Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[WGBH]

I think you are a liar. You lied then and you are lying now.

Vort, as you can see people here have called me a liar and right here in this thread.

 

[kitakaze]

Vort, as you can see people here have called me a liar and right here in this thread.

A single person whose statement was isolated. No one who was seriously examining your claimed Bigfoot sighting such as Vort or myself called you a liar. Getting defensive about thinking people are calling you a liar is neither necessary nor constructive. I simply stated that while I don't know what you did or didn't see, I am quite sure you didn't see Bigfoot in 1982 in North Carolina given that there is not now nor ever was any Bigfoots there to be seen. Bigfoot is not a real animal and therefore you can not see a real Bigfoot.

 

[Vortigern99]

Everything YOU know. I am quite sure that there are members of Fish & Game who have seen things that simply do not fit into known zoology.

Would you care to support this contention with evidence? A link? A quote? Anything apart from your mistaken, unsupported, unsupportable, uneducated, foot-in-mouth assertions time and time and time again?

 

[GT/CS]

Would you care to support this contention with evidence? A link? A quote? Anything apart from your mistaken, unsupported, unsupportable, uneducated, foot-in-mouth assertions time and time and time again?

He still has another week in time out.

 

[Vortigern99]

Vort, as you can see people here have called me a liar and right here in this thread.

I stand corrected. Allow me to amend the statement:

No one but tsig has called you a liar.

You're still not addressing the probability that dream-state hallucination -- a known and documented phenomenon whose characteristics match your experience on a one-to-one basis -- is at the root of your sighting.

 

[HarryHenderson]

This could certainly be mis-identified as a bigfoot. Wait for the 2nd half of the video. Absolutely amazing.
BTW, the mosquito is part of the video; it's not buzzing your head.

The Bigfoot Breakthroughs™ just never seem to stop here at 'TINBYDSOB Central'. Once again someone has single-handedly reversed 50+ years of Bigfoot 'speculation' with a simple example of 'something-that-it's-a-lot-more-likely-to-be-than-a-real-live-Bigfoot'. I'm guessin' 3 legged bears are pretty rare, but they're obviously more abundant than Bigfoot given that just this one video is more 'conclusive evidence' of something than the entire to-date collection of 'Bigfoot evidence'. I so wanna say 'mystery solved'.

...There is not now nor ever was any Bigfoots there to be seen. Bigfoot is not a real animal and therefore you can not see a real Bigfoot.

So yer sayin' there's still a chance?

Actually, a signature worthy (and vital) factoid.

 

[154]

Bigfoot is not a real animal and therefore you can not see a real Bigfoot.

It is. I did.

Driving slowly along a washboard dirt road at 11pm, I saw it step out from the brush on the left, walk across right in front of me, fully illuminated at the the leading edge of the "hotspot" of my headlights, and duck into the cover on the right side.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Hey Chewbacca's real! Here's photographic proof of him throwing a baseball:

I'm pulling your leg! I don't believe in Bigfoot, just the truck!

 

[rockinkt]

It is. I did.

Driving slowly along a washboard dirt road at 11pm, I saw it step out from the brush on the left, walk across right in front of me, fully illuminated at the the leading edge of the "hotspot" of my headlights, and duck into the cover on the right side.

Any details as to what you did to substantiate your alleged sighting?

 

[Vortigern99]

It is. I did.

Driving slowly along a washboard dirt road at 11pm, I saw it step out from the brush on the left, walk across right in front of me, fully illuminated at the the leading edge of the "hotspot" of my headlights, and duck into the cover on the right side.

There are many possibilities to consider before we arrive at the conclusion that that you saw an undiscovered, bipedal North American primate that requires 8000+ calories a day to survive but has never been catalogued, captured or unambiguously photographed, despite the forests of this continent being combed over on a daily basis by biologists, wildlife researchers, hunters, hikers, campers, birdwatchers, state and federal employees, and people actively looking for "bigfoot".

Here are some other possibilities you might want to consider first:

A hunter in a gilly suit:

An intentional hoaxer in a costume:

A bear up on two feet:

A hallucination, which is a known, studied and documented phenomenon of the human mind, which sometimes occurs in situations precisely like you've described: driving on a lonely road late at night. (There are several examples of this in the preceding pages of this thread.)

Hypnagogia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_hallucination

These hallucinations occur just before falling asleep, and affect a surprisingly high proportion of the population. The hallucinations can last from seconds to minutes, all the while the subject usually remains aware of the true nature of the images. These are usually associated with narcolepsy, but can also affect normal minds.

I'm certain there are other possibilities that I've missed. If you have real curiosity about your experience and are not prone to leaping to conclusions based on a lack of information, you'll look into this more deeply.

 

[WGBH]

This could certainly be mis-identified as a bigfoot. Wait for the 2nd half of the video. Absolutely amazing.

BTW, the mosquito is part of the video; it's not buzzing your head.

I agree. When the bear is moving through the trees obscured, that video would be on youtube titled Bigfoot video. BUT, when the poor bear is walking on the road, you can clearly identify it. Thanks for finding that.

BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

 

[mikeyx]

I agree. When the bear is moving through the trees obscured, that video would be on youtube titled Bigfoot video. BUT, when the poor bear is walking on the road, you can clearly identify it. Thanks for finding that.

BTW, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

Clearly doctored, clearly a bear

 

[154]

Any details as to what you did to substantiate your alleged sighting?

I did nothing but be stunned and immediately make note it in my journal. Apart from looking for and photographing tracks which surely would have been there, but which did not occur to me at the moment, there is nothing I did or could have done to substantiate my change-my-life sighting.

There are many possibilities to consider before we arrive at the conclusion that that you saw an undiscovered, bipedal North American primate that requires 8000+ calories a day to survive but has never been catalogued, captured or unambiguously photographed, despite the forests of this continent being combed over on a daily basis by biologists, wildlife researchers, hunters, hikers, campers, birdwatchers, state and federal employees, and people actively looking for "bigfoot".

Here are some other possibilities you might want to consider first:

A hunter in a gilly suit:

An intentional hoaxer in a costume:

A bear up on two feet:

A hallucination, which is a known, studied and documented phenomenon of the human mind, which sometimes occurs in situations precisely like you've described: driving on a lonely road late at night. (There are several examples of this in the preceding pages of this thread.)

I'm certain there are other possibilities that I've missed. If you have real curiosity about your experience and are not prone to leaping to conclusions based on a lack of information, you'll look into this more deeply.

I'm not stupid Vortigern99. I saw it fully illuminated in my headlights immediately in front of me. It was not a hunter in a ghillie suit. It was not a hoaxing person. It was not a bear stumbling on two feet across the road immediately in front of a vehicle. I did not hallucinate.

You're wrong. It exists. Eventually, you will know.

Driving just a little faster and I would have hit it or, more likely, it would not have crossed and I never would have seen it.

 

[kitakaze]

I'm not stupid Vortigern99. I saw it fully illuminated in my headlights immediately in front of me. It was not a hunter in a ghillie suit. It was not a hoaxing person. It was not a bear stumbling on two feet across the road immediately in front of a vehicle. I did not hallucinate.

You're wrong. It exists. Eventually, you will know.

Driving just a little faster and I would have hit it or, more likely, it would not have crossed and I never would have seen it.

I don't think you're stupid, 154, but I'm sure you did not see a Bigfoot crossing the road in front of you. A big animal, regardless of how smart you think they are, that hangs around human roads and often appears in front of motorists will be an animal that we have a type specimen for. You may feel strongly that you did see Bigfoot with your own eyes. You could really believe that or make the claim simply for sociological reasons. Yes, that means you could be lying, and no, that does not mean I'm calling you a liar. I can also very easily show you people who will swear they saw Grey aliens, Reptoids, Jesus, etc.

You haven't given us any reason why we can't rule out the suggestions Vort made. How can I be sure that you are neither mistaken nor deceiving us?

 

[WGBH]

Welcome to the JREF 154. I am very interested in hearing the specifics of your sighting. If you would feel more comfortable talking in private, you can PM me. Thanks for sharing with us.

 

[rockinkt]

I did nothing but be stunned and immediately make note it in my journal. Apart from looking for and photographing tracks which surely would have been there, but which did not occur to me at the moment, there is nothing I did or could have done to substantiate my change-my-life sighting.
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Actually - you could have backed up and re-driven the last 150 feet or so of your route and tried to see if there was a shadow effect that caused you to think you saw a mythical creature.
You could have stopped your vehicle and turned off the engine and tried to hear it move through the foliage.
You could have looked for hair or scat using your car headlights as illumination if you had no flashlight.

Of course - doing nothing is the easiest way to confirm your own story in your own mind.

I also echo Kitakaze's point about these animals always seeming to cross the road just ahead of cars. That makes them no smarter than your average (i.e. very stupid) mule deer and completely eliminates the idea that they are super stealthy and smart at avoiding human detection.
Can't have it both ways.

 

[Howie Felterbush]

Next time you see one, blow the horn and hit the gas as if you are trying to run it down.

That should produce some scat. (Unless it's the 'Squatch that stole WGBH's underpants!)


All kidding aside, I am a Bigfoot fence-sitter. I take your story at face value. You saw something, and it's not for me or anyone else to say what it was. We can speculate, but that's all.

 

[decojuicer]

154,

From one newbie to another, welcome.

This is one example of how people can misconstrue something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbRcxVYWSY

If I remember correctly, it's a bit later in the video. This person unintentionally hoaxed several people.

People see things that aren't there all the time, or things that aren't what they think. Ours minds just fill in the blanks.

 

[LTC8K6]

And yet a 'foot is never hit by a car...

 

[154]

I really hate when I take the time to write an in-depth response to several other posters... and then find that I timed out or whatever and it's all gone...

... but I'm sure you did not see a Bigfoot crossing the road in front of you.

You may feel strongly that I did not see see a bigfoot crossing the road in front of me but you cannot know that and regardless of how sure you think you are, you do not know that.

A big animal, regardless of how smart you think they are, that hangs around human roads and often appears in front of motorists will be an animal that we have a type specimen for.

I'm now aware of a few reported but unpublicized incidents that, if true, indicate that specimens have been hit, killed and recovered. If true, that only opens inquiry to other questions.

You may feel strongly that you did see Bigfoot with your own eyes. You could really believe that....

I emphatically do.

...or make the claim simply for sociological reasons. Yes, that means you could be lying, and no, that does not mean I'm calling you a liar.

I couldn't care less about possible sociological reasons for claiming to see a bigfoot myself, but understand and have personally dealt with and dismissed accounts of others for such reasons. I am not lying. I do not lie. Truth is always my priority. I have zero interest in misleading or deceiving myself or others. Your questioning of me cannot exceed my own.

I can also very easily show you people who will swear they saw Grey aliens, Reptoids, Jesus, etc.

Okay, I know and do not disagree.

You haven't given us any reason why we can't rule out the suggestions Vort made. How can I be sure that you are neither mistaken nor deceiving us?

I'm well aware there is absolutely no way that I can satisfy this objection. I don't care. I have zero need to convince you or anyone and am well aware that, for all practical purposes, I am wasting my time here, but I share freely and am more than experienced with the skepticism and mockery that usually follows. I now know. I did not care previously. I know as well as you that nothing I could say will make you sure.