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I was born and raised in Scioto County Ohio on a large farm in a very rural area near the Shawnee State Forest and do not recall any sightings. All of us boys roamed the woods both hunting and just for fun; in the winter with the snow on a favorite game was to let someone have a 10 minute head start and then track him. We never saw BF tracks.

In no way was I relating bear sightings to bf sightings. I was just commenting on Kitakaze's question "Where are bears?" My family has spent upteen thousand hours in Washington county woods and no bf there either. Or bear.
I like to hear about species returning to areas and I know many interested in "bf like" stuff do to.



WGBH,
I have an acerbic tone, I admit. (three strokes has interfered with my brains
checks and balances, so to speak, among other things). I apologize. But what I have said I stand behind.

What about Archangels proposal?

ap
 
So nothing solid regarding cougars (though there are bobcats which people could mistake for cougars). As for the wolves, how reliable is that information you have regarding the shot dead animals? If confirmed that would be an example of an extirpated species returning to an area it once inhabited. I think you might agree this is a very far cry from massive undiscovered wood apes loping about Salt Fork State Park tossing rocks over by where the pavilion is, would you not?

wolves bodies are i dep hands, guess that depends how paranoid you are
 
In no way was I relating bear sightings to bf sightings. I was just commenting on Kitakaze's question "Where are bears?" My family has spent upteen thousand hours in Washington county woods and no bf there either. Or bear.
I like to hear about species returning to areas and I know many interested in "bf like" stuff do to.

I have heard the same from many friends who live there in Ohio. There are not that many bear sightings. We see lots of bear here in VA and in NC. When I went to PA we saw bears everywhere.

WGBH,
I have an acerbic tone, I admit. (three strokes has interfered with my brains
checks and balances, so to speak, among other things). I apologize. But what I have said I stand behind.

No worries and no need to apologize.

What about Archangels proposal?

ap


What was archangels proposal? I guess I need to scroll up and read it. Edit: I scrolled up about 4 pages and could not find it.
 
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Actually, just to clarify my position I have no idea what he smelled and don't want to say that it might've emanated from a bear.
I just feel that a physical source of odour cannot be ruled out as less likely than a hallucinated one.

I do have to ask for some clarification from someone who knows the area in question, the swamps I've been to here in Australia all smell bloody awful for the most part does the one in question have a similar sort of odour?

As I understand it the odour that occurs in swamps can be attributed to the rotting vegetation and animals, coupled with the moistness of the area.
The rotting process can lead to build ups of noxious smelling gases, especially if trapped under the usual layer of mud that is in a swamp.

If expelled this could create a small pocket of less oxygenated air, which could potentially have a foul smell (ie swamp gas).

The lack of oxygen in the area could bring on some of the symptoms that WGBH described (ie nausea etc) and if he was feeling faint enough it's also possible that he may have started to hallucinate things.

It could also explain why the rest of the group did not smell anything by the time they got back, it had dissipated.

Note:
I'm not claiming this is what happened, nor that it's even likely just that it might be another possible explanation.
 
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Ah, I missed that, I must have been hallucinating. :D Thanks for that Kit.

We were not in the swamp proper but the property was near the border. Nevertheless, The smell did have a bit of that swampy methane odor mixed in with the wet dog,rotting flesh smell.

Did I smell swamp gas and hallucinate? I would answer that the same way I have the other theory's submitted. Anything is possible, but I find it unlikely. I will admit that it is more likely then a sleep or brain disorder. I guess this is another thing I ask the park officials if I can ever get down there. We are getting swamped (pun intended) at work and it is hard for me to get away.
 
Ah, I missed that, I must have been hallucinating. :D Thanks for that Kit.

We were not in the swamp proper but the property was near the border. Nevertheless, The smell did have a bit of that swampy methane odor mixed in with the wet dog,rotting flesh smell.

IOW, swamp gas smell. Please understand that a species of animal that often reeks to high heaven in a place like the eastern U.S. is an animal found.

Did I smell swamp gas and hallucinate? I would answer that the same way I have the other theory's submitted. Anything is possible, but I find it unlikely.

I fell down.

:faint:

OK, wait... yep, I'm up again.

Things which are known and studied scientific phenomenoms, gas emissions from rotting vegetation in swamps and hallucinations associated with lack of oyxgen intake, are unlikely but a *9* *x* *6* *ft*, larger than a grizzly bear, upright, bipedal, gamma radiation-proportioned, member of a monster apeman species heretofore undiscovered by science living amongst two of the most industrialized nations on Earth on the Eastern Seaboard of the United States of America escapes this transient classification by you as "unlikely"??

Oops, down again.

:faint:

I will admit that it is more likely then a sleep or brain disorder.

Sleep paralysis can happen to any completely healthy, normal, sane individual. I don't think it's a disorder of any kind just by itself. It can be associated with sleeping disorders but by itself is a common condition:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2007/MB_cgi?field=uid&term=D020188

I guess this is another thing I ask the park officials if I can ever get down there. We are getting swamped (pun intended) at work and it is hard for me to get away.

Let your fingers do the walking:

Let me give you some contact info:

ELIZABETH CITY STATE UNIVERSITY
Department of Geological, Environmental,
and Marine Sciences
(252) 335-3735


http://www.geocities.com/great_dismal_swamp/index.html


Great Dismal Swamp Wildlife Refuge:

Mailing Address: 3100 Desert Road, Suffolk, Virginia 23434
Phone: (757) 986-3705 Fax: (757) 986-2353

Web mail: greatdismalswamp@fws.gov

http://www.fws.gov/northeast/greatdismalswamp/

Please do this for yourself. I really want to see you be able to have some freedom back in your life.
 
Hey WGBH, good luck with it all. I mean that.
Gotta adios. It's summer and the last place I wanna be is behind the boob tubes aristocratic cousin.
ap
 
You love trolling you tube for silly video.
Yes. Yes, I do. I love checking out silly Bigfoot enthusiast videos on youtube because they love putting them up. Youtube killed Bigfoot, don't you know? Here's some great silly video - cop talks to West Virginia footers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDIAe-VWl-0

I love that lady's voice starting at 00:50. Recognize anybody?

Hey, John, remember Nancy from West Virginia?:

Billy Willard states that he had searched for Bigfoot in the park before with Eric Altman and the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society (49:30). He also says that he ran into fellow Bigfoot enthusiasts from other groups that he had been in the field with (Blue Tracker, Phil Brocko (SP), Nancy from West Virginia who was poking about shining her flashlight on ABS people asking who they were) (51:45).

Look who I found!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoZW6x-x9Ro

It's Nancy!

Little teepee nest? Rectangular territorial markers with little mini stick formation garnish? Bigfoot arches? Remarkable, incredible finds?

:dl:

OMG, that is too funny! It's like Bigfoot has time enough in between scrounging the 12,000+ calories it needs everyday and eluding teh huamns to engage in creating freestyle post-modern interpretive art structures all about the woods. What the heck is the matter with these people? It's like the reams of camouflage has affected their minds and reduced them to dolts. They are literally stumbling about the woods screaming and hollering at everything they find with 6 year old child logic thinking it's Bigfoot...

WOW! Look at this arch! That is huUU~uge! Look! Another X! And right over here... Check it out! My head fell right out of my butt!

*facepalm*

Wow. It's a good thing she just visited the ABS expedition while it was happening and wasn't actually part of it...

Nancy? Nancy... Put the stick down, Nancy. No, Nancy. The stick is not a Bigfoot hairbrush. Please leave the stick alone and stop shouting, Nancy. You'll scare the Bigfoots away.

She isn't like one of those super teh-good-Lord-Jesus Bigfooters, is she?

Oh, wait. Yahtzee...

My husband Bernie and I are the Snodsquatch Research Team of the Upper Ohio Valley. We had our first accual sighting on Febuary 9, 2009. We send approximately 36 hours a week in the feild research. We have become freinds with some many great people who share the same interest and are determand to find out the truth about these very real creatures. Hopefully, by the grace of God. we will be able to prove that they are a living being and placed on the endangered species list. Thanks to the firstbillyjack who brought his courage for us to not be affraid to go out there and look. Also, we would like to thank Don Keating for all his help and understanding with our research. Good luck to ALL of our fellow researchers and never give up. KEEP ON SQUATCHEN !!!

Hallyberry, Praze Teh Lord!

http://www.youtube.com/user/nancy1wv

That's nice they want Bigfoot on the endangered species list. Yeah, you know. That thing they keep seeing in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and the rest of the continent. The absolute cherry on top, though, is that they thank thefirstbillyjack for teaching them not to be afraid of looking in the woods for Bigfoot! That is the one and very same thefirstbillyjack who posted the video of the porcupine in the tree that he proceeded to flee from in terror, believing it to be a baby Bigfoot and also has literally 300 squatching videos on youtube. Questioning his competence made Melissa have a fit and suspend me at the SFB.

Anyhow, nice video of a pretty waterfall on her youtube user page there.

"Rumour has it that they do Satanic rituals here on Halloween":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_38yeoENok&feature=channel_page

"At least somebody had the good sense to put "god" on the tree" (nature's much prettier when you paint it).

I wonder if the Satanic ritual dudes ever run into Bigfoot when they're out there conjerin' Teh Devul. I suppose they might think it was Beelzebub himself.:D
 
Kit,

Oh Boy the stories I could tell you about Nancy....

Here's one,

Nancy had this one video she posted on you tube that has a supposed "Bigfoot call" at Salt Fork. That it was the same weekend as the ABS expedition and the call she says are Bigfoot are Joedy Cook. He is a researcher from Ohio and a fellow ABS member. We were out hiking and goofing around that day in the park and Joedy was demonstrating his calls for us. I almost spit my water on my computer when I played it I was laughing so hard.

Nancy is a nice lady, bless her heart, but she sees Bigfoot behind every tree. She also circles them in red. :D

That poor guy the real billy jack, I feel sorry for him. He gets out there in the woods alone and gets really scared. I can hear it in his voice on those videos. It scares me that he goes out there alone. He actually fell waist deep in a frozen pond and almost died from exposure last winter.
 
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WGBH,
I have an acerbic tone, I admit. (three strokes has interfered with my brains
checks and balances, so to speak, among other things). I apologize. But what I have said I stand behind.

What about Archangels proposal?

ap

three strokes has interfered with my brains checks and balances, so to speak, among other things


ap,
I don't mean to change the subject, but as a physician this is rather alarming. I hope you are under the care of the competent doctor lest you get a fourth and possibly fatal stroke. We are a resilient species, but preventing any further trauma to your body would be a wise course of action. There are certain things you can do as well as certain things you can abstain from doing which will benefit you.
Apologies for getting off topic, but it has been my job for over a quarter of a century to care about medical problems.
 
Sorry for the other night, people. It was a bad scene i had experienced.

I bet I know what scene you were in...

let me explain- after a couple 6 packs of koff beer, lol, I might have exxagerated the et life possibility. When sober and clear, i full believe that alien life (microbes) definitely exist elsewhere, in the form of contaminance and of other-wordly evolution. When it comes to complex life, i then put on my debunker cap.

You were in the Wild Indian again, weren't you?

This is where you should post when you've been into grampa's cough syrup again:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28
 
Kit,

Oh Boy the stories I could tell you about Nancy....

Here's one,

Nancy had this one video she posted on you tube that has a supposed "Bigfoot call" at Salt Fork. That it was the same weekend as the ABS expedition and the call she says are Bigfoot are Joedy Cook. He is a researcher from Ohio and a fellow ABS member. We were out hiking and goofing around that day in the park and Joedy was demonstrating his calls for us. I almost spit my water on my computer when I played it I was laughing so hard.

Nancy is a nice lady, bless her heart, but she sees Bigfoot behind every tree. She also circles them in red. :D

Nancy seems like a sweet lady. Hopefully somebody helps her to be less inept at critical thinking.

All I can think about when I see this video is what would happen if a real live Bigfoot were to just walking out of that hole and fling some poo at her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUp8QtHRKrA&feature=related

We can't be to hard on Nancy, though, because she's helped both you, me, and all the ABS. My youtube silly footer video interest has payed off big-time. Remember the smell that initiated the events on the Saturday of your expedition that culminated in thinking you guys had a possible encounter?

John Cartwright @ SFB said:
Everyone, take a deep breath here. Kitakaze is not planning on "bashing" those of us involved in the expedition. He will ask questions and give his opinions. Speaking for myself only, he is welcome to ask me questions about anything I am permitted to discuss pending BOD approval. I also am not frightened to listen to his opinions.

I can understand why he would think Don was involved. He knows that Salt Fork is Don's territory. Also, I need to make a correction about the length if time Don was there Thursday. Don was in the woods with Billy, Joedy and Myself for about 1 1/2 hours before we brought him over to the picnic area to say hi to the rest of the group. KK may also have misunderstood the familiar, playful banter on the radio between friends like Billy and Don.

I also know that KK is aware that myself and Billy are from Virginia. I am fairly sure it says it on my Avatar and Signature. LOL

I do want to mention that KK did not mention the Saturday happenings of the sounds of something charging right at Billy and Myself. And More importantly the odor that we all experienced. But he may have been getting around to it.

Edited typo

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13065

kitakaze @ SFB said:
I was going to discuss further details such as smells later. It was the smell of something like urine after the group had regrouped that you noticed (?) that got people going towards the direction where the possible encounter happened. That's just going from memory so I could be wrong. The sounds you mention are also in my notes but my first big post was getting monster so I had to break it off.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13070

John Cartwright @ SFB said:
Billy and I first smelled the odor as we were climbing out of the ravine towards to pavilion. Billy went to meet with the others. I was angry and continued to walk around the perimeter of the wood line. I was not ready to give up and pack it in for the night. I had a gut feeling that whatever it was Billy and I heard and smelled was still around the area. As I was walking near the area Billy and I had just climbed out of, the smell hit me again. I yelled to everyone to get over there. That was when others also smelled the odor and some went back down into the ravine.

Yes it smelled like urine, but really strong like ammonia. It almost burns your sinuses. Very strong. But this is just my opinion. Others may feel different. I am not making claims that what I heard or smelled was a Bigfoot. But it was something.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13072

Wammy @ SFB said:
What struck me was the breeze was blowing uphill from the ravine into our faces, so whatever the smell was, it was coming from out of the ravine.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13074

kitakaze @ SFB said:
Yeah, I remember about you being choked with not having more occur as well as the burning sensation mentioned. Melissa mentioned it as well, IIRC. WHat else do you think might have been responsible for the smell. Were you in the proximity of anything you can think of that might emit any type of strong smell. For example, skunk cabbage. Or what about the pavilion? Anything there that might do it? A burning ammonia smell from a primate would be highly bizarre.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13077

Wammmy @ SFB said:
QUOTE (kitakaze @ Apr 30 2009, 11:04 PM)
Is it possible something could have been dumped or left there?


Its possible, although I don't know why anyone would do that. I never got the idea of something being dumped. What I smelled had a more musty odor to it , the first thing I thought of was a wet animal smell, but thats just what I smelled.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13082

kitakaze @ SFB said:
Musty like in a stale way? I hear musty and I think of like a moldy bacterial-type odour. The ammonia thing is a very chemical smell. You guys mentioned the pavilion. What smells might have come from there? Did you find that it had such a strong odour has to cause a burning sensation as was mentioned by Melissa and John?

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13087

Wammy @ SFB said:
Musty as in wet animal, like I said, that's what I first thought of. I was at the pavilion all night, along with others, and I never smelled anything from there. What I smelled was not extremely strong, to me anyway. So that would be a no with the burning sensation.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13102

Melissa @ SFB said:
What I smelled, was the smell of urine. When I first smelled it, it was as if I had walked into a wall of it. The smell was rancid, as if someone had set urine in the sun for a couple days.

Yes, I did say this smell caused a "burning sensation" in my sinuses. I am thinking that would be because I have bad allergies, and very sensitive sinuses (campfires have given me sinus infections) This would be the first time I ever smelled something like this in the field.

Like you Kit, I brought up the idea of the smell coming from the Pavillion, but this was checked out and believe it or not, the Pavillion area of this park is kept in very good condition. No one complained of any "urine smell" earlier or any other time while at this handicapped parking area. In fact, we had our BBQ at this Pavillion earlier in the day (while it was still warmer out) and no one said a word about odd smells, or complained about the smell of urine.

Wammy is correct when he said the wind was coming up from the ravine, so the wind would have taken the smell away from where I was, had it been coming from the Pavillion. In fact, I didnt catch the smell until walking past the pavillion, then just before the woodline, it was gone (thankfully).


This issue is still under investigation. Members of the ABS want solid answers too, regardless of what the answer might be.

http://searchforbigfoot.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=1297&view=findpost&p=13107

Well, for you and the rest of the ABS you can thank Nancy from West Virginia via kitakaze for solving the mystery for you. Drum roll, please...

TADAAA!



Isn't that awesome? Thanks, Nancy! You showed me the handicapped picnic area and solved the mystery of the ABS' mysterious pee pee smell.

I'm just going to go ahead and start my timer to see how long that thread will remain up before Melissa hides it from public view.;)

Wow. What would be crazy is if someone tried to discount that obvious busting of the possible Bigfoot stink attack by claiming it was something else. Yes, it smelled like urine but there was something else. The Bigfoot smell and the pee pee smell were just happening at the same time.:boggled:

And Melissa says skeptics never do anything positive. I found the answer to your mystery stink! Hi five, Mel? No? Didn't think so. I think it delicious that it was me of all people that found it. She's just going to hate that. Hee hee... :D

Looking at that handicapped picnic area the idea of it being remote or that there could be undiscovered massive wood apes sneaking about around there makes it very hard not to burst out laughing. I realize it's different for you with so little experience in the woods and no one can criticize you for that, but if was on that trip like that and we arrived there and somebody said that was where we were doing our expedition, I'd ask them what was wrong with their head. The only reason people think there might be a Bigfoot in Salt Fork State Park is because you have inept people like Don Keating promoting and perpetuating the idea. I know you will disagree with me that Don Keating is inept so I'll just ask you to watch this video of him being taken by Nancy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_XK-XTSbHE&feature=channel_page

Keating thinks he's found dermals in that alleged Bigfoot track there. Dude. Dermals...

*facepalm*

Oh Sweet Zombie Jesus. Look at the ground there. It's fall-down stupid. That is the epitome of footer too far gone. Ay ay ay. We need to pull this bad boy out...

thestupiditburns.jpg


Poor Nancy. She's giddy with joy in that video.

That poor guy the real billy jack, I feel sorry for him. He gets out there in the woods alone and gets really scared. I can hear it in his voice on those videos. It scares me that he goes out there alone. He actually fell waist deep in a frozen pond and almost died from exposure last winter.

Check out this video of thefirstbillyjack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqadqdcbh8&feature=channel_page

I hope he knows how to use that knife. The funny thing about this video is that he's talking about how he had just recently had a sighting. The man has as of today 304 videos on youtube and all these claimed sightings yet he can't seem to get one on camera. You know when he's not looking for Bigfoot he looking for Dogman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ryekmN-_zI&feature=channel

Very, very silly.
 
We can't be to hard on Nancy, though, because she's helped both you, me, and all the ABS. My youtube silly footer video interest has payed off big-time. Remember the smell that initiated the events on the Saturday of your expedition that culminated in thinking you guys had a possible encounter?

Kit, I am at work and I cannot view you tube videos. I would hope that you are not subscribing to Nancy's theory that the smell that we encountered was caused by the restrooms. If so, Let me pause here and get my breath back from laughing.

...OK, I can breath now.

First of all, the area that Nancy was showing in that video is on the complete opposite side of the picnic area from the ravine in question. If you look at the bottom of the comments from that video you will see me arguing that fact with her.

Also, those restrooms are kept locked most of the time, especially at night. This helps to keep the animals out. But, because you seem to think this is a major metropolitan area and not a wilderness area you would not have come to that conclusion.

Also,Billy Willard (who does enviromental inspections of ground water, fuel tanks and septic systems for his profession) and myself went back to the site 2 weeks after the event and used his professional equipment to test that theory and see if a septic leak or drainage problem was the cause. It was not.

You see Kit, although your crtitcal thinking is good you just do not give us the credit of being a step ahead of you and being critical of ourselves.

A more critical thinker would have come to the conclusion that the urine smell was from a known animal such as a fox or a coyote. Even inexperienced woodsman like myself thought of that.

That restroom theory was thought of and tested. NEXT??



Well, for you and the rest of the ABS you can thank Nancy from West Virginia via kitakaze for solving the mystery for you. Drum roll, please...

Yeah, uh-huh. You and Nancy make quite the team and are made for each other.


Isn't that awesome? Thanks, Nancy! You showed me the handicapped picnic area and solved the mystery of the ABS' mysterious pee pee smell.

When will you start making your debut in her silly videos?


I'm just going to go ahead and start my timer to see how long that thread will remain up before Melissa hides it from public view.;)

I don't think anyone really cares except you.

Wow. What would be crazy is if someone tried to discount that obvious busting of the possible Bigfoot stink attack by claiming it was something else. Yes, it smelled like urine but there was something else. The Bigfoot smell and the pee pee smell were just happening at the same time.:boggled:

It is never crazy to look for alternative answers. It's just where you look and who you look with. But I am glad you found your research partner in Nancy.

And Melissa says skeptics never do anything positive. I found the answer to your mystery stink! Hi five, Mel? No? Didn't think so. I think it delicious that it was me of all people that found it. She's just going to hate that. Hee hee... :D

You found nothing. You took the educated guess that we all did and we investigated that option.

Looking at that handicapped picnic area the idea of it being remote or that there could be undiscovered massive wood apes sneaking about around there makes it very hard not to burst out laughing. I realize it's different for you with so little experience in the woods and no one can criticize you for that.

You just did critcize me for that.B]

You have no idea. Just because there is a restroom you think it is not a wild area.
 
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http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=salt fork, oh&rlz=1W1GDNA_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Please show the location on the map. Honestly it doesn't look all that wild.

It kind of looks Ohio-ey.

Location of what? The handicapped picnic area? If I had a location of the Salt Fork Lodge, I may be able to figure out the area where that is, by using the roads as a guide. The nearest town is 20 miles away and that town is small. The area outside the park is very rural an mostly Ammish folk. Even the Highway leading to the park is one lane each way. If you are in the handicapped picnic area you are 15 miles from any Hwy. No, it is not the PNW, but it is not Tokyo either. It is 7 miles from the park gate to the Lodge.
 
John, you should really have a look at the video I posted. We're not looking at any restroom theory. Not having seen the video and talking about restrooms is going to seem silly when you can see the video. Just check it out tonight and then you'll be like "Right. OK. We're not talking about restrooms at all." When you see the video just pause it at 00:20 and just kind of stare at the screen. The entire idea of Bigfoot putting the stink on you guys with the pee pee smell is going to seems very, very silly after you do that. Unfortunately, just in this case it seems Nancy "look, another X!" from West Virginia has a leg up on the American Bigfoot Society when it comes to investigative abilities.

Ouch.:o
 
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