Is that it? That is all it took to get ABS members from all over the country to decide to undertake organizing an expedition in search of reliable evidence of Bigfoot there? Didn't anybody raise the obvious objection that the largest land mammal in North America probably isn't hanging about the pavilion and handicapped area of a hugely popular, not at all remote McPark that is covered every week with Bigfoot enthusiasts and known to your Bigfoot searching group to be worked by Bigfoot hoaxers?
Seems pretty out there to me to seriously think a breeding population of massive wood apes are remaining undiscovered by science whilst tossing rocks at Bigfoot enthusiasts in regular public usage places of Salt Fork.
We can't just blow those guys off, John. There's some guy out there that will get up in front of a Ufology conference with the shakes and the wavering voice who will emotionally recount his Reptoid sighting and stun the audience with the rawness of the tale. What makes his experience less likely than yours?
It's quite simple. When you say there are those that know Bigfoot exists you are literally saying that categorically Bigfoot exists. If skeptics make definitive statements like that (Bigfoot doesn't exist), Bigfoot enthusiasts have a hissy fit. You can not show that you didn't experience a dream/hallucination/distorted memory and you have no reliable evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact that you didn't have such an experience again says nothing more than the fact that the conditions that created the situation were not again replicated. You weren't placed hungry, tired, and scared with a gun up in an effective isolation chamber in the dark of night again.
Other than to say the human mind, I have no idea. I had certainly never seen such a spider before yet there I was having sleep paralysis and vividly seeing a great big spider wrapping its many awful legs around my hand and sinking its evil fangs into the flesh between my thumb and forefinger. It's the kind of thing that when it's over and you're fully awake you just want to put it out of your head. It never happened again and doesn't make me flip out when I see a spider but I'm not in any rush to pick one up. Basically spiders are to me what bears are to Stephen Colbert.
We're done in the sense that you've made it clear you will irrationally refuse to accept any other explanation than having seen a real Bigfoot. I'm not insulting you when I say irrational but it is simply not rational to look at the circumstances of your experience and deny that it may be the very real human phenomenom of dreams/hallucinations/distorted memories.
Before I tried two separate tracks with you. One where I approached it from the angle that you did not see what you think you saw because 9 x 6 ft monster apemen do not exist in the Great Dismal Swamp and the other accepting the premise fully.
So that's the only way you will allow us to proceed; to accept your sighting based on your feelings about it and drop any explanations regarding the fallibility of human perception. So let's go that way. I gave you links about who to contact for the Great Dismal Swamp. Will you take the proactive role of contacing them and discussing the things we have talked about? Remember that the other sighting you linked was not the same individual as yours but one that was taller and had a different appearance. We're talking about what would be a real species of animal and in fact the largest mammal in North America right there in North Carolina. We don't need Bigfoot enthusiasts to help us know what's really going on so are we going to do this or what? C'mon, I'll even give us a theme song...
Do you think these guys have to worry about getting eaten by 9 x 6 ft monster apemen?
Is that it? That is all it took to get ABS members from all over the country to decide to undertake organizing an expedition in search of reliable evidence of Bigfoot there? Didn't anybody raise the obvious objection that the largest land mammal in North America probably isn't hanging about the pavilion and handicapped area of a hugely popular, not at all remote McPark that is covered every week with Bigfoot enthusiasts and known to your Bigfoot searching group to be worked by Bigfoot hoaxers?
Seems pretty out there to me to seriously think a breeding population of massive wood apes are remaining undiscovered by science whilst tossing rocks at Bigfoot enthusiasts in regular public usage places of Salt Fork.
Have you ever considered that maybe it's not Bigfoot enthusiasts you need but rather proper therapy and counselling?
What is not my opinion are people who claim face to face encounters with Reptoids.
What makes John Cartwright's experience less fantastical than Barry King's?:
We can't just blow those guys off, John. There's some guy out there that will get up in front of a Ufology conference with the shakes and the wavering voice who will emotionally recount his Reptoid sighting and stun the audience with the rawness of the tale. What makes his experience less likely than yours?
It's quite simple. When you say there are those that know Bigfoot exists you are literally saying that categorically Bigfoot exists. If skeptics make definitive statements like that (Bigfoot doesn't exist), Bigfoot enthusiasts have a hissy fit. You can not show that you didn't experience a dream/hallucination/distorted memory and you have no reliable evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact that you didn't have such an experience again says nothing more than the fact that the conditions that created the situation were not again replicated. You weren't placed hungry, tired, and scared with a gun up in an effective isolation chamber in the dark of night again.
Other than to say the human mind, I have no idea. I had certainly never seen such a spider before yet there I was having sleep paralysis and vividly seeing a great big spider wrapping its many awful legs around my hand and sinking its evil fangs into the flesh between my thumb and forefinger. It's the kind of thing that when it's over and you're fully awake you just want to put it out of your head. It never happened again and doesn't make me flip out when I see a spider but I'm not in any rush to pick one up. Basically spiders are to me what bears are to Stephen Colbert.
We're done in the sense that you've made it clear you will irrationally refuse to accept any other explanation than having seen a real Bigfoot. I'm not insulting you when I say irrational but it is simply not rational to look at the circumstances of your experience and deny that it may be the very real human phenomenom of dreams/hallucinations/distorted memories.
Before I tried two separate tracks with you. One where I approached it from the angle that you did not see what you think you saw because 9 x 6 ft monster apemen do not exist in the Great Dismal Swamp and the other accepting the premise fully.
So that's the only way you will allow us to proceed; to accept your sighting based on your feelings about it and drop any explanations regarding the fallibility of human perception. So let's go that way. I gave you links about who to contact for the Great Dismal Swamp. Will you take the proactive role of contacing them and discussing the things we have talked about? Remember that the other sighting you linked was not the same individual as yours but one that was taller and had a different appearance. We're talking about what would be a real species of animal and in fact the largest mammal in North America right there in North Carolina. We don't need Bigfoot enthusiasts to help us know what's really going on so are we going to do this or what? C'mon, I'll even give us a theme song...
Do you think these guys have to worry about getting eaten by 9 x 6 ft monster apemen?
Is that it? That is all it took to get ABS members from all over the country to decide to undertake organizing an expedition in search of reliable evidence of Bigfoot there? Didn't anybody raise the obvious objection that the largest land mammal in North America probably isn't hanging about the pavilion and handicapped area of a hugely popular, not at all remote McPark that is covered every week with Bigfoot enthusiasts and known to your Bigfoot searching group to be worked by Bigfoot hoaxers?
Seems pretty out there to me to seriously think a breeding population of massive wood apes are remaining undiscovered by science whilst tossing rocks at Bigfoot enthusiasts in regular public usage places of Salt Fork.
Have you ever considered that maybe it's not Bigfoot enthusiasts you need but rather proper therapy and counselling?
What is not my opinion are people who claim face to face encounters with Reptoids.
What makes John Cartwright's experience less fantastical than Barry King's?:
We can't just blow those guys off, John. There's some guy out there that will get up in front of a Ufology conference with the shakes and the wavering voice who will emotionally recount his Reptoid sighting and stun the audience with the rawness of the tale. What makes his experience less likely than yours?
It's quite simple. When you say there are those that know Bigfoot exists you are literally saying that categorically Bigfoot exists. If skeptics make definitive statements like that (Bigfoot doesn't exist), Bigfoot enthusiasts have a hissy fit. You can not show that you didn't experience a dream/hallucination/distorted memory and you have no reliable evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact that you didn't have such an experience again says nothing more than the fact that the conditions that created the situation were not again replicated. You weren't placed hungry, tired, and scared with a gun up in an effective isolation chamber in the dark of night again.
Other than to say the human mind, I have no idea. I had certainly never seen such a spider before yet there I was having sleep paralysis and vividly seeing a great big spider wrapping its many awful legs around my hand and sinking its evil fangs into the flesh between my thumb and forefinger. It's the kind of thing that when it's over and you're fully awake you just want to put it out of your head. It never happened again and doesn't make me flip out when I see a spider but I'm not in any rush to pick one up. Basically spiders are to me what bears are to Stephen Colbert.
We're done in the sense that you've made it clear you will irrationally refuse to accept any other explanation than having seen a real Bigfoot. I'm not insulting you when I say irrational but it is simply not rational to look at the circumstances of your experience and deny that it may be the very real human phenomenom of dreams/hallucinations/distorted memories.
Before I tried two separate tracks with you. One where I approached it from the angle that you did not see what you think you saw because 9 x 6 ft monster apemen do not exist in the Great Dismal Swamp and the other accepting the premise fully.
So that's the only way you will allow us to proceed; to accept your sighting based on your feelings about it and drop any explanations regarding the fallibility of human perception. So let's go that way. I gave you links about who to contact for the Great Dismal Swamp. Will you take the proactive role of contacing them and discussing the things we have talked about? Remember that the other sighting you linked was not the same individual as yours but one that was taller and had a different appearance. We're talking about what would be a real species of animal and in fact the largest mammal in North America right there in North Carolina. We don't need Bigfoot enthusiasts to help us know what's really going on so are we going to do this or what? C'mon, I'll even give us a theme song...
Do you think these guys have to worry about getting eaten by 9 x 6 ft monster apemen?
1935, four ligers from two litters were reared in the Zoological Gardens of Bloemfontein, South Africa. Three of them, a male and two females, were still living in 1953. The male weighed 750 lb. and stood a foot and a half taller than a full grown male lion at the shoulder.
Although ligers are more commonly found than tigons today, in At Home In The Zoo (1961), Gerald Iles wrote "For the record I must say that I have never seen a liger, a hybrid obtained by crossing a lion with a tigress. They seem to be even rarer than tigons."[2]
What i believe, is that an old ancient myth, involving presents, promoted and supported bf's existence. BTW, i just spoke to bf!
Makaya: So, bf, how r u gonna dead wit the jref on your Pregnant sun tan lotion? Sry to say, patty, but me and WP think you looked a little "Flabby" in Both pictures. Im sorry to say! Lmao
Makaya - you were asked nicely not to quote long posts when you had nothing relevant to post.
You agreed to stop doing it.
Yet here you are again quoting long posts and adding your completely inane remarks.
I think it's about time that everyone put you on ignore.
Makaya - you were asked nicely not to quote long posts when you had nothing relevant to post.
You agreed to stop doing it.
Yet here you are again quoting long posts and adding your completely inane remarks.
I think it's about time that everyone put you on ignore.
Is that it? That is all it took to get ABS members from all over the country to decide to undertake organizing an expedition in search of reliable evidence of Bigfoot there? Didn't anybody raise the obvious objection that the largest land mammal in North America probably isn't hanging about the pavilion and handicapped area of a hugely popular, not at all remote McPark that is covered every week with Bigfoot enthusiasts and known to your Bigfoot searching group to be worked by Bigfoot hoaxers?
The park was chosen for its central location to the majority of the membership. We do not "hang around the pavilion" we hike into the woods. Not all that remote? Kit you need to do some research. First of all the town that the park is in is very very small. Just to get to the lodge of Salt Fork you drive 7 miles off the Hwy from the park entrance. Then to get to any of the picnic areas is many more miles. I would estimate by the time you get near any of the 3 main sighting areas in the park you are at least 15 miles from the nearest Hwy.Then we still hike further into the woods. Hoaxers? the only time the hoaxers are bad is during the conference. You can spot the hoaxes easily because they are close to the main trails. I will admit that the park is crowded with too many researchers now, but IT IS STILL VERY REMOTE. Hoaxing is something we need to worry about no matter where we go and the reason why researchers do not give away exact locations.
The park is a beautiful park, so is the lodge. It's not always about Bigfoot
Here's just some of the weekly Salt Fork footers:
So?
Seems pretty out there to me to seriously think a breeding population of massive wood apes are remaining undiscovered by science whilst tossing rocks at Bigfoot enthusiasts in regular public usage places of Salt Fork.
You really need to see the vastness if the park before you say things like that.
Have you ever considered that maybe it's not Bigfoot enthusiasts you need but rather proper therapy and counselling?
I have thought I need therapy or counseling yes. My friends are not a problem.
What is not my opinion are people who claim face to face encounters with Reptoids.
What makes John Cartwright's experience less fantastical than Barry King's?:
We can't just blow those guys off, John. There's some guy out there that will get up in front of a Ufology conference with the shakes and the wavering voice who will emotionally recount his Reptoid sighting and stun the audience with the rawness of the tale. What makes his experience less likely than yours?
Have no idea what you are talking about here with this alien stuff. I am not blowing them off, just cant comment on something I don't know.
It's quite simple. When you say there are those that know Bigfoot exists you are literally saying that categorically Bigfoot exists. If skeptics make definitive statements like that (Bigfoot doesn't exist), Bigfoot enthusiasts have a hissy fit. You can not show that you didn't experience a dream/hallucination/distorted memory and you have no reliable evidence to suggest otherwise. The fact that you didn't have such an experience again says nothing more than the fact that the conditions that created the situation were not again replicated. You weren't placed hungry, tired, and scared with a gun up in an effective isolation chamber in the dark of night again.
Skeptics DO make statement like Bigfoot does not exist, scroll up and read. It does not bother me at all if they do say it. I was not tired. Not that hungry and was not scared until the sighting. It was not pitch dark, it was DAWN. The sighting occurred in broad daylight. You are getting facts wrong now and making assumptions.
Other than to say the human mind, I have no idea. I had certainly never seen such a spider before yet there I was having sleep paralysis and vividly seeing a great big spider wrapping its many awful legs around my hand and sinking its evil fangs into the flesh between my thumb and forefinger. It's the kind of thing that when it's over and you're fully awake you just want to put it out of your head. It never happened again and doesn't make me flip out when I see a spider but I'm not in any rush to pick one up. Basically spiders are to me what bears are to Stephen Colbert.
I am not a spider fan myself.
We're done in the sense that you've made it clear you will irrationally refuse to accept any other explanation than having seen a real Bigfoot. I'm not insulting you when I say irrational but it is simply not rational to look at the circumstances of your experience and deny that it may be the very real human phenomenom of dreams/hallucinations/distorted memories.
I will listen to explanations. I am not obligated to agree.The key word above being May.
Before I tried two separate tracks with you. One where I approached it from the angle that you did not see what you think you saw because 9 x 6 ft monster apemen do not exist in the Great Dismal Swamp and the other accepting the premise fully.
So that's the only way you will allow us to proceed; to accept your sighting based on your feelings about it and drop any explanations regarding the fallibility of human perception. So let's go that way. I gave you links about who to contact for the Great Dismal Swamp. Will you take the proactive role of contacing them and discussing the things we have talked about? Remember that the other sighting you linked was not the same individual as yours but one that was taller and had a different appearance. We're talking about what would be a real species of animal and in fact the largest mammal in North America right there in North Carolina. We don't need Bigfoot enthusiasts to help us know what's really going on so are we going to do this or what? C'mon, I'll even give us a theme song...
OK
Do you think these guys have to worry about getting eaten by 9 x 6 ft monster apemen?
1935, four ligers from two litters were reared in the Zoological Gardens of Bloemfontein, South Africa. Three of them, a male and two females, were still living in 1953. The male weighed 750 lb. and stood a foot and a half taller than a full grown male lion at the shoulder.
Although ligers are more commonly found than tigons today, in At Home In The Zoo (1961), Gerald Iles wrote "For the record I must say that I have never seen a liger, a hybrid obtained by crossing a lion with a tigress. They seem to be even rarer than tigons."[2]
Why do you do this to me, little mak? Why must my large multi-quoted post be quoted in its entirety not once but actually twice literally directly below it with completely non sequitur and nonsensical commentary? How can that possibly be anything but clutter? I've lost count of asking you not to do that.
Here's the beauty of that, kitty..........for those folks who have seen a real, live Bigfoot......they don't need to SHOW, or PROVE that they've seen one in order to say that categorically Bigfoot exists.
If someone has actually seen Bigfoot....they have proof of it's existence...and it's absolutely appropriate for them to state that Bigfoot exists.....as a provenfact, for them, even though it's not a proven fact for us.
One simply considers whether the basic idea of another species of bipedal primate existing is plausible......and, is the basic idea of a guy flying around the world in one night, in a sleigh being 'driven' by magical reindeer, bringing presents to all the kids in the world plausible?
Nope, sorry, not in agreement. Yes, the basic idea of another species of bipedal primate existing is far more plausible than the concept of Santa Claus. But, that a moderate to large population of bipedal primate could exist in North America-more specifically, the lower 48 United States-for centuries without a single shred of verifiable evidence is far less plausible and defies credulity.
Why do you do this to me, little mak? Why must my large multi-quoted post be quoted in its entirety not once but actually twice literally directly below it with completely non sequitur and nonsensical commentary? How can that possibly be anything but clutter? I've lost count of asking you not to do that.
Nope, sorry, not in agreement. Yes, the basic idea of another species of bipedal primate existing is far more plausible than the concept of Santa Claus.
But, that a moderate to large population of bipedal primate could exist in North America-more specifically, the lower 48 United States-for centuries without a single shred of verifiable evidence is far less plausible and defies credulity.
The park was chosen for its central location to the majority of the membership. We do not "hang around the pavilion" we hike into the woods. Not all that remote? Kit you need to do some research. First of all the town that the park is in is very very small. Just to get to the lodge of Salt Fork you drive 7 miles off the Hwy from the park entrance. Then to get to any of the picnic areas is many more miles. I would estimate by the time you get near any of the 3 main sighting areas in the park you are at least 15 miles from the nearest Hwy.Then we still hike further into the woods. Hoaxers? the only time the hoaxers are bad is during the conference. You can spot the hoaxes easily because they are close to the main trails. I will admit that the park is crowded with too many researchers now, but IT IS STILL VERY REMOTE. Hoaxing is something we need to worry about no matter where we go and the reason why researchers do not give away exact locations.
The park is a beautiful park, so is the lodge. It's not always about Bigfoot
I guess the need for a central location for the ABS members to get together and squatch ended up hindering the groups purpose of obtaining reliable evidence and researching Bigfoot. I know that if I had a group called the American Bigfoot Society and wanted to produce evidence of Bigfoot that might have any chance of being taken seriously, I would not take my group to a heavily visited and managed recreational park that is constantly inhabited by Bigfoot enthusiasts, including those from rival associations that seek to discredit each other, as well as being the target of known Bigfoot evidence hoaxes. Hey, look! I got this footprint from the park with the hoaxers in it. Let's make a report about it. Who's with me?
I know that you guys during your expedition at Salt Fork didn't just hang around the pavilion but I also know that when members of the group smelt what they thought to be a possible Bigfoot, you were very close to the pavilion. The point being for critical thinking, you see, is that if it was in fact Bigfoot then OMG, holy crap, there's a massive wood ape that is in very close proximity to a large number of people in a part of the park with heavy public usage. Yet for some reason this animal which would be one of the largest mammals in North America that is prone to screaming, howling, emitting horrible smells, smacking tries with great big sticks, tossing great big rocks at people, and approaching dangerously close to armed humans has never been discovered by science. Even worse, park officials are apparently helpless in addressing this major hiccup with their recreational park. Yes, come; waterboard, horseback ride, play golf, and the one that the kids love - dodge Bigfoot missiles and infrasound waves.
Does this video not show at about 2:10 Don Keating right by the pavilion?:
John, don't take this the wrong way but by your own description above, you have a very poor and limited concept of what the word "remote" means. This is not unexpected from a person that hasn't been in the woods for 26 years since he thought he saw a Bigfoot which was his first time in the woods. You tell me I need to do some research but see, the thing is that I make it my business to research what it is that I'm saying. I think you need to look at this video of Salt Fork again:
It's a brave new wave, you know, and it's a very simple matter for me to slap up a Google map of Salt Fork to be abe to see in hyper-detail the place that we are talking about:
I think by looking at the Google map and the map provided by the park's website I can see where the handicapped area and the pavilion is. Can you confirm where it is? It should be listed here under the wheelchair access listing:
Calling that area as remote is like some kind of joke. Let me show you what remote is, John. Come check out Strathcona Provincial Park here on Vancouver Island:
Try farting around with the zoom with that for a while. See, your neat little McPark there in Ohio with the golf course and the resort lodge is 70 km². The land Salt Fork is on was purchased in 1960 for recreational purposes and construction of recreational facilities began in 1968. It is a place deisgned for the use of humans at play and leisure. Now compare that with the the Strath's 2,458.07 km². You can fit thirty-five - that's 35 - of those Salt Fork McParks in the Strath. Check out some images from the park...
See, dude, that is what remote looks like. Any self respecting Bigfoot that had any chance of succesfully avoiding being discovered by mankind would be hanging out there and not picking through the trash like a hobo and dicking around with sticks in the woods freaking out guys like these:
If they discourage you from seeking other explanations from your sightings then no matter how well your good friends mean, they are being part of the problem. You owe it to yourself to at least try giving professional help a try. I don't think your therapist would ever tell you not to go into the woods with your friends but they would certainly try and help you re-examine your own perceptions and experiences for the better.
But don't you see the point I am making? You are not unique is what I am showing you. And I don't mean that in terms of Bigfoot. What my point is is that people see and experience all sorts of messed up things and it doesn't mean they are crazy whether it comes in the form of a reptoid, demon, 9 x 6 ft monster apeman or whatever. You can comment on it and to not try and see if you can connect what they have experienced from what you experienced is like giving up before you've even started to address your own demons.
Skeptics DO make statement like Bigfoot does not exist, scroll up and read. It does not bother me at all if they do say it. I was not tired. Not that hungry and was not scared until the sighting. It was not pitch dark, it was DAWN. The sighting occurred in broad daylight. You are getting facts wrong now and making assumptions.
Who stated categorically that Bigfoot doesn't exist? I did as a hypothetical but I made it clear I was doing that. I don't think I'm making assumptions here. You said that it was dark when you got into the stand and you were in an enclosed area. it would have been very easy to start to doze off. You said that you were scared to be in the woods and you were left totally alone with a gun. Nevertheless, you had at the most six hours sleep before you got into the stand and were there for hours. Your own report says you were feeling very groggy right before the sighting. That is exactly how I've felt when having sleep paralysis. I also didn't have to be in any high state of stress when it has happened.
No. I understand the difference quite clearly, thanks. But, since you insist, please show me the verified evidence that supports the plausibility of the many and varied anecdotes of BF's existence.
You said that a jolly red man in a suit, flying around the world in a sleight isn't plausible. You're right-but that's just details, man. For that matter, we've seen details, on this forum, of Bigfoot being an invisible creature who morphs between dimensions, creeps into people's homes so he can steal screwdrivers and eat beans from a can, practically visits Bulletmaker on a daily basis, and, in Europe, has extrasensory communication with a Swedish mental case.
In fact, while you are at it, never mind the anecdotes-please just show me the verified evidence of the existence of Bigfoot. I'll wait.
I guess the need for a central location for the ABS members to get together and squatch ended up hindering the groups purpose of obtaining reliable evidence and researching Bigfoot. I know that if I had a group called the American Bigfoot Society and wanted to produce evidence of Bigfoot that might have any chance of being taken seriously, I would not take my group to a heavily visited and managed recreational park that is constantly inhabited by Bigfoot enthusiasts, including those from rival associations that seek to discredit each other, as well as being the target of known Bigfoot evidence hoaxes. Hey, look! I got this footprint from the park with the hoaxers in it. Let's make a report about it. Who's with me?
Rival association? LOL! Yeah, we do water balloon fights and panty raids during our park sleepovers.....jeez.
Everywhere we research is a known target for Bigfoot hoaxers.
The supposed print was found in a deep ravine at least a half mile from any known trail. No report will be done on it if it turns out to be from a known animal or a hoax.
I know that you guys during your expedition at Salt Fork didn't just hang around the pavilion but I also know that when members of the group smelt what they thought to be a possible Bigfoot, you were very close to the pavilion. The point being for critical thinking, you see, is that if it was in fact Bigfoot then OMG, holy crap, there's a massive wood ape that is in very close proximity to a large number of people in a part of the park with heavy public usage. Yet for some reason this animal which would be one of the largest mammals in North America that is prone to screaming, howling, emitting horrible smells, smacking tries with great big sticks, tossing great big rocks at people, and approaching dangerously close to armed humans has never been discovered by science. Even worse, park officials are apparently helpless in addressing this major hiccup with their recreational park. Yes, come; waterboard, horseback ride, play golf, and the one that the kids love - dodge Bigfoot missiles and infrasound waves.
This is nothing but a weak attempt by you to discredit the ABS, but I will play along. The park is closed to the general public at dark. Yes there are
Bigfoot researchers running around sometimes, but the Park Rangers will chase you back to the lodge or out of the park if you act stupid or they don't know you. You are acting like Salt Fork is our club house. THe ABS has had ONE outing. We are a brand new Organization. We have another outing planned this summer and it's not at Salt Fork.
Does this video not show at about 2:10 Don Keating right by the pavilion?:
No, that is a different picnic area, not the handicapped one. But that area shown has had encounters.
John, don't take this the wrong way but by your own description above, you have a very poor and limited concept of what the word "remote" means. This is not unexpected from a person that hasn't been in the woods for 26 years since he thought he saw a Bigfoot which was his first time in the woods. You tell me I need to do some research but see, the thing is that I make it my business to research what it is that I'm saying. I think you need to look at this video of Salt Fork again:
Of course its not the PNW or Vancouver Island, but VERY few places are! You are trying to paint a picture of Salt Fork not being a remote wilderness and it is.
Calling that area as remote is like some kind of joke. Let me show you what remote is, John.
See above answer.
Trust me, if there are sasquatches in this world, they are not in Salt Fork. What we do know is running around there are footers and hoaxers.
You love trolling you tube for silly video.
So? So I showed you that every week there are people poking around Salt Fork looking for Bigfoot. They've got nothing.
Uhmm.. news flash. No one has anything yet. You are redundant.
Hopefully you have some new perspective on what constitutes vast.
I know what constitutes vast. I have seen it and experienced it.
If they discourage you from seeking other explanations from your sightings then no matter how well your good friends mean, they are being part of the problem.
They don't discourage me from anything.
You owe it to yourself to at least try giving professional help a try. I don't think your therapist would ever tell you not to go into the woods with your friends but they would certainly try and help you re-examine your own perceptions and experiences for the better.
Duh
But don't you see the point I am making? You are not unique is what I am showing you. And I don't mean that in terms of Bigfoot. What my point is is that people see and experience all sorts of messed up things and it doesn't mean they are crazy whether it comes in the form of a reptoid, demon, 9 x 6 ft monster apeman or whatever. You can comment on it and to not try and see if you can connect what they have experienced from what you experienced is like giving up before you've even started to address your own demons.
I never made claims to be unique. I am addressing my demons.
Who stated categorically that Bigfoot doesn't exist? I did as a hypothetical but I made it clear I was doing that. I don't think I'm making assumptions here. You said that it was dark when you got into the stand and you were in an enclosed area. it would have been very easy to start to doze off. You said that you were scared to be in the woods and you were left totally alone with a gun. Nevertheless, you had at the most six hours sleep before you got into the stand and were there for hours. Your own report says you were feeling very groggy right before the sighting. That is exactly how I've felt when having sleep paralysis. I also didn't have to be in any high state of stress when it has happened.
Please do this for yourself. I really want to see you be able to have some freedom back in your life.
In a nearby county right now there have been two reports of a lion--not a puma, cougar, panther, or bobcat, but an African lion--wandering around near a highway. One witness insists that he saw it and it weighs "four or five hundred pounds." There are no reports of anyone's having lost a lion. I'll try to keep tabs on the story and see if anyone ever turns up a real lion--or if any alternate explanation comes along.
I think it's just too easy to mistake something else for a lion--or a bigfoot--for eyewitness accounts to have much weight.
In a nearby county right now there have been two reports of a lion--not a puma, cougar, panther, or bobcat, but an African lion--wandering around near a highway. One witness insists that he saw it and it weighs "four or five hundred pounds." There are no reports of anyone's having lost a lion. I'll try to keep tabs on the story and see if anyone ever turns up a real lion--or if any alternate explanation comes along.
I think it's just too easy to mistake something else for a lion--or a bigfoot--for eyewitness accounts to have much weight.
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