Bigfoot - serious, not follies

[Thurkon]

Were those the highlights?

Did you watch it at 1x ?

What about the ' R ' stuff ? Did the Bigfeet surprise some nekid wimmin at the creek, or some such ?

Well, it turns out that paleontologists' assistants are extremely hot, and like to bathe in streams naked in the middle of the forest…while Bigfoot watches. It’s pretty commonly known, that.

Also, it turns out Bigfeet are bloodthirsty killers…so in reality Harry would have probably torn the Hendersons into Squatch jerky. They prefer to kill rednecks and really dumb rangers.

 

[LTC8K6]

Sounds like a "Class A" report to me, Thurkon.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Will it never end?

I just discovered there is a testicle print in the Scookum cast !! That must have hurt !!

Now we know what the screams were all about...


http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=12192&st=240&#entry252689


I like the statement in the post immediately preceeding..

Maybe we are seeing a small change in the medias handling of B.F. Waiting for the facts to come out before blasting the phenomenon.

That's like saying " We'll give the man a fair trial before we hang him .. "

 

[Steve]

So I leave for 17 days vacation on page 23. We are now at page 38 and still going around in the same small circles with no evidence provided for BF existence...and now I see Mayday has joined in. Truly, all the signs of a deceased thread are in place. Time for recipes?

 

[edge]

I haven't read all this but I will.
I’m back in the gold fields and in big foot country.
Something is mutilating goats up here and seems to be leaving a mighty big foot print.
This county seems to be very active in the paranormal events



This is what I wrote in a another forum.
About the star charts.
Ask Betty Hill.
She drew them.
On to better stuff.
As soon as I wrote this my computer crashed.
The next night they “dark star” shows up on the ridge across the way. The night after it was on the opposite side of the valley. Boy they are good at what they do.
Woo Woo your ass.
I’m going to try to come up with the money to up grade my system and film these guys.
This is definitely one hell of a hot spot for sightings, and I don’t give a crap what you skeptics believe.
Seeing is knowing.
The dowsing thing is provable but I have to clear a spot that I can be tested on by the J.R.E.F. team and can only be done here after all the metals a extracted.
It can be done, I have tested the theory. I will have an area to do that at.
Dowsing for gold also picks up the other metals lying with it that is the revision....

 

[Spektator]

Edge, Betty Hill died some years back. If you could ask her about the star charts and get an answer, that might qualify for the challenge.

 

[tube]

Since this is a Bigfoot thread, we need to see if there was any connection between Betty Hill and Bigfoot. Lo and behold, there is! In Kewaunee Lapseritis' book The Psychic Sasquatch Kewaunee reprints a letter he got from Betty Hill. Betty recounts how she heard from another woman about a UFO landing on a hilltop. The unnamed woman witnessed a Bigfoot type creature step out of the UFO, leave just one footprint, get back in the craft and depart. The woman made a plaster cast of this footprint, and advised Betty Hill of her adventure. Betty Hill then advised the woman that she should make another cast of the impression, this time using candle wax. According to Betty Hill, this was successful.

I'm sure most skeptics would dismiss this story out of hand as a "whopper" and I can understand why. But I dismiss this story for a different reason; IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CAST A TRACK TWICE. A cement cast ALWAYS causes adhesion between the substrate and the cement. The track is always damaged, usually beyond recognition.

OK, I'm off the soapbox, now back to Bigfoot please...

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I was really hoping the testicle print would give this thread some new life..


I'm trying to imagine how it was made, when this is supposed to be how the Skookum print was made..

This must be one hung dude...

 

[LTC8K6]

Brass balls?

 

[Tricky]

I haven't read all this but I will.
I’m back in the gold fields and in big foot country.
Something is mutilating goats up here and seems to be leaving a mighty big foot print.
This county seems to be very active in the paranormal events.

Wherever you are, paranormal events seem to follow, Edge. Got any casts of that big footprint? Any evidence at all?

This is what I wrote in a another forum.
About the star charts.
Ask Betty Hill.
She drew them.

Bring her into the forum. I'm sure there will be no lack of questions.

As soon as I wrote this my computer crashed.
The next night they “dark star” shows up on the ridge across the way. The night after it was on the opposite side of the valley. Boy they are good at what they do.

What is a "dark star"? How do you recognize when one "shows up"? Did everybody in the area experience computer crashes?

Woo Woo your ass.
I’m going to try to come up with the money to up grade my system and film these guys.
This is definitely one hell of a hot spot for sightings, and I don’t give a crap what you skeptics believe.

Well, winning the million might fund your film career. Or perhaps you can find a rich vein of gold with your dowsing abilities. With woowooism, anything is possible.

And yeah, we know you don't give a crap what we believe. Neither do you give a crap about evidence.

Seeing is knowing.

No it's not. Both your eyes and your brain can be fooled. For some people, it is extremely easy to do so. Or perhaps you "know" that the magician was actually sawing the nice lady in half.

The dowsing thing is provable but I have to clear a spot that I can be tested on by the J.R.E.F. team and can only be done here after all the metals a extracted.

LOL. All the metals? What are you going to do, dig to the mantle? If you can't find gold when it is mere inches under your dowsing rod and covered only in a thin layer of porceline, what in the world makes you think you can find it buried deeply, surrounded by many other metallic compounds?

We've heard your excuses for your first failure, Edge. You said your power was working fine, which it did in the baseline test (when you knew where the gold was). Then it mysteriously vanished as soon as your knowledge of where the gold was vanished. After the test (several weeks after the test) you told us you lied when you said your power was working in the baseline test.

You are never going to find anything if you cannot see the blindingly obvious things right in front of your face.

[BIt can be done, I have tested the theory. I will have an area to do that at.
Dowsing for gold also picks up the other metals lying with it that is the revision.... [/B]

Uh huh. And where are you going to find an area that has just gold and no other metals?

Couldn't you just dowse any area first to get the background reading, then add the extra gold (hidden under cups) and see how the background reading has changed? You could if your talent worked. But alas, it doesn't. If it did, you would be rich now and you wouldn't have to worry about funds to upgrade your computer.

 

[LAL]

I see I didn't miss anything important by taking a couple of days off from looking at this thread. I'm sure no one will mind if I ignore the nonsense. I don't know why people would waste their time posting it; I don't have to waste mine answering it.

 

[LAL]

A lurking member sent me this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050812/ap_on_re_us/secret_waterfall

If the forests in Northern California are dense enough to hide a 400' waterfall, why not a new species?

 

[LAL]

I already addressed that here:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=8332&st=0&#entry198472
"I did some researching and found in Krantzs book Bigfoot Sasquatch Evidence that the settings on the Kodak k-100 had a setting og 16 and 24. Nothing in between. All the confusion on the speed Krantz said could of been that the 16 speed on the camera could of been smudged really bad and it looked like it said 18 instead of 16."



I already touched on that as well:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=8332&st=0&#entry180306
"Regarding the camera speed: Glickman reports that, according to the Kodak Archives, the speed tolerance of the film carrier subassembly in Patterson's camera was plus or minus 10%. If it was set at 16 fps, then the actual speed could have been anywhere between 14.4 fps and 17.6 fps."



Skeptics like to deal with facts whenever possible. To my knowledge, the specific camera used by Patterson that day has never been tested for 'jiggle analysis', or anything else for that matter.

RayG

You were way ahead of me.

The fact that he rented the camera explains some of it, I would think. If he'd owned it, it might have been available from the beginning.

 

[LAL]

So ' implying ' is a big no - no ?


You don't think Noll wishes to influence others, regarding Bigfoot ?


Do you ? ( want to influence people about Bigfoot )


Again, what does that say about all the crap at the BFRO website ?


Pot, meet kettle.....

Demonstrating something is influencing? The other members of the team couldn't disagree? The scientists who examined the came to the same conclusions, independently of the team.

Who are you to judge what's on the website? By what criteria do you determine what's "crap"?

Most of the site has nothing to do with Noll anyway and Noll is no longer with the BFRO, so how does your question make any sense at all?

 

[LAL]

Nothing dishonest about it. Similar tracks can still be found on the net, supposedly belonging to a bipedal creature dubbed 'Swamp Bigfoot'.

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/SwampMonster/
http://www.angelfire.com/la2/SwampMonster/web-eye-witness-tracks.jpg

or...the Honey Island Swamp Monster...

http://ucmmuseum.com/honeyislandswampmonster.htm
http://www.csicop.org/si/2001-07/i-files.html
http://honeyisland.americanmonsters.com/legend.html
http://jmichaelms.tripod.com/HIS/

RayG

The track photo was shown as a "typical" Bigfoot track. Alligator tracks aren't typical of Sasquatches. The Honey Island "monster" and swamp "monster" sound like Sasquatches with embellishments.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Demonstrating something is influencing? The other members of the team couldn't disagree? The scientists who examined the came to the same conclusions, independently of the team.

They didn't see it until they were shown.. Don't you understand how that works ?


Who are you to judge what's on the website? By what criteria do you determine what's "crap"?

My criteria is reasonable and rational. Saying that bigfoot has been observed mating and birthing is crap ..

Most of the site has nothing to do with Noll anyway and Noll is no longer with the BFRO, so how does your question make any sense at all?

The BFRO site is a primary source about the Skookum expedition, or didn't you notice?

If Noll doesn't want to be associated with BFRO, I'm sure he is free to do something about it..



So, how do you think the testicle print ended up in the Skookum cast?

I notice the illustration here doesn't include it..

Is the testicle print info a bonus in the book?

 

[LAL]

My error, Chilcutt said the ridges went up and down the length of the foot, of course.

Not the sides.

That strikes me as useless for dermal ridges, though.

Friction ridges running the length of the sole wouldn't be useful in helping to prevent side slippage in rough, often wet, slick terrain? Not all adaptations have to have a use in the first place. They tend to spread though a population if they're neutral or confer some advantage. Dermal ridges in primates are likely a leftover arboreal adaptation persisting in primates that spend most of their time on the ground.

 

[LAL]

The BFRO site is a primary source about the Skookum expedition, or didn't you notice?

And it's a small part of the total site, or didn't you notice? Did Noll have anything to do with reports of mating or birthing? Were these direct observations? By whom? Or is it a safe assumtion they mate and have young like any other mammal?

If Noll doesn't want to be associated with BFRO, I'm sure he is free to do something about it..

He left some time ago. The material concerning the cast is copyrighted by the BFRO, but he owns the cast.

 

[LAL]

This topic is completely new for me (Western Europe apparently is not very hospitable for Bigfoot and its modern lore: Father Christmas, ogres, Nessie, and werewolves clearly don't qualify). I have thus taken the colossal amount of time needed to read this thread in its entirety, plus the parallel one about the P-G film, plus related webpages.

Apparently sasquatch researchers face two vexing major issues since decades: lack of bodies or remains, and lack of feces.

Reasons for this absence of evidence are obvious:

• If no one has found a body or a skeleton it is evidently because, like one living and one extinct other species of primate (genus homo), sasquatches do bury their dead. Furthermore their considerable strentgh allow them to cover each tomb, individual or collective, with a big rock. As they manifestly lack tools to cut or carve stone, these rocks look like ordinary rocks.
  
• Lack of feces certainly has a roughly identical cause: they dig pit-toilets, covered with a rock. Alternatively, they may defecate only in rivers, a habit that could also jeopardize an easy finding of feces. But the digging skill they manifest in burying their dead tend to favor the first hypothesis.

Conclusion: in the search for hard evidences of Bigfoot's existence, no rock must be left unturned.

Thanks for taking the time to read the thread.

Taking your post seriously for a moment, voluminous piles of scat have been found. Eveidently there's no effort made to conceal them.

Large non prey animals that died of natural causes are seldom if ever found. Sick and dying animals find secure places to hide in an "attempt" to recover. When they don't, scavengers make quick work of the remains.

 

[Starrman]

LAL said;

If the forests in Northern California are dense enough to hide a 400' waterfall, why not a new species?

Well - it wasn't really hidden all those years, was it:

From the article:

There's no doubt the falls have had visitors over the years. The Wintu Indians were probably the first, although archeologists have so far found no traces on the site. A small band of loggers that harvested Douglas firs in the early 1950s left behind a choker cable and part of a bulldozer. A knife blade stuck in a nearby tree indicates that others have also made the trek.

And just how many search parties have gone out to look for this waterfall? From the article it says one guy went to look for it twice - on the second try he found it. How many TV shows and internet forums have been dedicated to proving this waterfall exists? Again - the difference here is that we have actually found the waterfall.

Thousands of eye witnesses, thousands of footprints, he can be baited with an apple - yet not a single specimen! This kills your case LAL - it doesn't help it.