Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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The world I live in has millions and millions of ignorant people who walk around in a daze daily. Over medicated, fueled by alcohol, etc. We live around thousands and thousands of people in small towns, large cities, suburbs, rural areas...... The average person gets in their car and drives down the road while holding a cup of coffee in one hand, a cell phone in the other (while steering their vehicle with their legs) and they still manage to make it to work w/o running over a pedesterian.

Based on the idea of proving that a Bigfoot doesn't exist because we have not found their corpses lieing beside the road is silly.
 
Washington Verifies Road-Killed Canine as Wolf




Wisconsin DNR News & Outdoor Report of May 28, 2003




These are just samples. There are many other citations of road-killed wolves.

Correct, and the wolf population has exploded to a point that hunting seasons are being implemented to thin the herd. Now, check the statistics of road killed wolves from 20 years ago. Much, much fewer. To attempt to use road kill as a means to say whether a species of animal exists or not is absolutely foolish. We will see fewer road kills when the wolf population is smaller. More road kill when the population is greater. Statistically, wolves would be considered as a "thriving" population right now yet you had to site a source from 3 years ago to validate my point for me.

Also, based on most peoples reasoning, they would take the article about this wolf and unanimously confirm that the canine found beside the road was only a chubby overfed house dog because the genetic tests themselves are hard to truly determine the difference between wolves and dogs. Further, if a test acknowledges that the difference between wolves/dogs is only less than two percent, the test isn't reliable, etc. blah, blah, blah. When one person says it is a wolf, the naysayers will say that the science isn't there, the tests were inconclusive or the entire thing was a hoax because of financial reasons to bring in tourism or whatever.

I know/realize that this study shows beyond a doubt (in my mind anyway) that the canine found dead beside the road was a wolf. However; many on the poster's logic and reason on this site should lead them to doubt the results. If not, they are being inconsistent with their opinions/logic.
 
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Many times, (especially when someone is trying to get their point across at any cost) people refuse to acknowledge the obvious or use common sense when it goes against their point of view on the subject.

Regardless of my investigative skills, (or lack there of) anyone who has 1/3 of a brain would have to agree that there are probably more human beings living in America than there are Sasquatch. So, with this obvious fact being stated, I must now pose this question to you: How many dead "roadkilled" human beings do you see laying along the ditchlines when driving down the road?

How many "roadkilled" black bears do you see laying in the ditchline?

This question is simply comparing "apples to apples." If a person is willing to say that Sasquatch does not exist because we haven't found one's corpse piled up dead from an automobile hitting it, we have to look at other "known" species of animals in order to make this theory hold weight.

Being an investigator often requires a person to simply take there personal feelings and emotions out of the equation and look at the simple, common sense truth.

If I am to conclude that there should be road killed sasquatch laying along side the road then I must acknowledge that from a simple mathmatical standpoint we should be seeing many, many more road killed black bears, elk, moose, and humans laying along side the road. (This cannot be denied simply due to the sheer population numbers of these things compared to the population number of a Sasquatch or any animal that would be on an endangered species list.)

How many wolves do you hear of being found dead laying in a ditchline? I have not heard of any. Does this mean that they do not exist? (I am not a fool. I realize that wolves are real.)

Take Bigfoot out of the equation here and plug in any species of animal that is few in number throughout North America. The argument becomes elementary.

You keep using the term "common sense" while trying to make a point; you shouldn't because it doesn't quite mean what you think it means. As for road-killed black bear, I've seen one. And I think if you did the research you'd find road kill examples for wolves, elk, moose, the rare Florida Panther, etc. Just because you refuse to acknowledge them isn't my problem.
 
George, you're not thinking critically at all. We have no Bigfoot bodies that were killed or died by any possible means. Road-killed is only one of many possibilities.

We see this constantly with Bigfoot believers. It's actually the reverse of "open-mindedness". It is a failure to think critically and a failure to imagine. Try to imagine the logical premises and conclusions of not having a Bigfoot body or body part in over 400 years in North America. Having somebody(s) tell you that they saw or heard one becomes meaningless when placed into the context of the bigger picture.
 
Based on the idea of proving that a Bigfoot doesn't exist because we have not found their corpses lieing beside the road is silly.

We haven't found their corpses anywhere. Nor their bones, their scat, their hair, any evidence other than anecdote.
 
To attempt to use road kill as a means to say whether a species of animal exists or not is absolutely foolish.


If we only ever had one single road-killed wolf in the entire history of North America it could be used to establish the existence of the wolf as a genuine species of animal.
 
You keep using the term "common sense" while trying to make a point; you shouldn't because it doesn't quite mean what you think it means. As for road-killed black bear, I've seen one. And I think if you did the research you'd find road kill examples for wolves, elk, moose, the rare Florida Panther, etc. Just because you refuse to acknowledge them isn't my problem.

Again, use some common sense. How many black bear are there in North America? How many moose? Elk? In souther WV alone we have an estimated bear population of 12,000 yet I have never seen a black bear road kill. I realize they do happen But you cannot (with a sane mind) discount this fact.

To attempt to skew facts to support an argument does not hold water. When someone makes the statement that we should be finding a bigfoot corpse laying dead along side the road has no merit. None. This has nothing to do with Bigfoot and everything to do with the other species of animals I have listed.

Lets just say that for every "X" animal, there are 10000 "Y" animals living in the woods. If I have never came across a road killed "Y" animal, and statistacally this rarely happens to animal "Y", then why should animal "X" be laying dead everywhere? Clarify this for me.

I realize panthers, elk, moose, bear, etc. have been ran over by vehicles in the past. There has been accounts of "near misses" of bears etc. If a friend told you that he "almost" hit a cougar with his car in an area where cougar were not supposed to inhabit, would you believe him or call him/her a liar? I would atleast give the idea some thought rather than attack his/her credibility. (Depending on the source.) Now, the same person comes to you and says, "Man, you are gonna think I am crazy but I nearly hit a Sasquatch last night with my vehicle." How do you react?

Same person, same scenario. Neither animal is supposed to exist in that area. The DNR will say that cougars do not exist in that area. The DNR will say that Bigfoot doesn't exist anywhere. Do you believe the first scenario and discount the second? Do you discount both? Do you think your friend in insane because he/she has said something that you refuse to believe?

Most people would be absolutely willing to believe the first scenario w/o question yet attack that same person's credibility if presented with the second scenario.
 
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Lets just say that for every "X" animal, there are 10000 "Y" animals living in the woods. If I have never came across a road killed "Y" animal, and statistacally this rarely happens to animal "Y", then why should animal "X" be laying dead everywhere? Clarify this for me.

You should find it somewhere.
 
Oh my.

George, you might read William Parcher's comments again about roadkill just being one form of mortality that could produce physical remains that would warrant scientific description of bigfoot.

Even if species like moose and elk were rarely reported as roadkills, such species are collected by the hundreds (thousands?) every year by hunters. (BTW, you might ask some Maine-iacs if folks ever hit moose on their highways.) You're from West Virginia, right? You'd probably agree that there are no wild wolves running around WV today, but there were 200 years ago. What happened to them?

Finally, I've encountered road-killed black bear at least twice on Rt. 80 in Pennsylvania, and on a stretch of that road I only travel about once a year. I'd wager that truckers see more of them.
 
George, you're not thinking critically at all. We have no Bigfoot bodies that were killed or died by any possible means. Road-killed is only one of many possibilities.

We see this constantly with Bigfoot believers. It's actually the reverse of "open-mindedness". It is a failure to think critically and a failure to imagine. Try to imagine the logical premises and conclusions of not having a Bigfoot body or body part in over 400 years in North America. Having somebody(s) tell you that they saw or heard one becomes meaningless when placed into the context of the bigger picture.

I agree. Your "line of thinking" is logical. (In my opinion.) Until a specimen is recovered, the thought of an unknown large primate yet to be discovered is almost uncomprehendable. That is the sole bases for my agreeing. Until physical evidence matches the eyewitness accounts etc. the myth will continue to be just that, a myth. However, I cannot/will not ever concede the road kill arguments, etc. holds water. If you analyze the situation and not the subject, it would not even be a debate.

This has nothing to do with Bigfoot or whatever. I simply go back to one of my prior points that I made earlier. A DNR report from 2008 concluded that a grey wolf had been killed by a vehicle. The conclusions were based on DNA tests which determined that the corpse was a wolf. The article went on to state that determining the difference between a wolf and a dog was (in my words) very hard. Nearly exact DNA matches. Based on the belief system put forth by many of the posters on this sight who claim to be informed, I could immediately conclude that the animal was only a large grey house dog that simply looked like a wolf. I could even say that the DNA tests confirm it and the people reporting the incident only wanted to "believe" that it was a wolf.

In court, I do not deal with what if's, in my opinion, etc. For every opinion, I can find someone with as many PHD's who has the exact opposite opinion.

To argue that a Bigfoot should be laying dead in a ditch does not mathematically add up. To say that it does, well, doesn't.

Would I testify before a jury that I believed that Sasquatch existed beyond a shadow of a doubt. No.

If I were asked to give my opinion based on all of the "circumstantial evidence," I would have to say, "maybe."

Most of the arguments presented to refute the creatures existence could be easily argued against. I honestly believe that the Bigfoot/Sasquatch mystery is still an open case.

I think that the modern technology used by average people, (Fleer, night vision, high-tech trail cams. etc.) should solve this mystery in the near future. Remember, the use of internet by the average person has only exploded in the past few years. Night vision and things like that could not be purchased by the average person due to the extreme expense only until recently. (The past few years too.)

If someone, somewhere cannot produce concrete evidence within the next few years, I will be among the ranks who says, "Nah, if one of those Bigfeet were real, we would find one layin dead in a ditch somewhere by now."
 
Sillier than the idea that a Bigfoot's vocalizations shook a house ?

My wife told me that night (I woke her up to tell her what I had heard)

And it didn't wake his wife up...

Patroni's report says these loud vocalizations, that shook his house, (but let his wife sleep), came from no closer than 150 yards away.

Sasquatch must have been holding on to a GE90 to make noises that loud...
 
“We have picked up hundreds of deer out there and bear, too, and have for years,” Barr said afterward.

http://www.register-herald.com/loca...ke-paving-contract-targets-Beckley-area/print

Missin the point. We have over 1,000,000 deer in WV. Over 3,5 million in PA.

If we find 100 road killed deer per month in WV alone, that is an almost immeasurable amount when compared to the deer population for that given area.
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All I am trying to say is this: If we have millions and millions and millions of deer and only a small amount of deer laying along the roadways (when comparing the dead/living ratio) then why should a very small living herd of anything's dead be found laying dead along the roadway? This doesn't add up.

Try as you might, a defense attorney would embarrass you if your case was riding on this type of analysis.

Is it impossible that a species of animal with very limited numbers be killed during an automobile vs. animal collision? No. However; it is highly unlikely, and mathematically improbable. Regardless of the species of animal you are talking about. (Unless the animal makes the ditchline it's home.)
 
And it didn't wake his wife up...

Patroni's report says these loud vocalizations, that shook his house, (but let his wife sleep), came from no closer than 150 yards away.

Sasquatch must have been holding on to a GE90 to make noises that loud...

I actually didn't go into detail about why my wife was sleeping so hard but she had just gotten back the day prior from an extended stay in the hospital. She had developed kidney stones and during the laser surgery her kidney had been accidentally punctured. She had became septic. When I finally got her home I was allowing her to rest. Actually, I woke her up at three that morning, (I was preparing to pack up my family and leave because this spooked me so bad) immediately my wife could detect that something was wrong. When I told her what I had heard she acknowledged that she had heard the similiar sounds the day prior when she had gotten home from the hospital. According to my wife, the sounds were coming from a much further distance away, so the "shock and aw" effect was greatly decreased. My wife went on to tell me that "whatever the thing was, it kept striking wood together."

Apparently my son (6 years old) had heard the thing making sounds too and he called it an "alien." (No, I don't believe in aliens.) My son became scared of it's screams and would not stay outside and play. (My wife had failed to tell me any of this prior to my incident.) I assume it was because she was extremely sick, weak, and tired.

Also, to say that he vocalizations "shook my house" was used as an analogy by me. The best way I can describe the power of the vocalization would be comparing the howl to standing near Bristol Motor Speedway during qualifying, or whenever it thunders prior to a rain storm.

I am not exactly sure what a GE90 is, but the sound I heard was horrifyingly loud/powerful. The volume was comparable to loud speakers and a amplifier.

I actually live in a log house with very thick walls. We also use a small fan for constant noise to help us sleep. (I was use to the noises of Charleston, WV. When I moved into the country the silence was deafening. I couldn't sleep w/o some type of noise.) All of the above reasons (mostly my wife's illness) is probably why she did not wake up during the incident.

I currently live in the middle on "nowhere" and the area these sounds came from was completely unhabitated. No homes, no business, only mountains and woods for miles.

I realize that the story sounds far fetched, but prior to this incident happening to me, I looked at Bigfoot as total hogwash.
 
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