bigfoot is real I have the proof

[madurobob]

What about hair ?
What about DNA is this not enough compeling evidence ?

Creakfreak, please.

If you had bigfoot DNA you would be on Leno tonight.

 

[LTC8K6]

What about my cans of beans?
What about my screwdriver?
Is this not compelling?

Just wait till I save up enough nickels get my new trickshot 85 megapixel bigfoot supershooter. You'll see that I'm telling the truth then!

 

[this charming man]

The mole parade what a sight !
Ill pass on being on leno thats not my style .

Ah..a Letterman guy; good call; he is better anyway.

 

[PetersCreek]

You did not prove anything PC...

I posted the methods and rationale upon which I based the conclusions I reached, subject to community review and critique. So far, you have utterly failed to provide a refutation any more substantive than "Nuh uh!" Your failure to see this is a deficiency is just one of the reasons I consider you an incompetent researcher.

...and yes someone on this forum did make the eyes come out without adding anything .

I asked "who?" and all you can provide is "someone"? Please name the name and post the link. I'll happily post a retraction if I'm satisfied they used a workflow substantially like the one you described. Remember, it should also account for the additional anomolies in the "enhanced" photo.

What makes you think I am an incompetent researcher at least I am researching thats more then I can say for this sorry government we have .

You have not yet demonstrated a minimal level of competence as a researcher. In fact, many of your posts clearly demonstrate that you really don't have a clue about how to conduct research. If you don't know what you're doing, you're not competent. Pointing out that someone else isn't doing as much or as well...whether it's true or not...does nothing to raise your level of competence. The fact that you don't see this as a deficiency is just one more reason I consider you an incompetent researcher.

No compelling evidence ?
What about hair ?
What about 6 sightings 2 of them face to face ?
What about a sound recording of one roaring ?
What about DNA is this not enough compeling evidence ?
Come on the mole act does not become you PC your smarter then that .

Why should anyone here consider your unsupported claims to be compelling evidence? That's just not good enough. It's not even close. You haven't submitted your evidence for analysis or peer review, nor have you provided any other means of verification. Your say-so just doesn't cut it. The fact that you don't see this as a deficiency is just one more reason I consider you an incompetent researcher.

But if you want to classify me as a mole, you go right ahead. It's no secret that I do, in fact, work for the government you seem to despise so much. So if you feel the need, go ahead and get your baseless accusations out in the open.

 

[Locknar]

I posted the methods and rationale upon which I based the conclusions I reached, subject to community review and critique.

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Dang it PC! You made every point I wanted to make, and said it better then I would have to boot. Nicely done.

 

[Apology]

What about my cans of beans?
What about my screwdriver?
Is this not compelling?

Just wait till I save up enough nickels get my new trickshot 85 megapixel bigfoot supershooter. You'll see that I'm telling the truth then!

Oh, was that your prototype for the bigfoot supershooter out in the garage? I'm real sorry, I thought it was a can of Cowboy Bob's Baked Beans so I poked a bunch of holes in it with a screwdriver. Boy is my face red And then some guy with a can fulla rocks came in and chased me into the back yard, true story.

 

[Ravenwood]

Here you go, CF...
http://www.adkoptics.com/en/
I have one of these coming in the mail for me to run some tests & evaluate before I start selling them. I predict that you will say that they are too expensive, but seeing has you think you can get such a high price for your bigfoot, you should have no trouble presenting evidence to an investor to fund your operation. No? I figured as much, investors, like skeptics, require hard evidence. I predict more excuses & posturing, instead of going out & producing evidence to settle the issue once & for all. You say that they are coming up to your house frequently, yet you are unable to get any decent evidence. You say that for a price you can take researchers out where they will see them, yet you are unable to take a clear picture. You will only produce a body if someone gives you an absurd amount of money first. Smells like Bravo Sierra, to me. The plural of anecdote is not data. Your actions & statements here have destroyed any credibility you might have had. I firmly believe that if you could have produced a body, you would have & been a hero the the BF community, as well as becoming famous for being the first guy to provide proof of this mystery critter. The fact that you have not done so, while claiming the ability to do so speaks volumes...There is no governmental cover up of bigfoot, & for that matter, no evidence of it existing in this day & age. That is how science works, it proves the existence of things, not the non-existence. By your reasoning, science should also be trying to disprove the existence of the Boconnon (after all, there are accounts of it in ancient beastiaries...)

Edited by chillzero: 

Moved to relevant thread

 

[Creekfreak]

Raven ive got an 118mm scope that will be video capable that puts this to shame .
Dont try and tell me about equipment Ive been doing this over 4 years .
I dont want to have to kill one but as you have stated my credibility was lost long ago even with the hard evidence I have .
The only way to prove this creature is real is to kill it this is not posturing just common sence .
If people where not so hard headed about what they beleave not to be real then this will not have to happen ..
I gave a picture of a real bigfoot but it wasent good enough so the next step is to take one down and end this.
No fame for me I will be gone and never be seen again I will not sit around after and be called a killer .
I will not do something like this unless there is a large amount of money waiting for the body that would be the only way .
Again I am not postureing I am being man enough to take the shot .

 

[Locknar]

Raven ive got an 118mm scope that will be video capable that puts this to shame .
Dont try and tell me about equipment Ive been doing this over 4 years .

4 years hardly makes you (or anyone) an expert.

I dont want to have to kill one but as you have stated my credibility was lost long ago even with the hard evidence I have .

What evidence is that? Photoshopped pictures? "Hair samples" of nothing? I am not trying to be a wise-guy...but you can not establish credibility using "evidence" that is non-credible. Even if you photo (for example) were 100% "the real thing", your mishandeling of it in terms of chain of custody alone renders it useless/non-credible.

The only way to prove this creature is real is to kill it this is not posturing just common sence .

I for one would never advocate this, as in all likelyhood you'll either kill a person or a bear.

There are LOTS of way's you could prove "BF"s existance...applying a sound scientific method to your "research" would be an excellent start, but a suggestion you resist.

Overall, for someone that claims "BF" enters their house and eats their canned beans, that feeds them bacon, that has found suspected "nesting" grounds, etc. I honestly don't see how collecting crediable proof is that difficult a challange.

If people where not so hard headed about what they beleave not to be real then this will not have to happen ..
I gave a picture of a real bigfoot but it wasent good enough so the next step is to take one down and end this.

Previously addressed, see above comments.

No fame for me I will be gone and never be seen again I will not sit around after and be called a killer .
I will not do something like this unless there is a large amount of money waiting for the body that would be the only way .
Again I am not postureing I am being man enough to take the shot .

If you actually had a "BF" body, it would be worth millions...almost like that IBW pic you claim to have.

Overall...you are asking a audience, that tends to be science based, to accept (your) "work"/claims; "work" that is not being done in scientific manner.

Continuing this course of action, your results no matter how accurate you feel they may be, will never be accepted. You will never be able to establish the credibility of results neccessary for acceptance.

 

[Creekfreak]

Lock there are no books on how to conduct bigfoot research we are wrighting them as we go .
I never claimed to be an expert but I am no novice at this ive spent countless hours of my time in the feild and doing my research on the internet as well .
I may not know it all but I damm sure know more then most just by the fact ive been face to face with it .
If you have some sure fire sugestions on how to go about conducting this type of research please feel free to offer them .
Untell then what you say to me helps in no way being insulting is not part of the research process in any book or feild .

 

[Ravenwood]

Amazing, You have no idea of the capabilities of that scope cam (neither do I, but that is why I am evaluating it. Funny how what real big game hunters use is not good enough for your purposes) You have a better set up, but cannot get a clear picture & after only 4 year, you know all there is about photography equipment, but still can't get a clear picture of something you have no trouble seeing. I hope your hunting methodology is better than your photography attempts, because there is a real chance of some innocent bystander getting hurt, seeing as you have a difficult time getting a clear picture, so a clear shot would be out of the question. Whether you are man enough to take the shot or not is not the question, but rather can you correctly ID the target & take the shot without becoming a hazard to anybody else in the area. That being said, seeing as you have not yet produced any evidence that this mythical biped exists, I predict we will simply get more excuses & hand waving. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or more simply, physical, verifiable evidence. You can continue to make all the excuses you wish, but it does not make your creature anymore real. Go on, prove me wrong, show the the scientific community how wrong they are. For a creature of this kind to maintain the numbers needed to maintain the species, don't you find it odd that the only halfway decent photos are one example over 50 years ago? Go ahead, show me I'm wrong...
You came here to make the claim you had proof, & it was debunked by Peter's Creek's analysis of your photo. He openly outlined his analysis & methodology, as well as carefully documented all of his steps. No one has been able to duplicate the effect you claim was done "by cranking up the blues", nor could you give a concise methodology to produce the artifact in your "enhanced" photo. Welcome to the world of critical thinking,
your word is not enough, the evidence must stand on it's own. And for the record, I'd like to make a prediction: We will not be seeing a body of this unknown biped from CF (I particularly like the part about how you "don't want to be called a killer" unless you know you are getting a lot of money...that alone speaks volumes)

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Lock there are no books on how to conduct bigfoot research we are wrighting them as we go .
I never claimed to be an expert but I am no novice at this ive spent countless hours of my time in the feild and doing my research on the internet as well .
I may not know it all but I damm sure know more then most just by the fact ive been face to face with it .
If you have some sure fire sugestions on how to go about conducting this type of research please feel free to offer them .
Untell then what you say to me helps in no way being insulting is not part of the research process in any book or feild .

There are ample resources on how to research/study/find animals that are believed to exist, but proof is required. Look at the efforts of biologists in Sumatra and the Amazon. You can easily learn what is needed to gather and document evidence that will hold up under scientific scrutiny.

 

[Locknar]

Lock there are no books on how to conduct bigfoot research we are wrighting them as we go .
I never claimed to be an expert but I am no novice at this ive spent countless hours of my time in the feild and doing my research on the internet as well .
I may not know it all but I damm sure know more then most just by the fact ive been face to face with it .
If you have some sure fire sugestions on how to go about conducting this type of research please feel free to offer them .
Untell then what you say to me helps in no way being insulting is not part of the research process in any book or feild .

There are LOTS of books, many available for FREE at your local library, that would cover "field research" in nature, or say books to help you establish a scientific protocol in terms of "evidence" handeling post collection.

Specific to your "BF" research, do you even keep a diary/log? No, not your My Space "Captain's Blog".

I mean a real notebook, hand written one...that notes things like time of day, temp, location, descriptoin of "findings" as you find them, camera settings, description of the surroundings/weather, etc? This would be the kind of thing that a real scientist/researcher would do...such notes help establish crediblity.

"Winging" it, thus lacking any credibility in terms of process, your results (no matter how accurate) will never be credible, never be accepted...except by maybe some in the "woo woo" community.

 

[Creekfreak]

Another word bender dont put words into my mouth that is the most common tactic of a sceptic your grasping becouse you have nothing to prove me worng .
No never said I was an expert at anything except my trade and that is not bigfoot hunting .
I have been seting myself up to get pics raven I have the scope now I am saveing for a cam to put on it .
It will be alot easyer just to go to the pawn shop and pick up a gun one shot to the head and all of you will be eating crow pie for a long time .
No postering just bam give me my money and I am gone .

 

[Creekfreak]

Real researchers would be knocking down my door for the insight I have into this creature so where are your so called real researchers ?
I did start a notebook lock a long time ago but I dont use it now .
Maybe when I am done proveing this creature I will wright down what ive learned for all but right now its a waist of my time .
Just as all of your so called researchers think its a waist of there time to research this creature why should I spoon feed them knowlage when they dont deserve it .

 

[Ravenwood]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060412094413.htm
A new species of bird & mouse found in the fething Phillipines jungle prompting all sorts of conservation effort & tons of research & yet we still have no proof of a 6'+ hairy hominid in Florida that is raiding people's pantries. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your methodology. If they can find a new species of a mouse in terrain so remote & dense, why can't you produce a clear picture (or even casts of tracks/print)of something at least human sized that comes into your yard. Those are real researchers. Provide real evidence & there will be tons of help & funding. Act like a spoiled child & all you will get is ridicule. As for the money, that's all it seems to be about to you. If what you claim is true, it would be one of the most groundbreaking scientific discoveries ever, yet all you want is your thirty pieces of silver, so you can go away. Again, how noble of you...

 

[Locknar]

Real researchers would be knocking down my door for the insight I have into this creature so where are your so called real researchers ?
I did start a notebook lock a long time ago but I dont use it now .
Maybe when I am done proveing this creature I will wright down what ive learned for all but right now its a waist of my time .
Just as all of your so called researchers think its a waist of there time to research this creature why should I spoon feed them knowlage when they dont deserve it .

Your conduct and comments have proven my point - QED

 

[Creekfreak]

All I have ever goten from the start was ridicule go read my thread at the bff and see for yourself how Ive been treated .
Do you really expect me not to be upset when I aproched that forum in a very nice way from the start ?
When I came here I expected it but not from so called researchers points of veiw you damm I am mad as hell .
Ive backed up everything Ive said from all angles no one has or ever will prove me worng becouse Ill tell you one last time I am telling you the truth .

 

[Maldon]

Well, creekfreak, I'm sorry to hear about your note-book.
You see, I actually do a lot of field-work (not looking for big apes, I'm an archaeologist), and let me give you a little insight into the demands of recording and documentation that I'm required to fulfill.

I have so far, on this one on-going project, filled out 160 hand-written pages, recording every step of action taken in the field, including all measurements and calculations.
I've taken 354 (clear!) digital photos and 172 B/W.
We've made 26 drawings ranging from scale 1/50 to 1/1.
I've written three excavation-reports and during this year we are going to publish our results for the third time.
All of the above have been done in three consecutive seasons.

Then your statement:

I did start a notebook lock a long time ago but I don't use it now .
Maybe when I am done proveing this creature I will wright down what ive learned for all but right now its a waist of my time .

Really paints a rather clear picture (another one) of the difference between science on international level, and whatever it is you are doing.

A lot of people on this forum work in some field of science, and I'm pretty sure that they all recognise the degree of documentation, that I've just described, from their own line of work.
So, as I'm sure you already know, we're not that easy to impress.

Now, I know very well that you don't have access the funds wee do, but if you should ever choose to listen to one single advise from any of us, regarding your "research", it would be: Start taking notes!
If you ever find anything, you'll need them.

Oh, and please don't start running around with a gun!
Seriously, man, it will end in tragedy.

 

[PetersCreek]

Lock there are no books on how to conduct bigfoot research we are wrighting them as we go .

Other than the subject of study, how is bigfoot research so much different than other fields? Seems to me that some reading about the work of Jane Goodall, Dian Fossey, and Birute Galdikas would provide invaluable insights for your research of a yet-unproven primate. If you're such a good researcher, why do you not know and see the value in this?

I never claimed to be an expert but I am no novice at this ive spent countless hours of my time in the feild and doing my research on the internet as well .

I'd be profoundly embarrassed if I'd spent countless hours in the field over the course of 4 years and had so little knowledge and expertise to show for it. You spout off about a lot of things like you think you really know what you're talking about but then you're easily proven wrong. In fact, your wrongness is often stunning. You demonstrate little-to-no functional understanding of research methods. You repeatedly demand that people prove you wrong when, as a supposed researcher, the onus is on you adequately support your claims. You don't even have a rudimentary grasp of photography, even though it would be critical to documenting the existence of Bigfoot. Finally, you dismiss the idea of documenting your observations...something every good researcher does...as a "waist" [sic] of your time.

And you wonder why people consider you an incompetent researcher? Your claimed behavior is most decidedly unresearch-like, to coin a word.