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That's really cool!
I'm curious as to why with all your experience in the out-of-doors and with wildlife, why you would give any credence at all to the Ketchum DNA soap opera.
Nearly 50 years kicking it outside (though without your level of expertise) tells me these blueberry bagel feeding scenarios and sooper seekrit (for some) Midwest pancake footies are a crock of hooey. Habituation = specimen.
So that's what I'd like to know, what you think there is to wait on?
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An appeal to authority, ABP, relies on one person claiming authority or rank over another. I am most certainly not making that claim, or anything like it. All I am submitting to you is that I know enough about the subject to show that I am not pulling baseless comments about tracks out of thin air when I say that it isn't beyond the whit of man to devise a half-convincing beginning and end to a hoaxed track.
Why you should even consider that a thing of controversy I can't begin to imagine. Could it be that it isn't the argument that you are so much interested in, as the person making the argument? You do have a habit of focussing undue attention on what I write.
I haven't commented on any of the supposed trackways at all. I have no view on them. I know nothing whatsoever about any of them. I haven't the first interest in who is supposed to have made which one when, using which stomper. I don't give tuppence for old footprint claims, or new ones for that matter, because they don't add a single tiny little thing to the question of the existence or otherwise of an unknown hominid. If they can be faked, which they can, then I assume that they are all faked.
I also don't give two hoots about "footers", and "bigfootery". I don't care if they are honest or dishonest, clumsy amateurs or brilliant scientists. I don't care about reputations, or who is making money, or anything of that sort. No, all I am interested in is seeing some verifiable evidence, and at the moment, the sum total of that is nil. Nothing. Nought. Zero. Nada.
The only fundamental difference between you and I on this subject is that I am (deleted to comply with mod request) ..........Oh, and quite a difference in the level of manners and respect I consider to be acceptable.
Mike
An appeal to authority, ABP, relies on one person claiming authority or rank over another. I am most certainly not making that claim, or anything like it. All I am submitting to you is that I know enough about the subject to show that I am not pulling baseless comments about tracks out of thin air when I say that it isn't beyond the whit of man to devise a half-convincing beginning and end to a hoaxed track.
Why you should even consider that a thing of controversy I can't begin to imagine. Could it be that it isn't the argument that you are so much interested in, as the person making the argument? You do have a habit of focussing undue attention on what I write.
I haven't commented on any of the supposed trackways at all. I have no view on them. I know nothing whatsoever about any of them. I haven't the first interest in who is supposed to have made which one when, using which stomper. I don't give tuppence for old footprint claims, or new ones for that matter, because they don't add a single tiny little thing to the question of the existence or otherwise of an unknown hominid. If they can be faked, which they can, then I assume that they are all faked.
I also don't give two hoots about "footers", and "bigfootery". I don't care if they are honest or dishonest, clumsy amateurs or brilliant scientists. I don't care about reputations, or who is making money, or anything of that sort. No, all I am interested in is seeing some verifiable evidence, and at the moment, the sum total of that is nil. Nothing. Nought. Zero. Nada.
The only fundamental difference between you and I on this subject is that I am (deleted to comply with mod request) ..........Oh, and quite a difference in the level of manners and respect I consider to be acceptable.
Mike
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I do not know if this is relevant to your situation, but I have noticed that folks romanticize things that allegedly occur in other countries or far away locations. For instance, Mormonism is a fast growing religion, but it gets a larger share of converts elsewhere, as if those converts romanticize up-state New York or Utah or America as part of the mystique of Mormonism.
Once I met a Scotsman and our conversation turned to Loch Ness, where he had lived. I asked about the Monster and he laughed and said "only you Yanks think anything, a monster, is there. We live there and don't believe."
I romanticized Africa, as a kid. Thinking of lions and rhinos and such. Never dawned on me that we have the most powerful land predator on earth, right here in the states, with the grizzly.
And the Bigfoot story intriqued me at first because it was located in the dark Pacific Northwest, and especially the exotic seeming British Columbia. When Bigfoot became a native of Texas, well---I lost my faith.
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and .... OH, FL, PA, NY, Ontario, MI, WI, MN, WV, VA, KY, NC, SC, MA, NH, CN, NJ, KS,MO, IL, IN, TN, GA, and also a native of every other place wacky people live !
I like this thread Bigfoot Follies.. it is reminding me of a Rockette show or something ? It apparently was started by someone that is no longer on the board.. I am going to go back and take a look at its history.
Okay.. that wasnt hard to see. It was started to point out the absurdity of the claims that are made of so called BF evidence ( written or other wise). Hence the follies..
That being the case certainly pointing out the absurdity of certain procedures and publicity regarding anything BF is fair game on this thread ?
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RedRatSnake
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I have met a few over the ponders since I started posting on BF forums and they do tend to have quite a different view then we do here, it can be hard to figure it out at times, I know I am having some difficulty at times.
When the BFRO was standing behind the reports of BF living down in Cape Cod, MA I knew something was not right, didn't take long to see what was going on and who was using the old BF myth for their own personal cash cow.
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Sure! Why you whine as if you were being picked on, yet are inviting questions.
The website says the game cam is on a trail. There are numerous other photos of the same thing: predators on game trails and game cams specifically mounted on game trails to take pictures of predators.
Unfortunately I do not have any game cam experience. Mostly I just shot them. Insofar as big cats too, like this one:
That one I tracked with the son of the Village Chief along an Amazon tributary, following a pig/tapier trail for a good half mile before he materialized suddenly, snatched the family dog in his jaws and raced up into the canopy with the dog squealing pathetically.
I don't disagree that predators are more versatile, using the canopy too. But my experiene is they use game trails for a variety of reasons.
It's nothing new to us having someone using the fallacy of the appeal to authority, which you also don't understand.
Wrong. It does not require that at all. The correct appeal to authority is that one is an expert, and that experts agree. If both of those conditions are not met then it is a fallacy.
We have people like Munns exploiting the fallacy, saying he could not produce the bigfoot suit with all his experience and therefore it must be real. Merdlum with his mid-tarsal break. Etc.
So hey, we have a tracker that makes all these statements about tracks that are so easily dismissed. We disagree on FAR more than just waiting on DNA studies to determine whether bigfoot exists.
But as per your whining, I'll put you on ignore despite inviting more questions. When someone whines about being picked on, yet invites questions - that's just too much game-playing for me.
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Are you guys finished seeing who can pee the highest up a tree?
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It doesnt appear that it will end yet !?
However, My guess is that someone might have or may be climbing the tree to to pee down it ? But I dont know anything really ?
I have. I'll leave it to others to make their own judgements. This thread has certainly helped me make mine.
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If all trackers had the same record as bigfoot trackers then no animal would have ever been tracked down.
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Then claiming that it's raining.
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The weather man is saying that the showers have ended .. and um.. only partly cloudy tomorrow !
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Hummm.....I wonder if any of the claims for tracking anything in the Amazon are true? I simply don't believe it. That's just some tacky looking stock photo. Now on the other hand, I've seen thousands of pics of Mike doing his thing in Africa. Photos are not reliable evidence if the subject of interest isn't present in the photo, isn't that what we say about blurry pics as far as bigfoot evidence is concerned? I don't see one single blurry caucasian man in that photo.
The tales keep getting taller and more elaborate, that's usually a sign of confabulation when talking to bigfoot witnesses. Yep, I think someone here is definitely a hoaxer.
The tales keep getting taller and more elaborate, that's usually a sign of confabulation when talking to bigfoot witnesses. Yep, I think someone here is definitely a hoaxer.
RedRatSnake
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In some sort of attempt to get back on topic, though... Does anyone have any news regarding the "Erikson Project?" What happened with that? I posted about it last week but hadn't been on since and can't remember where I posted.
I'm obviously not expecting any new developments, mind you.
I'm obviously not expecting any new developments, mind you.
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Several posts have been dumped to Abandon All Hope yet again. Please, folks, stick to the topic of the thread (which is not each other), be civil, address the argument rather than attacking the arguer, and do not import arguments from other threads or other forums.
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What the hell is the topic of this thread?
The OP looks like this...
What the hell is that? What is the topic of this thread? I demand an explanation and a doctrine to move forwards. I want a wax seal and pirate talk.
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