer to post there than it does here. You could even copy and paste the old post from the dead thread.

I'll be looking for the reply.
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I see the paper Dr. Meldrum is presenting is dated 10/04..

That means it was published before Dr. Tube did his research that showed the ' pressure ridges ' associated with the mid-tarsal break, occur naturally in human footprints also, under certain conditions..


I trust his next paper will include this information...

I can't believe he put frames from PGF in that paper...:rolleyes:
 
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The Idaho print that looks suspiciously like the bossburg cripplefoot:

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