Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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kitakaze said:
John, why would you say that? That wasn't what ColMD was asking at all. I don't think he was asking for you to simply repeat yourself but rather how you determined the size. The height you said you knew because you played soccer and the net is 8ft but where did you mention establishing the shoulders of the thing you saw from the waist up?
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My best estimates.
 
kitakaze said:
Needed more cat.

(that thing that went to that place, I mean)

So, John, how long after you had the original experience did you start having the nightmares?

When would you say it was the worst?
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Sorry, just noticed this.

Very soon after. They vary in intensity. Sometimes I am fine for weeks and sometimes I get hardly any sleep for days.
 
makaya325 said:
Darn it, error on me. I agree with your points Desert. Even though eyewitnesses cant be used to support a specific incident, cant we use them to lead us in the right direction?
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I can't say yes or no-it depends on what you are investigating, what other evidence you have, and how it all matches up. I've researched crime for 20 years, but I'm not in law enforcement, so I'm not an authority. Some knowledge, yes, but not as much as what I don't know.

From witnessing investigations and trials-and LT can correct me if I'm wrong-physical and circumstantial evidence are far more reliable and speak more truth in any investigation than eyewitness accounts. And if there is no physical/circumstantial evidence to support eyewitness accounts, then they should be viewed as anecdotal evidence. Might give you a few accurate hints, but it shouldn't be used to prove your case.

Locard's Principle: The subject will always leave something, no matter how small, of himself at the scene, and he will always take something, no matter how small, from the scene away with him. If you're lucky, and you look hard enough, those somethings will be big enough for you to find and match up.

Which is why I don't believe Bigfoot exists, or that eyewitness accounts of him are at all reliable. No one has ever found any of the somethings that would exist if the eyewitness accounts were true and accurate.
 
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WGBH said:
Again, if you are asking if I made the animal stand still while I measured it, NO. It was well over the 8 ft mark , therefore around nine. The shoulders were between 5 and 6 ft wide.
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No, that wasn't what I was asking at all. One of my questions is pretty much what kitakaze related and that is how did you arrive at the 5-6' width of what you saw? The other was if you currently have any doubts about its height to width ratio?

If the answer to the first is "a guess" and the answer to the second is "no" then I have no further questions or comments. I'm just trying to put this into perspective, and to note the sheer size of what you saw.
 
ColMD said:
No, that wasn't what I was asking at all. One of my questions is pretty much what kitakaze related and that is how did you arrive at the 5-6' width of what you saw? The other was if you currently have any doubts about its height to width ratio?

If the answer to the first is "a guess" and the answer to the second is "no" then I have no further questions or comments. I'm just trying to put this into perspective, and to note the sheer size of what you saw.
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They were both estimates. I am certain about the height because I has a tree for reference. The width is a guess. I believe my estimates on target to be that this animal was over eight feet tall and closer to 9 feet and that its shoulders were 5 to 6 ft wide. OK?
 
WGBH said:
They were both estimates. I am certain about the height because I has a tree for reference. The width is a guess. I believe my estimates on target to be that this animal was over eight feet tall and closer to 9 feet and that its shoulders were 5 to 6 ft wide. OK?
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Fair enough, that's all I was asking.
 
desertgal said:
Which is why I don't believe Bigfoot exists, or that eyewitness accounts of him are at all reliable. No one has ever found any of the somethings that would exist if the eyewitness accounts were true and accurate.
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Hey desertgal,
what of historian's invisible, interdimensional bigfoot?
they could certainly commit the perfect crime. :D

sorry, i just read that thread, and it was just as good as the corndog simpson thread. i do love this forum. :)
 
ColMD said:
WGBH said:
They were both estimates. I am certain about the height because I has a tree for reference. The width is a guess. I believe my estimates on target to be that this animal was over eight feet tall and closer to 9 feet and that its shoulders were 5 to 6 ft wide. OK?
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Fair enough, that's all I was asking.
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Eet vas deesh beeg...



OK?
 
WGBH said:
Sorry, just noticed this.

Very soon after. They vary in intensity. Sometimes I am fine for weeks and sometimes I get hardly any sleep for days.
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Does there seem to be any pattern or triggers?

How did your parents react to having there 17 year old son left in the woods alone with a gun after never having touched one or been in the woods before?

How did your parents react when your behaviour began changing drastically and the screaming in the night started very soon after the trip to the swamp with the Hatfields?

From sunrise to the time of your sighting how much time had elapsed would you estimate?
 
kitakaze said:
Does there seem to be any pattern or triggers?

Well I am not sure, but If I go to sleep with Bigfoot on my mind, I am in for a long sleepness night. Such as if I talk to a witness or write up a sighting report. Most of the time I do not listen to the Bigfoot radio shows, I just chat in the chat rooms with friends.

How did your parents react to having there 17 year old son left in the woods alone with a gun after never having touched one or been in the woods before?

They knew I was going. I guess they trusted their neighbor to look after me. The rifle was not an issue, my friends Dad knew I was not going to fire it. It made me uncomfortable.

How did your parents react when your behaviour began changing drastically and the screaming in the night started very soon after the trip to the swamp with the Hatfields?

My Mom always asked me what I was dreaming, I told her I did not remember. My dad never commented or never noticed. When I finally told her about my sighting last year the first thing she said to me was "this is what is causing the nightmares isn't it?"

From sunrise to the time of your sighting how much time had elapsed would you estimate?
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About 2 1/2 to 3 hours. It was about 8 or 9 am. We woke around 5 am and they showed me how to fire the gun and put the safety on then we had to walk to the stands. I estimate I got in the stand at 6 am maybe? I am not certain what time the sun actually was well up.
 
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makaya325 said:
Ray, for every Suspect being mistaken, how many are correctly identified? Police and eyewitnesses are correct many times on the news. Homo sapiens are not that dumb. It seems like you are trying to use ONE SPECIFIC case to point out unreliability concerning testimony. Yes, no one is perfect, but we are not to be underestimated concerning what we see. during Some of the times we report something, we are dead on.
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I was thinking the same thing myself, mak, when I read that.

"Flawed observations by eyewitnesses in general' simply doesn't account for many of the Bigfoot sighting reports....because, as in John's case....(and in many other similar cases)....the chance (also known as "probability") that he misidentified a Bear, or a Deer, or a Coyote for a huge, massive, upright walking, human-looking...:rolleyes:, awful-smellin' Ape-Man is pretty much zero.
 
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WGBH said:
Again, if you are asking if I made the animal stand still while I measured it, NO. It was well over the 8 ft mark , therefore around nine. The shoulders were between 5 and 6 ft wide.
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And your eyes never lies.
 
WGBH said:
They were both estimates. I am certain about the height because I has a tree for reference. The width is a guess. I believe my estimates on target to be that this animal was over eight feet tall and closer to 9 feet and that its shoulders were 5 to 6 ft wide. OK?
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I think you are a liar. You lied then and you are lying now.
 
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makaya325 said:
Homo sapiens are not that dumb.
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SweatyYeti said:
"Flawed observations by eyewitnesses in general' simply doesn't account for many of the Bigfoot sighting reports....because, as in John's case....(and in many other similar cases)....the chance (also known as "probability") that he misidentified a Bear, or a Deer, or a Coyote for a huge, massive, upright walking, human-looking...:rolleyes:, awful-smellin' Ape-Man is pretty much zero.
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Speaking of apparent contradictions... :D
 
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John, Which of the following scenarios do you think is a more reasonable (to the general public) explanation for your sighting?

A. You saw a Giant, Hairy, Bipedal Primate, of an unclassified, undiscovered nature, and were traumatized by this encounter post-sighting.

B. You were hunting, and tired, and you hallucinated or dreamed that you saw something that resembles what we call Bigfoot.
 
Drewbot said:
John, Which of the following scenarios do you think is a more reasonable (to the general public) explanation for your sighting?

A. You saw a Giant, Hairy, Bipedal Primate, of an unclassified, undiscovered nature, and were traumatized by this encounter post-sighting.

B. You were hunting, and tired, and you hallucinated or dreamed that you saw something that resembles what we call Bigfoot.
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I don't care what is more reasonable to the general public. I care what is the truth and that would be A.
 
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